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AOC’s Chief-Of-Staff Wears T-Shirt Featuring Nazi Collaborator

He was asked to join the SS as an administrative request from his boss.

SS had 3 main groups that counted - Gestapo, dudes than ran the concentration camps and Waffen-SS.
Which one did he belong to ?

None of the German scientists wanted to work for the USSR. It was a choice between Soviet labor camp and Soviet lab. No one has the choice of being a East German peasant. You make it sound like members of Nazi party would be given any other choice by the Soviets.

There is a good reason East Germany perished
I think you're being too simplistic. I'd probably work for Stalin if he paid me really well and he simply asked me to do what the yanks would have asked me had I fallen on their side. Why wouldn't a few hundred scientists who have just recently been designing wmd tech for Hitler gladly do the same for Stalin if he pays them well? They're not a bunch of hippies. They'll work if someone pays them well and as I understand it, those who fell under Soviet territory after the fall of Berlin chose to work for Stalin - they didn't want to go to ussr proper and wanted to stay in ddr but that's a separate issue.
 
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True Hitler was a big racist


You got white *** so he would have spared you?
only pure blooded "Aryan" whites

I think you're being too simplistic. I'd probably work for Stalin if he paid me really well and he simply asked me to do what the yanks would have asked me had I fallen on their side. Why wouldn't a few hundred scientists who have just recently been designing wmd tech for Hitler gladly do the same for Stalin if he pays them well? They're not a bunch of hippies. They'll work if someone pays them well and as I understand it, those who fell under Soviet territory after the fall of Berlin chose to work for Stalin - they didn't want to go to ussr proper and wanted to stay in ddr but that's a separate issue.

what does it mean to be paid well under communism ? for those germans who worked for Soviet military industry it is as simple as avoiding a Siberian gulag or getting shot. at least a million german civilians disappeared for good in Soviet Gulags.
 
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I think you're being too simplistic. I'd probably work for Stalin if he paid me really well...
Not possible.

Marx said: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

That means you are supposed to work for free -- relatively speaking. You are supposed to work to the best of your abilities and get paid enough only to cover your living expenses. That is what Stalin and later company pushed on the people. But themselves are exempted, of course. You think they are fools to live under the rules they give to you? :lol:
 
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West Europeans were considered superior and got better treatment.
Ask the Poles, Ukranians, Russians, Yugoslavs about the kind of treatment they received
It cant be any worse than the treatment being parted to Kashmiris in India.
 
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Not possible.

Marx said: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

That means you are supposed to work for free -- relatively speaking. You are supposed to work to the best of your abilities and get paid enough only to cover your living expenses. That is what Stalin and later company pushed on the people. But themselves are exempted, of course. You think they are fools to live under the rules they give to you? :lol:

Well that's kind of my point...we're not talking about average workers, the guys who built the a bomb, h bomb and space missions surely got paid big bonuses? But yes you and nathanbob are right in that clearly there is at least an element of coercion under communism also.
 
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AOC’s Chief-Of-Staff Wears T-Shirt Featuring Nazi Collaborator

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(JTA) — The chief of staff for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is under fire for wearing a T-shirt bearing the image of a Nazi collaborator.

Saikat Chakrabarti is seen wearing the green shirt in a video that aired in December on NowThis News about Ocasio-Cortez’s surprise congressional victory the previous month.

The shirt features a sketch of Subhas Chandra Bose, a dissident Indian nationalist recognized by Adolf Hitler as the leader of the Free India Government. In exchange, Bose enlisted tens of thousands of Indian men to support the Japanese invasion of British India in 1944 and help fight the British in Europe for Hitler. The Indian Legion Bose raised for Germany trained as a regiment of the SS.

He also broadcast propaganda for Hitler on a radio network set up by Bose to encourage Indians to fight for freedom. Bose met with Hitler in Germany in 1942.

The T-shirt controversy comes days after Ocasio-Cortez quoted Evita Perón, the first lady of Argentina who was a Nazi sympathizer, in a tweet in response to news that President Donald Trump had compared the two women.

“I know that, like every woman of the people, I have more strength than I appear to have,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted, quoting Peron. She wrote in a second tweet quoting her: “I had watched for many years and seen how a few rich families held much of Argentina’s wealth and power in their hands. So the government brought in an eight hour working day, sickness pay and fair wages to give poor workers a fair go.”

This story "AOC’s Chief-Of-Staff Wears T-Shirt Of Nazi Collaborator" was written by Marcy Oster.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/42...cortez-nazi-adolf-hitler-subhas-chandra-bose/

lol

Note that this magazine doesn't mention the context of why Bose did that. He didn't participate in the killing of Jews so why whine about it?
 
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Well that's kind of my point...we're not talking about average workers, the guys who built the a bomb, h bomb and space missions surely got paid big bonuses? But yes you and nathanbob are right in that clearly there is at least an element of coercion under communism also.
Under Marx, everyone is 'average'. Your needs, not your abilities, determines your wage. A PhD and a janitor have different output but must receive the same wage. But in Soviet Union reality, many PhDs lived luxurious but secret lives, that is, luxurious compared to ordinary Soviets.

https://passportsymphony.com/closed-russian-cities/
In some cases, the people living in these cities were given a permission to enter and re-enter their cities but their lives were as secret as those of KGB agents. They weren’t allowed to share their address with their relatives, not yet talk about the things that happen there. In return for their silence, the residents were rewarded with good healthcare, guaranteed jobs, and private apartments.
But what was 'luxurious' for Cold War era Soviet secret cities was middle class for US.

So regarding your post 31, under Stalin, as a PhD, you would be living barely US middle class, while under capitalism, you would be upper middle class or even higher.
 
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It cant be any worse than the treatment being parted to Kashmiris in India.

1 out of 5 poles were killed in a span of 5 years
i think you can do the arithmetic

Well that's kind of my point...we're not talking about average workers, the guys who built the a bomb, h bomb and space missions surely got paid big bonuses? But yes you and nathanbob are right in that clearly there is at least an element of coercion under communism also.

yeah you are better than the average - average for the soviet union. at any time if the project fails you could be facing a firing squad. that makes for a cool working environment :enjoy:

no German engineer given the choice would go to the Soviet Union. to the degree they went. they had no choice.
there are always a few romantic socialists/communist types as an exception.
 
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AOC is a Trump supporter thorn.

The Palestinian leadership met with Hitler as well - doesn’t remove them as wronged people.

Enemy of my enemy rule applied for Bose as well.
 
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Von braun did not have to come to USA. he did not have to help the Apollo program.
Handing over the V-2 materials gave him a get out of jail card. Not that he would have faced any jail time.
 
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Von braun did not have to come to USA. he did not have to help the Apollo program.
Handing over the V-2 materials gave him a get out of jail card. Not that he would have faced any jail time.
He didn't hand materials over. The Americans took over the v2 factory and adjacent SS mansions after von Braun fled to Austria. They stripped the materials themselves. After Hitler died, von Braun fled the SS and turned himself in to US troops rather than the Soviets. At that stage under interrogation he offered to help, unsurprisingly. He was SS plain and simple. He even witnessed and possibly commanded slave labour as part of his own v2 project.

I'm not criticising him at all for escaping post-war misery in Europe and the ussr in the way he did. Who wouldn't do this? I'm simply highlighting US duplicity in that they will pardon SS members if they are of strategic value. If he fled and went to hide in south America, he would have been on mossad's hit list.

To clarify further about the v2 factory, the US occupied it first and stripped it bare. Then they handed it over to the Soviets once the post-war split of Germany came into force.
 
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He didn't hand materials over. The Americans took over the v2 factory and adjacent SS mansions after von Braun fled to Austria. They stripped the materials themselves. After Hitler died, von Braun fled the SS and turned himself in to US troops rather than the Soviets. At that stage under interrogation he offered to help, unsurprisingly. He was SS plain and simple. He even witnessed and possibly commanded slave labour as part of his own v2 project.

I'm not criticising him at all for escaping post-war misery in Europe and the ussr in the way he did. Who wouldn't do this? I'm simply highlighting US duplicity in that they will pardon SS members if they are of strategic value. If he fled and went to hide in south America, he would have been on mossad's hit list.

To clarify further about the v2 factory, the US occupied it first and stripped it bare. Then they handed it over to the Soviets once the post-war split of Germany came into force.

Excuse me - the main V-2 R&D center (Peenemunde) was deep in Eastern portion of Germany. von Braun moved materials & documents to the Western parts of the Reich with the explicit intention of handing it over to god fearing people (Americans and British - those are his words not mine). It was no accident. He had no way of knowing how the Americans and British would treat him.

I asked clearly what did Von Braun do as a SS officer. you clearly had no interest in finding out. there is no proof that he was even remotely connected to the crimes of the SS.
 
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Excuse me - the main V-2 R&D center (Peenemunde) was deep in Eastern portion of Germany. von Braun moved materials & documents to the Western parts of the Reich with the explicit intention of handing it over to god fearing people (Americans and British - those are his words not mine). It was no accident. He had no way of knowing how the Americans and British would treat him.

I asked clearly what did Von Braun do as a SS officer. you clearly had no interest in finding out. there is no proof that he was even remotely connected to the crimes of the SS.
Not sure why you are so personally offended. It isn't the first or last time USA has shown double standards. Deal with it.

It makes no difference which of the 3 arms of SS he was in. The point is he was exonerated of war crimes because of his value.

From Wikipedia:

"The 1947 Dora Trial convicted SSOfficers and concentration camp kapos, while 3 scientists of the V-2 rocket program were implicated (2 after the trial) and exonerated of Nazi war crimesat the Mittelwerk."

SS guards were charged. SS scientists were exonerated.

Von Braun's testimony about whether he witnessed abuses against camp prisoners at mittelwerk and mittelbaudora changed several times, from outright denial to admitting he saw abuses and did nothing. He also lied about meetings with himmler and wearing the SS uniform.

I have no problem with him doing that - he has to survive in the hands of the Americans by any means necessary....but why deny that he lied about his Nazi credentials and the Americans facilitated these lies as it was in their interests to whitewash him and use him.

"In Lichtblau’s The Nazis Next Door, I learned how the CIA-Pentagon eagerly recruited “ten thousand SS officers from top Third Reich policymakers, including sixteen hundred Nazi scientists and doctors with direct links to Nazi atrocities.” The Pentagon-CIA helped to "cleanse" their war records under the top secret document known as “Project Paperclip.” As Lichtblau explained, it was far easier to enter the US if you held SS Nazi credentials than if you were a victim of Hitler’s persecutions. The government provided thousands of the most heinous Nazi torturers and murderers “visas, houses, offices, and research assistance.” "

https://northamericanreview.org/ope...uited-u-s-cia-pentagon-wwii-jacqueline-marcus

There is plenty of evidence and testimony around of Nazi scientists in general and SPECIFICALLY the v2 engineers being involved in war crimes.

As per Smithsonian institute:

"While the military did what they could to whitewash the pasts of their “prisoners of peace,” as some of the scientists called themselves, many had serious skeletons in their closets. For example, Wernher von Braun was not just one of the brains behind the V-2 rocket program, but had intimate knowledge of what was going on in the concentration camps. Von Braun himself hand-picked people from horrific places, including Buchenwald concentration camp, to work to the bone building his rockets, Jacobsen tells NPR."

SS guards were indicted over such things, yet these scientists were given visas to the USA.

The guy's own testimony about what he did and why is clearly compromised so I doubt the validity of this btw:
"von Braun moved materials & documents to the Western parts of the Reich with the explicit intention of handing it over to god fearing people (Americans and British - those are his words not mine)."
 
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I believe that they had tested a bomb. Some historians have suggested this, though it remains unverified and never will be verified because of the sensitivity around Nazi scientists.

The US is never going to admit that SS officers and scientists were spared Nuremberg so they could assist their own nuke effort after VE day.

Some of those Nazi scientists were taken to USA immediately after Hitler fell. Then double quick, USA is ready to nuke Japan. This is no coincidence in my opinion. A lot has been covered up during the latter parts of WW2, esp where senior Nazis and SS have been "pardoned" because of their knowledge of atomic fission.

The Americans somehow complete a nuke ready for delivery between May and August of 1945, conveniently when the main wave of Nazi scientists is spirited away from Europe to work for the US army, and you don't think it's probable that those Nazis knew what they were doing because of their own recent tests in Germany?

Nazi scientists were ahead of their American and Russian counterparts in fission, rocketry and various surgical/medical fields. It was Nazi expertise that led to American and Russian advances in these fields so soon after Hitler fell. Genocide of the Jews was forgiven for those scientists who could help USA or Russia.

There were more German born Nobel prize (Physics/Chemistry) winners on the Manhattan project than in Hitler Nazi nuclear program.

for every field Nazis were ahead the Allies were ahead in 10 other fields.
 
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You got white *** so he would have spared you?
oh man never kill someone with a white ***
only pure blooded "Aryan" whites
isn't it cute that Iranians were the first people who called them aryan... . Germans look more nordic than aryan.
however there is a name in Persian called aryan meaning white aryan. lol i bet you are confused.
 
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