Are desi muslims confused about their origins and where they belong?

[Jaanbaz]

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Language is more related to culture than religion. There are 54 Muslim countries and each are quite different from the other. Language tells more about culture than religion. Pakistani Punjabi and Sindhis are closer to North Indians culturally than are Balochs or Puktoons, in the same way as North Indians are culturally different from Tamilians or Assamese



So who are you?

If you are from this land than you are related to North Indians, If you outsiders who invaded India than either you are Arabs or Persians or Central asians

Punjabis (everyone living in Punjab is a Punjabi and Pak Punjab is as diverse as America when it comes to ethnicities etc... but all have assimilated and same goes for Sindh... where Sindhis of Baluch origin are leading Sindhi Nationalist Parties and so on)... we Pak share much more similiarities between eachother... than say a Lahori shares with someone from northern indian state like UP.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

So who are you?

If you are from this land than you are related to North Indians, If you outsiders who invaded India than either you are Arabs or Persians or Central asians

For your information this is Jan 29/ 2015 not 1946. We are Pakistanis not indians. And please look at the world map, we have a border between india and Pakistan. We are not the same country, our people are different if you still insist that we looks like indian then i am afraid you are just born yesterday and you dont have any info regarding our country.

 

[Judge]

i have a feeling this guy is indian...

P.S: Please share your ethnic background.. coz apart from you none of us are confused about our origin!

Try not to lie.
Would you like the inches upon inches of columns in Pakistani papers about Pakistani identity crisis(because origin here is mentioned in the context of identity) ??

 

[desibaba83]

Many or all in Pakistan knows this , but few, you being one, have the guts to accept this..
How can one disown ones mother..??? and WHY ???

Its true though. Since I have lived in the US i have met many people from many cultures and I find

i have a feeling this guy is indian...

P.S: Please share your ethnic background.. coz apart from you none of us are confused about our origin!

I come from a sunni mahajir family from Karachi. I know my ancestors were from UP in india. Never been there myself.

 

[ito]

Punjabis (everyone living in Punjab is a Punjabi and Pak Punjab is as diverse as America when it comes to ethnicities etc... but all have assimilated and same goes for Sindh... where Sindhis of Baluch origin are leading Sindhi Nationalist Parties and so on)... we Pak share much more similiarities between eachother... than say a Lahori shares with someone from northern indian state like UP.

Language has evolved to communicate between same people. I don't know but I feel puktoons are quite different from Punjabi in their look and culture etc..

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Try not to lie.
Would you like the inches upon inches of columns in Pakistani papers about Pakistani identity crisis(because origin here is mentioned in the context of identity) ??

So im lying when i say that im a Proud Pak Baluch?

@Jaanbaz is lying when he says that is a Proud Punjabi Awan? and so on? meanwhile some indian from central india or some state like mahrastra (which we cant even pronounce) knows more about Pak and Pakistanis?

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

Its interesting if you look at our ancestors who were hindus but they got along well until the arabs came and started converting some to muslims. Now we dont belong anywhere. We arent hindus (even though our language, culture and values are) but we never fit in with the Arabs either since they think we are "Low Class" and not good enough to be a part of their society.

Our ancestors were monkeys as per Charles darwin, so why not we all act like one. You are too stupid to understand that we are Pakistanis and muslim regardless of what religion our ancestors had.
And dear dont need to be so confuse, if you are saying you are Pakistani then you should behave like one and should not act like a random indian troll.

 

[ito]

For your information this is Jan 29/ 2015 not 1946. We are Pakistanis not indians. And please look at the world map, we have a border between india and Pakistan. We are not the same country, our people are different if you still insist that we looks like indian then i am afraid you are just born yesterday and you dont have any info regarding our country.

Yes...but you seem confused we are discussing culture not nationality. Yes..I am an Indian and you a Pakistani

 

[Jaanbaz]

Proud Punjabi Jatt

Awan.

Try not to lie.
Would you like the inches upon inches of columns in Pakistani papers about Pakistani identity crisis(because origin here is mentioned in the context of identity) ??

Some Pakistanis might be confused about their identity just like many Indians think their ancestors were Vikings.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Language has evolved to communicate between same people. I don't know but I feel puktoons are quite different from Punjabi in their look and culture etc..

Do you even know about the different people who live in Punjab? and have all assimilated .. yet take pride in their origin ?

Have you ever heard of a Punjabi of bengali origin in indian punjab? (the state which considers itself superior to other indians .. where "bhaiyas" from alleged "north indian states" are looked down upon and treated like crap? I bet you havent.



In Pak Punjab.. a Punjabi Baluch,Punjabi Pashtun or a Punjabi speaking Qazalbash isnt surprising...

Its true though. Since I have lived in the US i have met many people from many cultures and I find

I come from a sunni mahajir family from Karachi. I know my ancestors were from UP in india. Never been there myself.

So you are a UP wala ... are you confused about your identity?

Awan.



Some Pakistanis might be confused about their identity just like many Indians think their ancestors were Vikings.

Indians here wont even know what "Awan" is or what their origin is? yet they know more abt Pak than Pakistanis..

 

[jamahir]

I was born in Pakistan in the city of Karachi. I lived there till I was 17 until I moved to the US in 2000. I was raised in a moderate sunni muslim family. After moving to the US and visiting Saudi Arabia and UAE I realized that most arabs think of desis as low class laborers and never give our people equal rights in their countries (for example you cant get their citizenship even if you are born there nor can you marry one of their women). If you look at our desi culture you will find that we have a lot more in common with indian hindu culture than we do with the Arabs (even though we practice their faith). The point im trying im trying to make is that we arent accepted by the Arabs as one of them despite sharing the same religion but we arent hindu either. So where do we truly belong?

most ordinary desi muslims are not comfortable with the idea of real islam... they rather think that islam is a set of rituals and they must constantly compete to defeat the others in the number of quran-qaani memorizations or building the most number of mosques or wearing the darkest of burqa... and so defeating the other, they would emerge as "proper muslim".

in india, one fashion among the young "pious" muslim males is getting that mark on the forehead that comes from banging the head on the mat during prayer... one fellow i saw had a sore there, with possibly pus underneath... yuck.

go to the indian cities of bangalore and hyderabad... many young females have adopted the burqa... i have not seen burqas twenty years ago... and now, everywhere... for the burqa, her fashion is matching is matching her black burqa with a pink handbag.

they each try to out do the other in "pious-ness" not considering that they should flush "pious-ness" down the toilet ( where it belongs ) and become true muslim... and true islam is early socialism.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yes...but you seem confused we are discussing culture not nationality. Yes..I am an Indian and you a Pakistani

No im not.. i follow Baluch culture... i follow Baluch Mayar... it has nothing to do with arabic culture etc... But yes ISLAM has influenced our cultures greatly... just like it influenced Arabs who used to treat women like cattle.

 

[ito]

Do you even know about the different people who live in Punjab? and have all assimilated .. yet take pride in their origin ?

Have you ever heard of a Punjabi of bengali origin in indian punjab? (the state which considers itself superior to other indians .. where "bhaiyas" from alleged "north indian states" are looked down upon and treated like crap? I bet you havent.



In Pak Punjab.. a Punjabi Baluch,Punjabi Pashtun or a Punjabi speaking Qazalbash isnt surprising...


So you are a UP wala ... are you confused about your identity?



Indians here wont even know what "Awan" is or what their origin is? yet they know more abt Pak than Pakistanis..

Bengali are different from north Indians. I know what you are talking about. India itself is hugely diverse. Even in India there is a huge assimilation taking place, but at the same time a tamilian is easily identified among a group of North Indians.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Bengali are different from north Indians. I know what you are talking about. India itself is hugely diverse. Even in India there is a huge assimilation taking place, but at the same time a tamilian is easily identified among a group of North Indians.

Face Palm.