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To Pakistanis, Turks, Westerners, and Chinese,

Any of you guys operating SSD in your computer? If so what do you think of it? Also which SSD brand are you operating and with what machine?

SSD seems to be the DSD of the future.
 
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Currently, SSD in spite of it's extraordinary reading and data transfer rate and processing capability, it may reduce battery life for many contemporary computer platforms, that is something to consider.
 
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I have an intel 80GB micro SSD as my boot drive in T420.
Actually SSD prolongs the battery life as the power consumption is very low and no mechanical parts, although the difference is only marginal. The boot times and access times are extremely fast.

SSDs are getting cheaper by the day and certainly worth the money.
 
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I have an intel 80GB micro SSD as my boot drive in T420.
Actually SSD prolongs the battery life as the power consumption is very low and no mechanical parts. The boot times and access times are extremely fast.

Ah your right.

On the other hand, if you have a solid-state drive (SSD) in your system, then you can more extensively use sleep mode to help preserve battery life. SSD devices use far less power than a mechanical drive, and therefore can power up and down without draining the battery as much.

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I think I may have mistakenly confused that for HDD drives that have higher RPMs, for example a 5400 rpm vs 7200 rpm, the 7200 rpm tends to drain battery life more considering higher power consumption and energy usage. As you mentioned SSD has no external mechanical parts, it's literally a single solid state drive and it's incredibly efficient, also very silent when processing.

In the future I will definitely install SSD, but my computer is pretty solid and has great performance already so as of now I have little incentive to upgrade.
 
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A comparison, in data reading and writing SSD is vastly superior to HDD. It is silent and can supposedly withstand higher operating temperatures.
 
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Krap......

That explains my experience with SSD..
I bought Corsair Nova 2 and my computer now hangs at simplest of tasks such as checking email,and its a 3 Ghz Quadcore.
Unless you are in an extremely quiet environment and want to cut down every decibels of noise from your computer or want a power efficient system,try to stay away from SSD..
Win 7 has many issues with SSD,and i am now using win8 customer preview and same..Even tried with Linux Ubuntu..same....It slowed down my system...
If you insis on SSD but expensive,top of the range brands,otherwise dont bother..
The best option will be to use SATA 3 normal hard drives in the good old,well trusted RAID 0..Thats the way to go.
 
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Wow but not surprising. Is there anything HDD definitively beats SSD in? I can't think of one.
 
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Nop..don't believe in any of those numbers from practical experience....
 
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Krap......

That explains my experience with SSD..
I bought Corsair Nova 2 and my computer now hangs at simplest of tasks such as checking email,and its a 3 Ghz Quadcore.
Unless you are in an extremely quiet environment and want to cut down every decibels of noise from your computer or want a power efficient system,try to stay away from SSD..
Win 7 has many issues with SSD,and i am now using win8 customer preview and same..Even tried with Linux Ubuntu..same....It slowed down my system...
If you insis on SSD but expensive,top of the range brands,otherwise dont bother..
The best option will be to use SATA 3 normal hard drives in the good old,well trusted RAID 0..Thats the way to go.


I was reading not all SSDs are optimal for particular systems, that because there are different types of SSD i.e SLC and MLC are geared towards specific systems, if that makes sense.

I think it could be Windowa 7 OS isn't efficiently utilizing the SSD thoroughly, and the way it indexes data may be a problem to. So the problem could be with Windows 7 and not SSD. Try reinstalling your HDD see if that makes a difference.
 
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To Pakistanis, Turks, Westerners, and Chinese,

Any of you guys operating SSD in your computer? If so what do you think of it? Also which SSD brand are you operating and with what machine?

SSD seems to be the processor of the future.
Solid state drive is not a 'processor'. It is a storage type like the 'spinner' hard drive and no, it does not drain your laptop battery.

The SSD is going to replace the spinner. The main reason why SSD is still expensive for the consumers is because the big businesses are buying them up straight from the manufacturers. We are talking about NYSE, Amazon, Google, Boeing, GE, etc...etc...Every second gain and every IOPS increase ended up with million$$$ in sales. When they buy in volume, they get serious discounts. Whatever left over per quarter is for the average consumers. I get employee discount so I have several SSDs at home. A 64gb in my Linux desktop, a 64gb in my mobile USB storage, a 128gb in my laptop, a 40gb in basement server, and a 64gb spare for anything. All are MLC.

Do not be alarmed by the write limits for SSDs. They are FUD (fear uncertainty doubt) mongers. There are plenty of online sources that detailed how SSDs are spanked and it would take literally years before an SSD is rendered unwriteable. If a person is running Windows 7, odds are very good that he will install Windows 20 before his SSD fail. We have a dozen Verigy testers at work running SSDs full blast for the last couple years with no hiccups.

For example...

SSD Myths and Legends - "write endurance" article in StorageSearch.com
To get that very high speed the process will have to write big blocks (which also simplifies the calculation).

We assume perfect wear leveling which means we need to fill the disk 2 million times to get to the write endurance limit.

2 million (write endurance) x 64G (capacity) divided by 80M bytes / sec gives the endurance limited life in seconds.

That's a meaningless number - which needs to be divided by seconds in an hour, hours in a day etc etc to give...

The end result is 51 years!
Is it possible to kill an SSD ? Yes, take 64gb of multi-level cell (MLC) and erase/write completely -- all 64gb -- over and over and over for a few years. You have to hit all 64gb.

That said, there are 'tiers' of SSD manufacturers. The 'tier 1' are the major names like Intel or Samsung or Sony and so on. They will demand no less than 'tier 1' product from their suppliers. These SSDs will last for years and even decades. OCZ was once 'tier 3', the lowest, now they are clawing up the chain to be a 'tier 1' SSD manufacturer. Buy Intel or Crucial or Samsung if one can afford it. Then take one's chances with OCZ or Patriot or some other offbeat brands.

Tier 1 products or 'dies' are those that passed manufacturing with literally no rework/retest. They fetch premium prices for both MLC and SLC types. If a die is built as 64gb it will go out the door as 64gb and that is a tier 1 die. If a die must be reworked/retested it may go out the door as 64gb but with fewer reserve cells so it may sell as a tier 2 die. If a die was built as 64gb but for whatever reason only 32gb (or less) is functional, then it would sell as a tier 3 die. Different manufacturers have different terminologies for these levels of quality dies but they are all the same in essence with the prime die the most expensive and desirable.

So it is possible to kill an SSD in as short as a few months or even weeks of use depending on manufacturer. But if the drive is from a well known brand whose brand reputation is important, then the user will experience failure of peripheral items such as the drive's controller or the circuit board to fail before the NAND cells themselves will fail.

Krap......

That explains my experience with SSD..
I bought Corsair Nova 2 and my computer now hangs at simplest of tasks such as checking email,and its a 3 Ghz Quadcore.
Unless you are in an extremely quiet environment and want to cut down every decibels of noise from your computer or want a power efficient system,try to stay away from SSD..
Win 7 has many issues with SSD,and i am now using win8 customer preview and same..Even tried with Linux Ubuntu..same....It slowed down my system...
If you insis on SSD but expensive,top of the range brands,otherwise dont bother..
The best option will be to use SATA 3 normal hard drives in the good old,well trusted RAID 0..Thats the way to go.
Check your mobo's BIOS. If it is old enough, its controller may not recognize an SSD and that could be the cause of your problems. All my mobos are socket 775. That is how behind I am to the gamers. Yet all of them run SSDs with no problems.

I was reading not all SSDs are optimal for particular systems, that because there are different types of SSD i.e SLC and MLC are geared towards specific systems, if that makes sense.

I think it could be Windowa 7 OS isn't efficiently utilizing the SSD processor thoroughly, and the way it indexes data may be a problem to. So the problem could be with Windows 7 and not SSD. Try reinstalling your HDD see if that makes a difference.
Single level cell (SLC) have the fastest read/write speed and the most desirable by businesses. They are not cheap. Multi level cell (MLC) are slower but with higher capacity and lower write limits. But an MLC will still beat a Raptor 10k any day.
 
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Solid state drive is not a 'processor'. It is a storage type like the 'spinner' hard drive and no, it does not drain your laptop battery.

The SSD is going to replace the spinner. The main reason why SSD is still expensive for the consumers is because the big businesses are buying them up straight from the manufacturers. We are talking about NYSE, Amazon, Google, Boeing, GE, etc...etc...Every second gain and every IOPS increase ended up with million$$$ in sales. When they buy in volume, they get serious discounts. Whatever left over per quarter is for the average consumers. I get employee discount so I have several SSDs at home. A 64gb in my Linux desktop, a 64gb in my mobile USB storage, a 128gb in my laptop, a 40gb in basement server, and a 64gb spare for anything. All are MLC.

Do not be alarmed by the write limits for SSDs. They are FUD (fear uncertainty doubt) mongers. There are plenty of online sources that detailed how SSDs are spanked and it would take literally years before an SSD is rendered unwriteable. If a person is running Windows 7, odds are very good that he will install Windows 20 before his SSD fail. We have a dozen Verigy testers at work running SSDs full blast for the last couple years with no hiccups.

For example...

SSD Myths and Legends - "write endurance" article in StorageSearch.com

Is it possible to kill an SSD ? Yes, take 64gb of multi-level cell (MLC) and erase/write completely -- all 64gb -- over and over and over for a few years. You have to hit all 64gb.

That said, there are 'tiers' of SSD manufacturers. The 'tier 1' are the major names like Intel or Samsung or Sony and so on. They will demand no less than 'tier 1' product from their suppliers. These SSDs will last for years and even decades. OCZ was once 'tier 3', the lowest, now they are clawing up the chain to be a 'tier 1' SSD manufacturer. Buy Intel or Crucial or Samsung if one can afford it. Then take one's chances with OCZ or Patriot or some other offbeat brands.

Tier 1 products or 'dies' are those that passed manufacturing with literally no rework/retest. They fetch premium prices for both MLC and SLC types. If a die is built as 64gb it will go out the door as 64gb and that is a tier 1 die. If a die must be reworked/retested it may go out the door as 64gb but with fewer reserve cells so it may sell as a tier 2 die. If a die was built as 64gb but for whatever reason only 32gb (or less) is functional, then it would sell as a tier 3 die. Different manufacturers have different terminologies for these levels of quality dies but they are all the same in essence with the prime die the most expensive and desirable.

So it is possible to kill an SSD in as short as a few months or even weeks of use depending on manufacturer. But if the drive is from a well known brand whose brand reputation is important, then the user will experience failure of peripheral items such as the drive's controller or the circuit board to fail before the NAND cells themselves will fail.


Check your mobo's BIOS. If it is old enough, its controller may not recognize an SSD and that could be the cause of your problems. All my mobos are socket 775. That is how behind I am to the gamers. Yet all of them run SSDs with no problems.

Solid state drive is not a 'processor'. It is a storage type like the 'spinner' hard drive and no, it does not drain your laptop battery.

Right, I do know that. I shouldn't have called it a processor.

The main reason why SSD is still expensive for the consumers is because the big businesses are buying them up straight from the manufacturers.

If you buy directly from manufacturer they are relatively expensive if you purchase from third party or other market sources the prices are less expensive. Some even around $150-$200.
 
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If you buy directly from manufacturer they are relatively expensive if you purchase from third party or other market sources the prices are less expensive. Some even around $150-$200.
You take your chances with them. Only three names are trusted by those who have million$$$ to spare: Intel, Crucial, and Samsung. Crucial is a wholly own sub of Micron Tech, my old employer. These three manufacture their own SSDs from silicon to packaging. The others buy components and assemble. They bid, beg, scrounge, or simply act like hyenas for scraps per quarter. Take your pick.
 
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Intel's 520 series Sata III SSD is one I'm looking at...

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This one runs at 6 GBps


Just checked Intels website highest memory capacity they offer is 480 GB that's less than I currently have, but it depends on how important is memory to you.
 
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You take your chances with them. Only three names are trusted by those who have million$$$ to spare: Intel, Crucial, and Samsung. Crucial is a wholly own sub of Micron Tech, my old employer. These three manufacture their own SSDs from silicon to packaging. The others buy components and assemble. They bid, beg, scrounge, or simply act like hyenas for scraps per quarter. Take your pick.

That is true, only the very best will do for my computer. When choosing a computer DSD or other computer hardware it is best to go with reliable professional company brand products. You mentioned OCZ earlier I've been reading about them and their rating appears to be going up, but I'm not too familiar but I have seen their products online.


This is one site I was referring to about other sources besides the manufacturer, they sell a variety of SSDs.

OWC Mercury Electra 3G Solid State Drive (SSD) Solutions - High Performance, Reliability, and Endurance
 
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Bigger the capacity of SSD, faster it is.
Safriz, yes in the past SSDs were not that stable but now they are very good.
Main reason i chose SSD was its ruggedness and robustness.

Seagate has also developed a hybrid drive which has conventional moving platters but also contains SSD. According to benchmarks its faster than normal HDDs.

Intel's 520 series Sata III SSD is one I'm looking at...

302eb_SSD_Rope_03_610x426.jpg


This one runs at 6 GBps


Just checked Intels website highest memory capacity they offer is 480 GB that's less than I currently have, but it depends on how important is memory to you.

Your Mobo has Sata III interface? otherwise stick to 320 series unless you want to future proof your investment, if you are upgrading in the near future.
 
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