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Are Muslims safe in Europe?

On hindsight it's the legacy of successive European left leaning loonies, their open door policies for any third world extremists to enter and run riot over the local populace, They created ethnic ghetto's for their political survival, Created minority block vote bases, Didn't really care who voted for them
Other than France (and being a colonial power in North Africa - so is it that strange that there are large number of French speaking North African immigrants???) this minority block vote base does not exist as far as muslims are concerned.

Muslims in London are relevant in a few constituencies but in terms of the overall voting landscape they are insignificant and hold ZERO sway. Millions of Turks in Germany, but how many Turkish origin politician and how much pandering is done there?

If this were India - you might have a point, where the muslim vote is a major factor in many states...but in Europe, politically Muslims are an afterthought...which is precisely why it is so easy for politicians to demonize them...you don't have to worry about upsetting a crucial 'minority block vote base'.

It's why in Australia a c*nt like Pauline Hanson keeps getting rewarded for what she says and the same goes for some of the talk radio douchebags.

The same across the Atlantic in the US...Muslims are politically irrelevant along with muslim advocacy groups like CAIR, particularly when you compare it to something like AIPAC.
 
You do realize we have literally hundreds of communities and religions thriving and prospering in America.

Nobody said America is perfect, we do have our shortcomings (especially with our African-American community)---but it is still much better than ethno-centric, close-minded Europe where you guys can't have a heart to see minarets or burkinis FFS.

United States is to Europe---what iPhone is to non-smart phones.

Both are phones in the end of the day---but one is just out of the world compared to the other. Same goes we United States and Europe :D
I've lived there for a decade of so. I've relatives on both coasts. You don't have to tell me about it.
How long and where have you lived in Europe?

http://www.novinite.com/articles/123312/Netherlands'+Largest+Mosque+Opens+Doors+in+Rotterdam
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The Essalam mosque: offers space for 1500, took seven years, cost EUR 4 M
Built in a traditional style with 50-meter minarets.
Biggest Islamic house of prayer in the Netherlands and one of the biggest in Western Europe.

Mevlana Moskee (Rotterdam)
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http://www.mevlanamoskee.nl/nl/Default.aspx

The Mosque of West Amsterdam
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http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...12/mosque-west-amsterdam-151201183556035.html

Mosque Amsterdam Zuidoost Bijlmer
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El Ouma Mosque in Amsterdam - Netherlands
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http://www.beautifulmosque.com/El-Ouma-Mosque-in-Amsterdam-Netherlands

Ulu Mosque and its surroundings in Utrecht
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More beautiful mosques in the Netherlands here:
http://www.beautifulmosque.com/?SearchText=1,netherlands

Or see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_the_Netherlands
Or just google: Mosque + Netherlands

As well as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_Europe

Meanwhile...

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Related to topic (since someone brought up the burkini issue) and of interest:

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Moroccan pools prohibit burkini

28 augustus 2014
A number of Moroccan hotels have decided to ban the burkini in their pools. The management of Hotel Ibis in El Jadida had a few weeks ago caused a stir by prohibiting access to the pool to a customer with a burkini.
Especially in tourist areas the decision of Ibis is welcomed. The burkini, which covers the whole body and therefore the ability to give Muslim women to swim is considered by the hotels as "unhygienic".
In Marrakech some hotels have signs posted prohibiting women to swim with a burkini. Also in the very select Mazagan Beach Resort in El Jadida the pool access is denied to women with burkini. It is permitted to swim with a classic swimsuit or bikini.
Officially to religion nothing to do with the decision and only involve hygiene. That said a spokesman for Mazagan Beach Resort Al Arabiya. Other sources report that Moroccan hotels fear that women in burkini deters European tourists.
The ban on burkini's imposed by Ibis in El Jadida, a few weeks ago, had many disgruntled reactions caused in Morocco. The known agitator of the Islamist PJD party in power, Abdelaziz Aftati , almost immediately wrote an indignant letter to Minister Lahcen Haddad of Tourism.
For Aftati the decision an "unacceptable interference in the freedom of the people and their faith." The decision comes in his view of a "radically secular society" which "citizens still treats on grounds of racial and religious motives". The decision Ibis is a "neo-colonial rudeness."
Translated from source: http://www.bladna.nl/marokkaanse-zwembaden-burkini,08936.html

Sure, there is this one Dutch guy's opinion:

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... However, since the Dutch do allow nude and topless recreation, I don't see why they shouldn't also allow the opposite i.e. partially or fully clothed recreation (what harm is there in that?). What does matter in the Netherlands: is it VOLUNTARY (individual choice, free will) and not socially coerced (which applies to public nudity too, by the way ;-). That is also how we view religiousness: you can believe what you want to believe. You > individual. Want to > choice.

"Burkini for men"
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Meanwhile, in China:
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2016/...ct-guests-from-muslim-majority-countries.html
 
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How so? Ever been here :D

Have you EVER heard Americans trying to ban Hijab, or halal food, or bukinis? ...

Considering you can probably wear a big "Barney the Dinosaur" outfit at the beach the burkini is pretty minor.
 
Apparently Ku Klux Klan dresses are looked upon the same way in the US...

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-kkk-supporters/

"Racism and hate has no place in civilized society and those who hide under a hood, behind a mask, or under a sheet are nothing short of cowardice."

Muslims want it to be obvious that they are Muslims when they are in public places,.
The French wants religion to be a private matter.

Why should Muslims be allowed to impose their religion on others by making sure they stand out
from other groups. It is no longer a private decision, it is part of a political campaign.

Minarets serve two functions.
1. To make people aware that it is time for prayer
2. To make people feel they live in a Muslim community.

(1) can be handled by an app.
(2) is not desirable for other citizens

Ergo: Minarets are not needed in a secular society.
 
Well...America doesn't really have a national culture to integrate to.
Really? If so, how come 'the rest of the world' is so concerned with Americanization i.e. the influence American culture has on the culture of other countries, such as their popular culture, media, cuisine, technology, business practices, or political techniques? Within the United States, the term Americanization refers to the process of acculturation by immigrants or annexed populations (e.g. the Californios) to American customs and values. If, as you say, there are no American customs and values i.e. no national culture to integrate to then there is also nothing culturally for the US to export or to copy for other countries.
 
@AUz Irrespective of Trump the fact is USA is a global state. Meaning it has global outlook and global interests. It will and cannot turn insular therefore despite it's flaws in principle it is bulwark against any far right movements. It is not a coincidence that UK and US were the two pillars of the alliance that purged Europe of Nazism or else you do know what world we would have had. It is not accidental that US has had a black President. Or London has had a Pakistani Mayor. Or that the one of Tory MPs who is touted as possible future Prime Minister is Brit-Pak - Sajid Javid.

Finally in UK there is almost 1,000 years of evolution of rule of law. From Magna Carta onwards. I can't ever imagine 1,000s of evolution would be turned upside down. This country has spilled too much blood to retain it's traditions. However I do worry about Germany, Polish, Eastern Europe and Italy. They have history and we all know about it.

Of course to be fair - the Cardinal here is oright as well. The Swedes are also decent people. @A.P. Richelieu

And the Norweigians despite Anders Breivik are okay too. This is Hadia Tajik of Pakistani descent. A minister in Norway.

Mashallah :smitten:
@waz

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Two wrongs dont make a right

No team Europe is way more tolerant of Muslims than Team Murica
So many European countries elect Muslim or Muslim country origin folks in US they still run conspiracy theories about Obama being a closet Muslim and part of the Muslim agenda
 
I can't speak for Europe, but I can vouch for England. I'm certainly safer here then I would ever be in Pakistan. England has offered my family the opportunity to improve and better our lives that wouldn't be possible back in Pakistan. English people despite what's said of them are tolerant, decent folk, the problem that arises is that many are naively ignorant about many different things and this plays a massive hand into 'far-right' organisations.

Pakistanis and English folk are quite insular by nature and that's a recipe for problems. More needs to be done to help in the integration of communities. Churches and mosque are a decent way to promote that and already do, but I feel so much more could be achieved by just regular meeting by members of the community.

I've lived around 'Upper and Middle Class' English folks and can say I've never encountered racism or been belittled because of my skin colour or religion. The problem truly lies in the 'working class' communities were people live seperate lives. I always used to naively think people are either decent or bunch of idiots, but having worked with and in working class communities Ive come to realise many are just misinformed and ignorant.

Just to illustrate a point, one of the nicest person I've ever had the benefit of working with was a working class English girl. Such is her character that if I was to ever give her my house keys and go away for a year, I know I could trust her and everything would be in place on my return. So you can imagine to my amazement when she asked, 'If marrying a white girl who has converted was against my religion?'. This is just one of many odd questions that I've been asked and it's only by being with working class English people that I've learned this. In my daily life I make a massive effort to help bridge whatever culture divide that may be between us.

Pakistanis in England should make it incumbent on themselves to integrate and befriend English folks. You'll thank me for it later, yes you'll encounter a small minority of idiots but the vast majority are great.
 
Really? If so, how come 'the rest of the world' is so concerned with Americanization i.e. the influence American culture has on the culture of other countries, such as their popular culture, media, cuisine, technology, business practices, or political techniques? Within the United States, the term Americanization refers to the process of acculturation by immigrants or annexed populations (e.g. the Californios) to American customs and values. If, as you say, there are no American customs and values i.e. no national culture to integrate to then there is also nothing culturally for the US to export or to copy for other countries.

Americanzation=Freedom from the norms....America encourages personal freedom...and everything that people see are not American but results of(a lot of the times) a handful of people's exercising those freedom....America doesn't have a cuisine...it never had one...their food largely depends on the cultural background they come from...technology is not a cultural thing....even if you consider it as some kind of cultural thing it is the Japanese who influence it the most.
Whatever young people do in their country if it goes against their own culture they call it Americanization...nobody can pinpoint to what specifically American culture is.

Apparently Ku Klux Klan dresses are looked upon the same way in the US...

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-kkk-supporters/

"Racism and hate has no place in civilized society and those who hide under a hood, behind a mask, or under a sheet are nothing short of cowardice."

Muslims want it to be obvious that they are Muslims when they are in public places,.
The French wants religion to be a private matter.

Why should Muslims be allowed to impose their religion on others by making sure they stand out
from other groups. It is no longer a private decision, it is part of a political campaign.

Minarets serve two functions.
1. To make people aware that it is time for prayer
2. To make people feel they live in a Muslim community.

(1) can be handled by an app.
(2) is not desirable for other citizens

Ergo: Minarets are not needed in a secular society.
Yes but the difference between you and the US is we would never dream of banning the KKK or its sheets anywhere. You are free to wear it to the beach...you are free to scream WHITEPOWER infront of a beach full of African-Americans...and if any of them hurts you we will prosecute him not you.
Do not compare the French to the US. The French are a disgrace to secular ideals.
 
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The Mosque of West Amsterdam
This mosque is aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Blends in the background and provides fantastic setting. A good example of public architecture.

And just like that mosque physically manages to blend into and aggregates the background, so should Muslims living in West blend in. There are two sides of a coin.Society must give them space but they must also accomodate. That is the only way for the future. It took nearly century of warfare and immense loss of blood for the warring states of Europe to find peace with each other.

In much the same way Europe and the Muslim Meditearnean littoral have to find common ground. This mosque in a sense points the way forward.
 
Americanzation=Freedom from the norms....
In case you hadn't noticed, the US is a very religious country.

Percentage of state populations that identify with a religion rather than "no religion", 2001
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Religion in the United States (2014 survey - Pew Forum)
AFFILIATED
Protestant (46.5%)
Catholic (20.8%)
Judaism (1.9%)
Other religions (1.8%)
Other Christian (1.7%)
Mormon (1.6%)
Islam (0.9%)
Hinduism (0.7%)
Buddhism (0.7%)
SUBTOTAL (76.6%)
Unaffiliated (22.8%)
Not stated (0.6%)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

77% Affiliated with a religion, 69% Christian affillated. Moreover, "Unaffiliated" does not necessarily mean "non-religious". Some people who are unaffiliated with any particular religion express religious beliefs (such as belief in one or more gods or in reincarnation) and engage in religious practices (such as prayer).

So, what 'freedom from norms'?

(Besides, I think your point should be about VALUES rather than NORMS. Values relate to the norms of a culture, but are more global and abstract than norms. Norms provide rules for behavior in specific situations, while values identify what should be judged as good or evil. While norms are standards, patterns, rules and guides of expected behavior, values are abstract concepts of what is important and worthwhile. Flying the national flag on a holiday is a norm, but it reflects the value of patriotism.)

America encourages personal freedom...and everything that people see are not American but results of(a lot of the times) a handful of people's exercising those freedom....

From early colonial days, when some English and German settlers came in search of religious freedom, America has been profoundly influenced by religion. That influence continues in American culture, social life, and politics. The text of the First Amendment to the country's Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion while also preventing the government from establishing a state religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

America doesn't have a cuisine...it never had one...their food largely depends on the cultural background they come from...technology is not a cultural thing....even if you consider it as some kind of cultural thing it is the Japanese who influence it the most.
You are reacting to the sentence "the influence American culture has on the culture of other countries, such as their popular culture, media, cuisine, technology, business practices, or political techniques." If you read this properly, it says that that the other countries have cultures, of which popular culture, media, cuisine, technology, business practices, or political techniques are expressions, and these expressions are influenced by American culture. It doesn't say anything about what American culture does or does not have in terms of cultural expressions.

A cuisine is a specific set of cooking traditions and practices, often associated with a specific culture or region. Each cuisine involves food preparation in a particular style, of food and drink of particular types, to produce individually consumed items or distinct meals. A cuisine is frequently named after the region or place where it originated. A cuisine is primarily influenced by the ingredients that are available locally or through trade. Religious food laws can also exercise a strong influence on such culinary practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cuisines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cuisines_of_the_Americas#North_American_cuisine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_regional_and_fusion_cuisines

Whatever young people do in their country if it goes against their own culture they call it Americanization...nobody can pinpoint to what specifically American culture is.
Who is THEY here? Those young people outside the US? Their parents or adults in that country? Or the US?
Perhaps nobody dan pinpoint what specifically American culture is, but US entertainment (movies, tv-series, music) permeates nearly all countries, as do US brands (Coca Cola, IBM, Microsoft, Ford) and the US pencheant for fast food (McDonalds, KFC, Domino's, Burger King, Pizza Hut).

Starbucks today operates 23,768 locations worldwide, including 13,107 (+170) in the United States, 2,204 (+86) in China, 1,418 (-12) in Canada, 1,160 (+2) in Japan and 872 in South Korea (Differences reflect growth since Jan 8, 2016). As of June 9, 2016, Starbucks is present in 72 countries and territories
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Mocca Frappucino anyone?:coffee:
 
In case you hadn't noticed, the US is a very religious country.

Percentage of state populations that identify with a religion rather than "no religion", 2001
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Religion in the United States (2014 survey - Pew Forum)
AFFILIATED
Protestant (46.5%)
Catholic (20.8%)
Judaism (1.9%)
Other religions (1.8%)
Other Christian (1.7%)
Mormon (1.6%)
Islam (0.9%)
Hinduism (0.7%)
Buddhism (0.7%)
SUBTOTAL (76.6%)
Unaffiliated (22.8%)
Not stated (0.6%)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

77% Affiliated with a religion, 69% Christian affillated. Moreover, "Unaffiliated" does not necessarily mean "non-religious". Some people who are unaffiliated with any particular religion express religious beliefs (such as belief in one or more gods or in reincarnation) and engage in religious practices (such as prayer).

So, what 'freedom from norms'?

(Besides, I think your point should be about VALUES rather than NORMS. Values relate to the norms of a culture, but are more global and abstract than norms. Norms provide rules for behavior in specific situations, while values identify what should be judged as good or evil. While norms are standards, patterns, rules and guides of expected behavior, values are abstract concepts of what is important and worthwhile. Flying the national flag on a holiday is a norm, but it reflects the value of patriotism.)



From early colonial days, when some English and German settlers came in search of religious freedom, America has been profoundly influenced by religion. That influence continues in American culture, social life, and politics. The text of the First Amendment to the country's Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion while also preventing the government from establishing a state religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States


You are reacting to the sentence "the influence American culture has on the culture of other countries, such as their popular culture, media, cuisine, technology, business practices, or political techniques." If you read this properly, it says that that the other countries have cultures, of which popular culture, media, cuisine, technology, business practices, or political techniques are expressions, and these expressions are influenced by American culture. It doesn't say anything about what American culture does or does not have in terms of cultural expressions.

A cuisine is a specific set of cooking traditions and practices, often associated with a specific culture or region. Each cuisine involves food preparation in a particular style, of food and drink of particular types, to produce individually consumed items or distinct meals. A cuisine is frequently named after the region or place where it originated. A cuisine is primarily influenced by the ingredients that are available locally or through trade. Religious food laws can also exercise a strong influence on such culinary practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cuisines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cuisines_of_the_Americas#North_American_cuisine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_regional_and_fusion_cuisines


Who is THEY here? Those young people outside the US? Their parents or adults in that country? Or the US?
Perhaps nobody dan pinpoint what specifically American culture is, but US entertainment (movies, tv-series, music) permeates nearly all countries, as do US brands (Coca Cola, IBM, Microsoft, Ford) and the US pencheant for fast food (McDonalds, KFC, Domino's, Burger King, Pizza Hut).

Starbucks today operates 23,768 locations worldwide, including 13,107 (+170) in the United States, 2,204 (+86) in China, 1,418 (-12) in Canada, 1,160 (+2) in Japan and 872 in South Korea (Differences reflect growth since Jan 8, 2016). As of June 9, 2016, Starbucks is present in 72 countries and territories
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Mocca Frappucino anyone?:coffee:
I don't see how the US having a lot of religious people is an issue...when I say freedom from norms I mean the US(or American society) lets people work outside those norms....the US let people do it before other major countries did...the constitutional freedom FROM religion gave people more space to work with at a time where religion in other countries not only played a key role in society but also government....People can be of faith but still create works of art literature etc that contradict their faith...the concept of personal freedom is so deeply engraved in the society that society as a whole can never shut that person down(France just proved how backward they are compared to America in case of personal liberties)...you in Europe have a collective sense of "Us" or "We"...If We as French people do not like it we wont let you do it.....in the US it is always Me and I....It is I may not like it but you can do whatever you want....Secularism is a norm in france...and religion is in the US....guess who enforces those norms and who doesnt....that's what I meant we are free from those norms because nobody enforces them on us...most people still might choose to follow them but they don't have to.
Cuisine: Yes I know what a cuisine is...I know there are differences between Sicilian cuisine and Mainland Italaian cuisine....but collectively the world calls them Italian cuisine....the French have a lot of local cuisines too..but collectively they are called French cuisine...India probably has more diversity among its local cuisine but everybody calls it Indian cuisine collectively...America does not have that....it literally is a mixture of different European cuisines from the early settlers...then it got heavily influenced by Italians,Chinese ,Japanese and now Indians are coming into the picture.
They are young people outside the US...for example rap...a lot of white people in this country would never accept Rap as a part of their culture...but it is as American as it can get....go read the history of hiphop...it did not start of as banging girls and having bling bling...it started of as an art of dissent...then it got exported into other countries where they started to use it for dissent...that is the American culture...Rap is freedom from the norm...and you see how it got exported through outthe world.
Regarding American entertainment...there are two key reasons why it got so popular...the first reason is because the BRITISH taught the world English....2nd reason is because we have a bigger industry here which means we can invest more in this industry and give directors a lot of freedom to work with and thus make better art....a lot of the series are not even about America or america Centric...GOT has absolutely nothing American about it...one could argue it is more European in flavor...Breaking Bad can be replicated anywhere in the world...it could be the story of any drug manufacutrer in any country....the Brits also make great serials like this..Sherlock.
Fast Food: Yes these companies are everywhere because they took these not-so American food and made a good business model out of it...Starbucks sells coffee...people already drink coffee in other countries...Starbucks just knew how to make money out of making a chain business out of it...coffee is not American..Fried Chicken is Scottish...Pizza is italian , Burgers are arguably German cars are definitely german(Ford just figured out a way to make it cheaper)....American companies just did good business...and Ford? Come on the world runs on japanese cars...i don't see anyone crying about becoming japanized...computers...yes technically most of the development of the PC was American and American companies capitalized on this invention and became global comapnies...The brits invented the turbojet(Whittle) but they failed to capitalize on the product they created...but still the world moves because of the british jet...who ever says we are becoming british because we use jets?

And if using American products make people Americanized...then to you I say welcome to the Global Republic of China.
 
I don't see how the US having a lot of religious people is an issue...
While religion is difficult to define, one standard model of religion, used in religious studies courses, was proposed by Clifford Geertz, who simply called it a "cultural system".

Religion is often viewed as a cultural system of behaviors and practices, world views, sacred texts, holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence".

A critique of Geertz's model by Talal Asad categorized religion as "an anthropological category". Richard Niebuhr's (1894-1962) five-fold classification of the relationship between Christ and culture, however, indicates that religion and culture can be seen as two separate systems, though not without some interplay.

So, there is at least interplay between and possibly substantial overlap between culture and religion. The implication is that the degree of religiousness is an - at least partial - indicator of the presence of culture.

Religion can be viewed as representing values (what is good/bad) as well as norms (how to behave). The subsequent implication is that if there is religiousness, then there are values and norms.

when I say freedom from norms I mean the US(or American society) lets people work outside those norms....
As if one can actually detach from society....

the US let people do it before other major countries did...
The Virginia Declaration of Rights is a document drafted in 1776 to proclaim the inherent rights of men, including the right to reform or abolish "inadequate" government. It influenced a number of later documents, including the United States Declaration of Independence (1776), the United States Bill of Rights (1789), and the French Revolution's Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (1789).

Ten articles of the VDoR were initially drafted by George Mason circa May 20–26, 1776. Mason based his initial draft on the rights of citizens described in earlier works such as the English Bill of Rights (1689), and the writings of John Locke.

Locke fled to the Netherlands in 1683. During his five years in Holland, Locke chose his friends "from among the same freethinking members of dissenting Protestant groups as Spinoza's small group of loyal confidants. Locke almost certainly met men in Amsterdam who spoke of the ideas of that renegade Jew who... insisted on identifying himself through his religion of reason alone." While she says that "Locke's strong empiricist tendencies" would have "disinclined him to read a grandly metaphysical work such as Spinoza's Ethics, in other ways he was deeply receptive to Spinoza's ideas, most particularly to the rationalist's well thought out argument for political and religious tolerance and the necessity of the separation of church and state."
In the Netherlands, Locke had time to return to his writing, spending a great deal of time re-working the Essay and composing the Letter on Toleration. Locke did not return home until after the Glorious Revolution. Locke accompanied William of Orange's wife back to England in 1688. The bulk of Locke's publishing took place upon his return from exile – his aforementioned Essay Concerning Human Understanding, the Two Treatises of Civil Government and A Letter Concerning Toleration all appearing in quick succession.

The US Constitution owes much to Dutch influences ... ;-)

the constitutional freedom FROM religion gave people more space to work with at a time where religion in other countries not only played a key role in society but also government....
The US constitution does give freedom FROM religion. Religion being seen as a private rather than a public matter. The constitution only served to not have a STATE RELIGION. Its about government off your back.

People can be of faith but still create works of art literature etc that contradict their faith...
Has nothing to do with what was posted earlier.

the concept of personal freedom is so deeply engraved in the society that society as a whole can never shut that person down(France just proved how backward they are compared to America in case of personal liberties)...
Read Geert Hofstede's work (Culture's consequences).
First you claim US has no culture, now US is so forward compared to France.
As Hofstede said: culture can only exists from comparison.
http://www.geerthofstede.com/geert

you in Europe have a collective sense of "Us" or "We"...If We as French people do not like it we wont let you do it.....in the US it is always Me and I....It is I may not like it but you can do whatever you want....
Geert Hofstede's cultural dimensions, one of them being Individualism versus Collectivism. All cultures vary on this dimension.
https://geert-hofstede.com/cultural-dimensions.html
https://geert-hofstede.com/national-culture.html

Secularism is a norm in france...and religion is in the US....
Church and State are very seperated in US. But people in the US as more religious than in France.

guess who enforces those norms and who doesnt....that's what I meant we are free from those norms because nobody enforces them on us...most people still might choose to follow them but they don't have to.
US and France differ in their attitude towards government, Americans don't want strong government. Hence, it is also not the task of government to enforce norms > see Hofstede
http://www.geerthofstede.com/media/1105/whatsonmymindfeb2008.doc

The fact that GOVERNMENT isn't enforcing doesn't mean norms dont get enforced. However, enforcement then becomes a social thing. Go live in the deep south for a while ;-)

Cuisine: Yes I know what a cuisine is...I know there are differences between Sicilian cuisine and Mainland Italaian cuisine....but collectively the world calls them Italian cuisine....the French have a lot of local cuisines too..but collectively they are called French cuisine...India probably has more diversity among its local cuisine but everybody calls it Indian cuisine collectively...America does not have that....it literally is a mixture of different European cuisines from the early settlers...then it got heavily influenced by Italians,Chinese ,Japanese and now Indians are coming into the picture.
Eg Chinese cuisine is just as much a sum total of very different regional cuisines as American cuisine is.
I really can't be bothered with discussing cuisines. You are making something out of nothing here.

They are young people outside the US...for example rap...a lot of white people in this country would never accept Rap as a part of their culture...but it is as American as it can get....go read the history of hiphop...it did not start of as banging girls and having bling bling...it started of as an art of dissent...then it got exported into other countries where they started to use it for dissent...that is the American culture...Rap is freedom from the norm...and you see how it got exported through outthe world.
Regarding American entertainment...there are two key reasons why it got so popular...the first reason is because the BRITISH taught the world English....2nd reason is because we have a bigger industry here which means we can invest more in this industry and give directors a lot of freedom to work with and thus make better art....a lot of the series are not even about America or america Centric...GOT has absolutely nothing American about it...one could argue it is more European in flavor...Breaking Bad can be replicated anywhere in the world...it could be the story of any drug manufacutrer in any country....the Brits also make great serials like this..Sherlock.
Fast Food: Yes these companies are everywhere because they took these not-so American food and made a good business model out of it...Starbucks sells coffee...people already drink coffee in other countries...Starbucks just knew how to make money out of making a chain business out of it...coffee is not American..Fried Chicken is Scottish...Pizza is italian , Burgers are arguably German cars are definitely german(Ford just figured out a way to make it cheaper)....American companies just did good business...and Ford? Come on the world runs on japanese cars...i don't see anyone crying about becoming japanized...computers...yes technically most of the development of the PC was American and American companies capitalized on this invention and became global comapnies...The brits invented the turbojet(Whittle) but they failed to capitalize on the product they created...but still the world moves because of the british jet...who ever says we are becoming british because we use jets?

And if using American products make people Americanized...then to you I say welcome to the Global Republic of China.
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Like wise: can't seriously be bothered to discuss this.

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https://geert-hofstede.com/united-states.html

USofA 40 91 62 46 26 68
France 68 71 43 86 63 48
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From left to right:
PowerDistance = US < FR
Individualism = US > FR
Masculinity = US > FR
Uncertainty Avoidance = US < FR
Long Term Orientation= US < FR
Indulgence= US > FR

This explains the difference in attitude towards burkini quite well on the basis of national culture


Compare your personal cultural preferences to a country of your interest — take the Culture Compass

Power Distance Index (PDI)
This dimension expresses the degree to which the less powerful members of a society accept and expect that power is distributed unequally. The fundamental issue here is how a society handles inequalities among people. People in societies exhibiting a large degree of Power Distance accept a hierarchical order in which everybody has a place and which needs no further justification. In societies with low Power Distance, people strive to equalise the distribution of power and demand justification for inequalities of power.

Individualism versus Collectivism (IDV)
The high side of this dimension, called individualism, can be defined as a preference for a loosely-knit social framework in which individuals are expected to take care of only themselves and their immediate families. Its opposite, collectivism, represents a preference for a tightly-knit framework in society in which individuals can expect their relatives or members of a particular in-group to look after them in exchange for unquestioning loyalty. A society's position on this dimension is reflected in whether people’s self-image is defined in terms of “I” or “we.”

Masculinity versus Femininity (MAS)
The Masculinity side of this dimension represents a preference in society for achievement, heroism, assertiveness and material rewards for success. Society at large is more competitive. Its opposite, femininity, stands for a preference for cooperation, modesty, caring for the weak and quality of life. Society at large is more consensus-oriented. In the business context Masculinity versus Femininity is sometimes also related to as "tough versus tender" cultures.

Uncertainty Avoidance Index (UAI)
The Uncertainty Avoidance dimension expresses the degree to which the members of a society feel uncomfortable with uncertainty and ambiguity. The fundamental issue here is how a society deals with the fact that the future can never be known: should we try to control the future or just let it happen? Countries exhibiting strong UAI maintain rigid codes of belief and behaviour and are intolerant of unorthodox behaviour and ideas. Weak UAI societies maintain a more relaxed attitude in which practice counts more than principles.

Long Term Orientation versus Short Term Normative Orientation (LTO)*
Every society has to maintain some links with its own past while dealing with the challenges of the present and the future. Societies prioritize these two existential goals differently.

Societies who score low on this dimension, for example, prefer to maintain time-honoured traditions and norms while viewing societal change with suspicion. Those with a culture which scores high, on the other hand, take a more pragmatic approach: they encourage thrift and efforts in modern education as a way to prepare for the future.

In the business context this dimension is related to as "(short term) normative versus (long term) pragmatic" (PRA). In the academic environment the terminology Monumentalism versus Flexhumility is sometimes also used.

Indulgence versus Restraint (IND)
Indulgence stands for a society that allows relatively free gratification of basic and natural human drives related to enjoying life and having fun. Restraint stands for a society that suppresses gratification of needs and regulates it by means of strict social norms.

https://geert-hofstede.com/national-culture.html
 
Starbucks today operates 23,768 locations worldwide, including 13,107 (+170) in the United States, 2,204 (+86) in China, 1,418 (-12) in Canada, 1,160 (+2) in Japan and 872 in South Korea (Differences reflect growth since Jan 8, 2016). As of June 9, 2016, Starbucks is present in 72 countries and territories
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Mocca Frappucino anyone?:coffee:

That is the proverbial "tip of the iceberg"...

I have multiple pages of world maps exactly like the one above in the "Team USA" thread.

The Starbucks one is here (and already behind the times): https://defence.pk/threads/team-usa.306182/page-90#post-7303230

others:
https://defence.pk/threads/team-usa.306182/page-91
https://defence.pk/threads/team-usa.306182/page-92
https://defence.pk/threads/team-usa.306182/page-93
 
I've lived there for a decade of so. I've relatives on both coasts. You don't have to tell me about it.
How long and where have you lived in Europe?

http://www.novinite.com/articles/123312/Netherlands'+Largest+Mosque+Opens+Doors+in+Rotterdam
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The Essalam mosque: offers space for 1500, took seven years, cost EUR 4 M
Built in a traditional style with 50-meter minarets.
Biggest Islamic house of prayer in the Netherlands and one of the biggest in Western Europe.

Mevlana Moskee (Rotterdam)
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http://www.mevlanamoskee.nl/nl/Default.aspx

The Mosque of West Amsterdam
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http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...12/mosque-west-amsterdam-151201183556035.html

Mosque Amsterdam Zuidoost Bijlmer
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El Ouma Mosque in Amsterdam - Netherlands
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http://www.beautifulmosque.com/El-Ouma-Mosque-in-Amsterdam-Netherlands

Ulu Mosque and its surroundings in Utrecht
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More beautiful mosques in the Netherlands here:
http://www.beautifulmosque.com/?SearchText=1,netherlands

Or see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_the_Netherlands
Or just google: Mosque + Netherlands

As well as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_Europe

Meanwhile...

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I liked the architecture of those mosques in NL espacially the first one, too bad 90% of the new built mosques in Turkey are imitation of the blue mosque.
 
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