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another usaid-cia plan exposed in cuba

you know, cuba has one of the best ( and free ) medical systems in the world... and they don't have vast oil reserves.

like i said above, what is the point of a nation calling itself "emerging economic power" and bragging about billions of dollars earned from "software/services sector" when people die of hunger and when people commit suicide because of socio-economic reasons?? there was money but it was spent of armaments and other non-necessary items... same for pakistan.

I think communism is a very demonized concept. These are some good things about it:
Benefits of Communism
Communism is a political thought that suffer from large-scale public condemnation. Although countries like North Korea, Cuba and China still continue to practice communism in its modified forms, it has been widely-accepted all over the world that state controlled economy is a downright failure. However, despite condemnation, why have a few countries continued to maintain this political system? Is communism a practical idea? In a few days, communism may be just as practical as any other capitalist concept and can bring about development in a country. Let us look at some of the benefits of communism.
1. People are equal.

In a communist regime, people are treated equal regardless of education, financial stability, and so on, in the eyes of the government. Economic boundaries don’t separate or categorize people, a situation that eliminates crime and violence.
2. Every citizen can keep a job.

In a Communist system, people are entitled to have jobs. Because the government owns all the means of production, the government can provide jobs for at least a majority of the people. Everyone in a communist country is given enough work opportunities for them to live and survive. Every citizen, however, must do his or her part for the economy, to receive pay and incentives.
3. An internally stable economic system

In communism, the government rules the economy so stability is out of the question. Every citizen is required to work in order to receive benefits, and those that don’t have corresponding sanctions. This creates an incentive to participate and to help in economic growth.
4. Establishment of stronger social communities

In communism, there are certain laws, rules and goals in allocating resources and responsibilities. If the citizens abide by these laws, this leads to a harmonious spirit of sharing with one goal. This consequently builds stronger social communities, and an even stronger economy.
5. No competition.

In communist societies, everyone is created equal. This means that everyone can work hard equally and harmoniously without stepping on each other’s backs. All the work, responsibility, and all the rewards reaped are shared equally among the citizens. If people have no sense of envy, jealousy or ambitions that counter the goals of the state, then a harmonious economic development can be maintained.
6. Efficient distribution of resources

In a communist society, the sense of cooperation allows for healthy communistic systems. This means that communist societies are very efficient at resource distribution even in localized areas. This is very important especially in times of need and in emergency situations.
Communism is a political thought based on sharing of efforts and sharing of resources. Although today, no self-sustaining country has used ideal communist policy, modified forms can still be considered practical. However, as long as the advantages of capitalism remain to be the dominant economic system in the world, citizens and countries will obviously choose it over communism. There seems to be no room for this political ideology in this age of consumerism and private entrepreneurship, but communism still has its practical aspects, especially in controlling natural resources.

Have you heard of the band Laal, @jamahir?

Also @Norwegian there is no other more sensible poster on this site than Jamahir. You don't buy the socialism ideal I don't fully either. But you gotta admire how this guy never gets offended or never makes emotional posts.

I remember while studying abroad how teachers used to abuse communism. We have been raised to see the capitalist system very positively. It has its advantages but it has its flaws as well.
 
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Come to the USA....and don't get a job..you will get:

come on... not all is true.

7. superb irrigation system.

must be as you say.

5. medical treatment ( top class ) for free

there are countless americans who come to india for medical treatment because it is cheaper here, not much of patient queue ( as in usa ) and the doctors are western-system trained mostly.

someone who lives in usa told me that unless one has insurance, a tetanus injection costs 100+ dollars... that is what i remember.

4. education system ( of one's choice ) locally for free (up until college)

and are those the "community colleges"?? what is the employment prospects for such a student versus someone from carnegie mellon university??

maybe the military pays in exchange for military service?? and why do american students run up so much debt??

1. free housing
2. water and electricity are free (and heating ).

free housing?? what kind of houses and what kind of areas??

free water, electricity, heating?? let this point and above be confirmed by some south asian member who's in usa.

usa has many homeless people's shelters and conditions there are not top class.
 
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come on... not all is true.

there are countless americans who come to india for medical treatment because it is cheaper here, not much of patient queue ( as in usa ) and the doctors are western-system trained mostly.

someone who lives in usa told me that unless one has insurance, a tetanus injection costs 100+ dollars... that is what i remember.

If you are POOR you get better medical coverage than somebody who has the best medical insurance.

Poor people are treated incredibly well.

That's why I said come here....and don't get a job.

But according to your records you guys say the black population is not even 15%. So you admit that the black population is not fully recorded in the USA?

30% is not white...that doesn't mean they are all black (there are others you know)
 
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I think communism is a very demonized concept.

absolutely.

Have you heard of the band Laal, @jamahir?

no... pakistani??

and you know, only a few days ago, bongbang spoke of the bangladeshi "red maulana". :D

Also @Norwegian there is no other more sensible poster on this site than Jamahir. You don't buy the socialism ideal I don't fully either. But you gotta admire how this guy never gets offended or never makes emotional posts.

thanks for that, my friend... truly like what you said. :-)

I remember while studying abroad how teachers used to abuse communism. We have been raised to see the capitalist system very positively. It has its advantages but it has its flaws as well.

true... and even in the anglo nations, there is now the occupy movements, which peter-c is not mentioning.

i must go now to watch two serials... i will be back in one hour and reply to your long quote. :)
 
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true... and even in the anglo nations, there is now the occupy movements, which peter-c is not mentioning.

I can't speak for other countries but the "Occupy Wall street" was just yet another type of protest. It didn't really gather much mainstream support.
 
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absolutely.



no... pakistani??

and you know, only a few days ago, bongbang spoke of the bangladeshi "red maulana". :D

That is such an attrocity. You haven't heard of laal? Have you heard of Faiz Ahmed Faiz or Habib Jalib? Their songs are included in the band laals cd. They have communist leanings and even have a party going which advocates socialism.

Laal is the colour of communism which was probably why they chose the name. Here is one video of them:


Here is their wikipedia page. We Pakistanis watch star plus gayatri mayatri and you don't know anything about Pakistan and the communist movement.

Laal (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now we should offer Jamahir Pakistani citizenship.:D

true... and even in the anglo nations, there is now the occupy movements, which peter-c is not mentioning.

i must go now to watch two serials... i will be back in one hour and reply to your long quote. :)

Keep posting mate. Norwegian has some problem even I don't understand.
 
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If you are POOR you get better medical coverage than somebody who has the best medical insurance

so why does usa government engage in constant destabilizing of other societies which also want to give their citizens the best comforts, facilities, justices??

I can't speak for other countries but the "Occupy Wall street" was just yet another type of protest. It didn't really gather much mainstream support.

it seems stalled now because... (1). usa government inserted cia fronts like "avaaz foundation" to create disunity and diversion in the movement, (2). the "occupy wall street" have sadly taken short-sighted politically-naive objectives but ows can be made good by better involvement of the communist part of usa, (3). usa establishment keeps the public busy in consumerisms and painful-to-hear ( for me ) talk shows and fashions and sensational wars and careers, never giving the masses chance to think "are we going right??"

remember the two rumors put out in 2011 by american media connected to the government... "muammar gaddafi has a hand in the occupy movement" and "russian and chinese governments are feeding the protestors and giving them tents and blankets [ some such ]"??

look at some of the complaints the ows has against "them"...
  • They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
  • They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
  • They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
  • They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
  • They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
  • They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
  • They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

these go contrary to what you said.

That is such an attrocity. You haven't heard of laal? Have you heard of Faiz Ahmed Faiz or Habib Jalib?

of course i know of faiz but sadly never read any of his poems... i didn't know of habib jalib... iqbal was also a socialist, at least an inspired one if not a hardcore activist.

tomorrow i will search some second hand book shops in bangalore for faiz's poems and if possible, his biography.

Here is one video of them:


the song is essentially a simple-worded slogan and performed very nicely with sensible imagery... i will listen to their other songs.

We Pakistanis watch star plus gayatri mayatri and you don't know anything about Pakistan and the communist movement.

i know a bit about socialism in pakistan... there was especially a detailed post that @pak-marine had made some years ago when i was not a member but a reader... fatima bhutto's "songs of blood and sword" gives some more description of pakistani socialism though some of it contradicts the detail in pak-marine's post... it seems malala yousafzai sees socialism as the way for pakistan... i keep trying to build a big-picture of pakistani socialism but becoming a member of pdf leaves me not much time for searching other information. :D

Now we should offer Jamahir Pakistani citizenship.:D

why not?? :D

since 2011, i have been trying to arrange a unification platform for all south asian progressive groups... but forgive me that i can't speak more of that on pdf. :)

your "benefits of communism" post is very sensible and calm. :tup: and i must add to that quote, true communism has not arrived... please do read this post ( The Worldwide Government | Page 3 ) from a thread before you again became active.

Keep posting mate. Norwegian has some problem even I don't understand.
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thank you.

and truly, i was shocked by the words used by norwegian in this thread... he's otherwise good to me.

what is it, @Norwegian ?? :D
 
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so why does usa government engage in constant destabilizing of other societies which also want to give their citizens the best comforts, facilities, justices??

No idea. Maybe they just have nothing better to do.

remember the two rumors put out in 2011 by american media connected to the government... "muammar gaddafi has a hand in the occupy movement" and "russian and chinese governments are feeding the protestors and giving them tents and blankets [ some such ]"??

LOL. No, this is the first I have ever heard of both these rumors. If they want to give them tents then so be it. There isn't anything illegal about that.
 
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What ever US does is for safeguarding and furthering its interests but one thing that I consider is wrong is that they act like they are the guardians of humanity while doing all the dirty tricks....
 
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Come to the USA....and don't get a job..you will get:...


...a boot up their @ss and a one way ticket home is what they should get.:usflag:

Not surprised... US government will do whatever to take down any country that says no to them,... talk about democracy.. they don't accept no for an answer...

Lebanon says, 'GET OUT, SYRIA' !!:nana:
 
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