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yourself a nationalist

yes islam did it.. umar said something wery interesting..

how am I a nationalist? because of my name? because I am against that devilish saud family ? or critisised the holy arabs? or because I didnt leave to eat mercimek corba and melemen to breakfast?
or is it because I said something bad against "the arabs" (sauds) ? or to do some overtone singing? should I sing with LEELELELEEEEY LOOOOOLELEY? or am I a nationalist because I am not bowing down to someone with beard and special headscarf? as someone who does not take orders from slaves that hurts you? or that I want that our soccer team wins?
or because I would love to have one big country from turkey till kirgistan? and than from pakistan till indonesia? such a bad thing!? for whom? or because I have no problems with anyone who is good mannered muslim?


I had wrote something more but I cut it here.. just tell me why am I a nationalist? do I want to turkeyfy anyone? or am I worser I am not interested in nationalism.. and I have much greater visions?
 
Does not say "must". But allows.

"Warn, seperate your bed and beat them"

No injury? Oh, thanks for that.!
Islam is a religion for men.

Greek? No, i am not.


You sound like never read Quran in your language like the most here.

Read Nisa-34 once in Urdu then you will see what it says.
Its never about just reading the exact literal word by word meaning but learning the intended context and fine details and background together with the successive verses..

Listen dude, this is an illustration of an an Islamic society that does not tolerate adultery by a married person.You dont like this rule good for you.And thats what the particular verse articulates the action plan in steps until the issue is taken care of..If a woman is caught with proof takes the advice of husband/state she is forgiven,if she repeats the mistake the state/husband leaves her in solitary confinement, if she still doesn't fix herself state punishes here ( lashes or something, husband is only allowed for his reactionary move provided it does not injure her. like a slap or whip with something in hand), there can be capital punishment if they are still living together and the problem comes back.
if you dont like all this good for you..
 
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yes islam did it.. umar said something wery interesting..

how am I a nationalist? because of my name? because I am against that devilish saud family ? or critisised the holy arabs? or because I didnt leave to eat mercimek corba and melemen to breakfast?
or is it because I said something bad against "the arabs" (sauds) ? or to do some overtone singing? should I sing with LEELELELEEEEY LOOOOOLELEY? or am I a nationalist because I am not bowing down to someone with beard and special headscarf? as someone who does not take orders from slaves that hurts you? or that I want that our soccer team wins?
or because I would love to have one big country from turkey till kirgistan? and than from pakistan till indonesia? such a bad thing!? for whom? or because I have no problems with anyone who is good mannered muslim?


I had wrote something more but I cut it here.. just tell me why am I a nationalist? do I want to turkeyfy anyone? or am I worser I am not interested in nationalism.. and I have much greater visions?
On the other threads you were defending Turkes while you say nationalism is form of jahiliya?!
 
On the other threads you were defending Turkes while you say nationalism is form of jahiliya?!

really? i if you would look into turkish section and in ME I have also massivly spoken against Kemalist and much more against Erdogan.. all to such a degree I was called ISIS or ISLAMIST(elhamdulillah I am muslim) or a traitor or gulen, I also spoke against chp. mhp akp bulgaria, greece, iran and pakistan or pakistanis and I would like to hide my hate speeches against EU and US

also whats your problem? defending turks does not make you nationalist.. there are things to be defended and things to be ashamed of.. in the other forum I had discussions with certain ppl because they insinst doing the same wrongs that happen in my country.. if they dont have this why should they do the same if it only brings evil like the naked ppl on the beaches?

I dont think anyone wants to forbid pakistanis waving their flags like they dont want to forbid it for turks or arabs.. as said to some degree its not bad to like your country and the traditions
 
Mumluks were turks too, so turk vs turk are fighting in this series.
Mamluks were a mixed race people consisting of slaves of central asian turkic, iranians, georgian, circassians etc. Even the Mamluks like Ghaznavids could potentially be of turkic speaking georgian/circassian/chechens caucasian slaves raised as warriors/soldiers by their turkic owners in medieval central asia. But yes it is a truth as grown up adults they always identified as "Turks" and spoke the same turkic language of their turkic masters and practiced the same turkic culture of their turkic masters. I have worked here with many Turks from Turkey, I can clearly see that they are mix of various races belonging to central asia, Caucasus, Albanians, even Bosnian muslim slavs too.
 
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Islam was founded among Arabs dummy


Actually they were the ones who brought the crusaders and mongols to invade the Muslim lands and they are the ones who made Islam look bad just look what they did in India and you will know

As for the nonsense Arabs conquered lands from France to China and they didn’t need anyone lol

Arab fatimids burnt the holy church of speculchre long before the Seljuks came to the Middle East.

Crusades were triggered due to a multiple of factors same with the Mongols. Turks biggest mistake on why the crusaders were able to stay in the Middle East was due to their infighting.

After Malik Shahs death the Seljuks split into many states as the crusaders arrived the Anatolian Seljuks were having war with the Danishmend.

Same result with the Mongols the Abbassids refused to support the Kwarzmians due to both of them beefing and not heeding the Mongol warning.

Mamluks were a mixed race people consisting of slaves of central asian turkic, iranians, georgian, circassians etc. Even the Mamluks like Ghaznavids could potentially be of turkic speaking georgian/circassian caucasians slaves raised as warriors/soldiers by their turkic owners in medieval central asia. But yes it is a truth as grown up adults they always identified as "Turks" and spoke the same turkic language of their turkic masters and practiced the same turkic culture of their turkic masters. I have worked here with many Turks from Turkey, I can clearly see that they are mix of various races belonging to central asia, Caucasus, Albanians, even Bosnians too.

Ghaznavids are Turks not georgians or circassians.

Ghaznavids founder was Sabuktigin and the Empire was founded by Alp Tekin or Alptigin. So tell me how are these names Circassian or Georgian??
 
Arab fatimids burnt the holy church of speculchre long before the Seljuks came to the Middle East.

Crusades were triggered due to a multiple of factors same with the Mongols. Turks biggest mistake on why the crusaders were able to stay in the Middle East was due to their infighting.

After Malik Shahs death the Seljuks split into many states as the crusaders arrived the Anatolian Seljuks were having war with the Danishmend.

Same result with the Mongols the Abbassids refused to support the Kwarzmians due to both of them beefing and not heeding the Mongol warning.



Ghaznavids are Turks not georgians or circassians.

Ghaznavids founder was Sabuktigin and the Empire was founded by Alp Tekin or Alptigin. So tell me how are these names Circassian or Georgian??

The original "Turks" or "Turkic" people were a chinese type of people, all non-chinese looking people who now call themselves turks are just a mixed race people around those chinese looking turkic people. The areas lying north of Kashmir and Afghanistan in ancient times was called "Turkistan", they are mentioned in almost all the ancient books of our region as people who looked like "Tibetans" or in other words like chinese.
 
The original "Turks" or "Turkic" people were a chinese type of people, all non-chinese looking people who now call themselves turks are just a mixed race people around those chinese looking turkic people. The areas lying north of Kashmir and Afghanistan in ancient times was called "Turkistan", they are mentioned in almost all the ancient books of our region as people who looked like "Tibetans" or in other words like chinese.

Turkic Race is not a single race it is a mix. Turks come from the Altai mountains which made them look far eastern. Turks mixed with many people in the places they conquered and settled. Not to mention the environment changes people after centuries.

Turks of Turkey, Iraqi Turkmens, Azerbaijani Turks, Kazakhs, Kyrgz, Yakuts, Altai Turks and other Turkic peoples are all Turks even if they look different from each other.

Language and culture is what matters.
 
Turkic Race is not a single race it is a mix. Turks come from the Altai mountains which made them look far eastern. Turks mixed with many people in the places they conquered and settled. Not to mention the environment changes people after centuries.

Turks of Turkey, Iraqi Turkmens, Azerbaijani Turks, Kazakhs, Kyrgz, Yakuts, Altai Turks and other Turkic peoples are all Turks even if they look different from each other.

Language and culture is what matters.

This doesn't matter at all, our language punjabi is related to all major european languages, I often see many similarities in words between german language to my own mother language punjabi, almost all numbers are quite similar sounding and there are many other words that are quite similar but that doesn't mean that punjabi and german are same people, language and people are two very different things, anyone can speak any language if he is exposed to that language from childhood. I stand on my point the original turks were one of chinese people just like Tibetans who just became militarily successful in the middle centuries of the first millenium because the orignal non-chinese people of central asia became weak and subjugated by the incoming chinese turkics people, their purest specimens would be something similar to Kyrgyz today who just look to me just another type of chinese people. Our ancestors have always called the people who looked like chinese as chinese people, the language BS never mattered in this case.
 
The original "Turks" or "Turkic" people were a chinese type of people, all non-chinese looking people who now call themselves turks are just a mixed race people around those chinese looking turkic people

all the similarities in your indo european branch of family are quite obvious.. from character to language and maybe genetics..

we turks have our own language and own kind of thinking.. you talked about chinese type of ppl (you mean something else ist just ignorance) the old chinese have reported they couldnt distingush between a chinese and a turk if the turk speaks fluently chinese..

our leaders reportedly had chinese wifes.. and maybe the folk was also mixed in to some degree.. but the reality is turks mixed with many folks as other folks did the same.. no one on earth is not mixed type of ppl except just some isolated ppl.. and you can say if you spread over a wide area than you will also have genetic markers of all this area..

I can say the town from where my family comes from has genes from greeks (almost everywhere to some degree), romans(quite a lot), kaukasians (cirkassians and armenians), from the balkan and turkic genes

and shure you will find ppl with about 50 % of greek genes in turkey also having persian arabic and turkic genes the world is mixed.. and in turkey we do not look what genes the ppl have we look is his family good is the person a good person? thats what matters and that may be the thing ppl in the past also did

if you look to kazakhs for excample who look quite a lot asian type.. they have also many many different genes like from finno urgrian, east european, mongol hey just the ppl who are in their range or shared same history..
you will find central asian genes in almost same size in turkey azerbaycan, kazakhstan, kirgistan, turkmenistan and os on.. one having a little bit more the other a little bit lesser.. but for sure all have other mixtures in their heritage.. and that is what makes them look different

Our ancestors have always called the people who looked like chinese as chinese people

thats ignorance and racism..
 
all the similarities in your indo european branch of family are quite obvious.. from character to language and maybe genetics..

we turks have our own language and own kind of thinking.. you talked about chinese type of ppl (you mean something else ist just ignorance) the old chinese have reported they couldnt distingush between a chinese and a turk if the turk speaks fluently chinese..

our leaders reportedly had chinese wifes.. and maybe the folk was also mixed in to some degree.. but the reality is turks mixed with many folks as other folks did the same.. no one on earth is not mixed type of ppl except just some isolated ppl.. and you can say if you spread over a wide area than you will also have genetic markers of all this area..

I can say the town from where my family comes from has genes from greeks (almost everywhere to some degree), romans(quite a lot), kaukasians (cirkassians and armenians), from the balkan and turkic genes

and shure you will find ppl with about 50 % of greek genes in turkey also having persian arabic and turkic genes the world is mixed.. and in turkey we do not look what genes the ppl have we look is his family good is the person a good person? thats what matters and that may be the thing ppl in the past also did

if you look to kazakhs for excample who look quite a lot asian type.. they have also many many different genes like from finno urgrian, east european, mongol hey just the ppl who are in their range or shared same history..
you will find central asian genes in almost same size in turkey azerbaycan, kazakhstan, kirgistan, turkmenistan and os on.. one having a little bit more the other a little bit lesser.. but for sure all have other mixtures in their heritage.. and that is what makes them look different



thats ignorance and racism..

Non Turks are doing their best to show how us Turks of Turkey are fake.

Non Turks need to shut the F up about who is a Turk and not a Turk.

People are systematically trying to deny our history and identity.
 
Non Turks are doing their best to show how us Turks of Turkey are fake.

Non Turks need to shut the F up about who is a Turk and not a Turk.

People are systematically trying to deny our history and identity.

to hell with those fake ppl who have not the balls to confront directly :)
 
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...ia-animosity-spills-over-cultural-sphere.html

I hope you Arab loving neo-Ottoman Islamists are happy. Fkn traitors.

And to the idiots who are going to say "but the Arabs hate us because we ruled them lol", yeah we already know that genius. The point is that they've infected us with this whole Islamist ideology since the 80s with full backing from the west. And now they're trying to turn Turkey into what they've been for decades. Meanwhile the west is ordering them to secularize.

We were a militarist secular Kemalist state which was in another league when compared to Arab countries. Now we're trying to become them because of the Georgian watermelon seller. "Oh but Erdoğan made the defense industry what it is", no you dumbàss the Turkish defense industry was restarted in the 70s after your precious Menderes had killed it in the 50s. It was on the path to be where it is now regardless of Erdoğan.

We never should have stooped to their level. We were so feared as a secular state but now we're are just a toothless Arab loving country. I seriously hope someone like Imamoglu takes control of the country because we need to set the record straight. Time to become Turks again instead of Arab loving neo-Ottomans. You seriously think they view us as brothers? In your dreams. Soon we shall descend on them like the Turco-Mongols did centuries ago. Wake up and return to your roots.
There are a couple of errors in your post. But I guess I'll start by saying that you need to incorporate critical thinking. Meaning, whatever you read, don't take it at face value but rather research and fact check what you have read. When fact checking, avoid cognitive bias. An example of a cognitive bias is, you search google for something and the first "source" you find that suits your current opinion, you say to yourself something like 'I was right all along' and cease to investigate any further. That is cognitive bias, a sort of a defence mechanism of the brain in order to feel good about oneself and avoid conflicting thoughts. In other words, your opinion wouldn't be based on reality, but whatever you feed yourself. Subjective rather than objective.

Erdogan, whether you like him or not, his policy is responsible for where the defence industry is where it is today. Yes, indigenizing the industry started back in the 70's, but that didn't mean everything went like it was supposed to. There have always been (especially in the 90's) people blocking indigenous products in favor of importing. This doesn't necessarily mean that there was ill intent either. They could've simply thought that imports were just better than indigenous, or had some other reason. Or on some cases there could've have been bad intentions. But this is supposed to be judged case by case, not generalize and say all these people were bad or whatever. This also continued (and probably still continues to some extent), but Erdogan's current policy has been indigenization and has been able to block this and basically obligated indigenous procurement. That is why we gained traction and made such a big leap in the last decade. And please don't take my word for it, do your own research. I heard about this in interviews with Temel Kotil and the CEO of Kale among others. The CEO of Kale, when he talked about his first endeavors of making a Turkish rifle, people (military/security/bureaucrats) were trying to block them (because of security and licenses etc, not due to ill intentions in this case).

Menderes didn't kill the industry in the 50's. It's true that Nuri Demirag's company went bankrupt in the 50's officially, the company was already financially struggling in the 40's due to THK not buying any planes since 1938. There was also a lawsuit between him and THK, which ended unfavorably for Nuri Demirag as well as the start of the Marshall plan in 1948. Nuri Demirag actually was the person to make the first political opposition party (Milli Kalkinma partisi), and was Ismet Inonu's only rival in the elections of the 46 but lost. He then later became of a member of parliament of Menderes's party in 1954. And no, I am not blaming Inonu for the demise of our defence industry in that period either. You gotta judge their actions according to those times. You had the Marshall plan, WW2, poverty, etc. All these factors gotta be factored in.

However, I am of the opinion that Inonu should've supported Demirag in his endeavors, I do want to add that saying something like this is easy, considering we know what happened. They did not have this luxury as we don't have the luxury of knowing what is going to happen in the future either.
I think the reason Demirag went into politics in starting from 45/46 onward was to save his plane factory, among others. Probably due to the lack of political support at the time. I would like to see political speeches, messages and pamphlets etc. from Demirag's party in order to be a better judge of what he wanted politically and what motivated him to go into politics.

We were a militarist secular Kemalist state which was in another league when compared to Arab countries.
We were no different than any other country that was ruled by dictators or other authoritarian regimes. Because authoritarian regimes are all different sides of the same coin. They are exactly the same in every way and everything they do. The only difference is in the details. One regime is secular, the other is religious, while the other is communist, then you got a capitalist regime, etc. Study the recent history of various other countries like Indonesia and other Asian countries, South-American countries, various countries in the world and you will see how similar their recent political history is compared to ours. Fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter what ideology the leader or the regime has, as long as it serves their overlords (superpowers) they are tolerated and encouraged.

We never should have stooped to their level. We were so feared as a secular state but now we're are just a toothless Arab loving country.
The reason they are making this tv series is because they are fearing Turkey's cultural influence in the middle east and are trying to stop the influence of Turkish culture which has gained traction in the Middle-East. The tv series is sponsored by UAE and KSA. The KSA channel MBC has actually stopped the broadcasting of Turkish series on it's channel a while ago. We can safely conclude here that the KSA government is behind this policy. The reason for this is the government of KSA being displeased by Turkey's growing influence. KSA, UAE and Egypt see Turkey as their political rival in the recent years, and this is evident in their propaganda regarding Turkey. And by the way, Egypt is exactly what Turkey was in the 80's. Sisi is exactly like Evren. Two sides, same coin.

You seriously think they view us as brothers? In your dreams. Soon we shall descend on them like the Turco-Mongols did centuries ago. Wake up and return to your roots.
Nationalism as an ideology is what causes wars and conflicts. Even the ideology of ISIS is nationalism based at its core and has Baathist roots, even though it claims Islamism. And 9 times of of 10, it destroys itself rather than others. If I were like illuminati, freemasons or some intelligence agency or whatever and wanted a country to destroy itself by way of civil war, destabilize a region or cause strife in some form or fashion, I would start by sponsoring and supporting the most nationalistic outlets, and work my way down the list for other ideologies. The more fanatical they are, the easier they are to be pitted against each other. The more they hate each other, the more their hatred is supported and amplified by these organizations until they get whatever they were after.

Take Israel as an example. Evangelists support the most nationalistic zionists they can find because they believe in Armageddon. The Armageddon prophecy is not something that favors Jews (it entails that two third of them die for the second coming). But they support zionists anyway because they know what their end goal is and what fanaticism and nationalism as an ideology does. Evangelists are anti-semite zionists (oxymoron?).

Bizim ulkemizi dusun, sag-sol catismalari, laik-muhafazakar, Turk-Kurt, Sunni-Alevi, bunlarin hepsi ulkemizi zayiflatmak icin. Buna alet olmamiz lazim, ve boyle seylere karsi uyanik olmamiz lazim. Seni biraz kandırmışlar diye dusunuyorum (kandirmamak elde degil, hepimiz gunluk kandiriliyoruz), soyle kandirmislar: sen Erdoğan'dan ve muhafazakarlardan nefret ediyorsun (mesajindan oyle anlasiliyor). Bu kadar asiri nefret ve/veya politik fanatiklik iyi birsey degil ve bu bizi bizlere karsi dusman yapiyor ve ulkemizi zayiflatiyor. Bizim siyasetçilerimizde ve medyamizda seviye yok, birbirlerine camur atip kotuluyorlar ve şeytanlastiriyorlar, o da bizlere boyle kotu yansiyor, ve biz de bazi siyasal figurlerden ve gruplardan nefret ediyoruz ya da en azinden guvenemiyoruz.

Bazi gazeteler okadar asiri yalan haber yapiyor ve manipule etmeye calisiyor ki, bunlara gazetici denmez. Ana akim tarafsiz olmaya calisan gazeteler bile 45% dogruluk oranini zor tutturuyorlar. Tarafli gazetelerde dogruluk oranini tahmin etmek istemiyorum bile. Tum dunyada objektiv gazetecilik ve bu meslegin hakkini veren gazetecileri saysan, tek elin parmagini bile gecmez. Zaten boyle gazetecilerin onunu tum dunyada tikiyorlar.
Bu propaganda olayini, gazetecilik mesleginin nekadar manipulatif oldugunu yakin zamanda yasadik. Turkiye Suriye'ye terore karsi savasmak icin girdi, ama dunya medyasi sanki Kurtlere karsi savasiyormusuz gibi lanse etti. Oradaki gazeteciler bizden daha iyi biliyor oyle olmadigini, ama onlar haberlerini politikalarina/cikarlarina yonelik hazirliyorlar ve onun icin boyle tur yalanlar soyluyorlar. Tipki yalanlarla dolu bu Osmanli dizisi gibi.

Haberciler, bize haberleri sunmuyor, onlarin sunduklari sadece inanmamizi istedikleri yalanlar ve manipülasyonlar (manufacturing consent):
 
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