The Worldwide Government

[Hiptullha]

But how to elect such a government? How will it preserve the interest of countries with minimum geopolitical importance?

The first ever government should be made up of leading businessmen, scientists, technocrats etc. who are much less biased than politicians. The job of this government is to keep the world united and also to find promising youth who can be taken to special education centers across the globe where they are taught to lead and to reject culture and nationhood.

 

[damm1t]

From my perspective this one govt. thingy is dangerous for humanity because of following reasons...

1- One world government = one type world.
One govt system will come with common languages, currency, banking and monetary system, regime, education and health care... Common languages will be taught in the schools along with your own language & history & culture but your grandchildren may not speak it... your culture will start dying slowly and steadily. At the end of day just after a couple of generations we will have one-type human being who speaks some common languages, think the same way with others. Look at the young boys and girls around you, celebrities, fashion and daily trends making them so damn similar...It's already happening...

2- Danger of no borders.
Freedom of trade and freedom of movement will cause fights; People will move anywhere they want to live and this situation will disturb many of locals...Think about it; EU countries come from similar common culture, to be an union is relatively easier for them ( except imperlialism and colonism ) but is it the same for Israelis and Arabs, Turks and Greeks, Pakistanis and Indıans or Chienese? What about Korean bros? Sorry but I wouldn't live with more than half of the world.. This will cause problems and local unrests.

3- Who will run?
Ok we have a new-born govt. And represantatives from countries choose who will lead us, looks similar yeah? (UN)... You think that Citizen of World thing will happen in one night? Which country will have more vote right? Its up to economic, military power or population? Or principle of equality?? Will US accept to have very same vote power with Brundi? I don't think so...

4- No rivalry no success babe...
As an example, The Soviet - Usa arm race and European imperialism/colonism ambitiouses led the current tech to present day and then the other players included then it continued developing over again and again. Even today countries trying to be the best in some specific fields, be it military, medical & health, daily use techs like smartphones and tablets, transportation, space tech etc... and this rivalry boosts the tecnological development speed of our kind.

Cultures, nations, countries, languages are the wealth of our world, our diifrencies are what make us human, Dutch, Turk, Arap, French, Mexican... We have to keep it to the end

 

[vostok]

I would not mind the World Socialist Government, but totalitarian control of mega-corporations and their puppets - Western "rulers" - I rather die than admit it.

 

[jamahir]

this is one of the best threads in history of pdf.

many of my posts speak of a unified humanity where money and present religions have been declared obsolete and removed... many of my posts speak of the scientific and natural idea of "world socialism"... some of my posts speak of ways to achieve that.

below are some of those posts... please give time and read...

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why would you have objections to the below...

the "communist society for all humans" is the end vision of modern socialism... it is a human-wide society where governments have fallen, national militaries have been disbanded, oppressions through money, tradition or family have been abolished, and people rule themselves ( self-governance )... this has essentially been the vision from the old greek philosophers who spoke of democracy ( demokratia, demokratos )... down to christianity and islam... down to the french revolution... down to the russian revolution and after... down to the libyan jamahiriya... a continuous refinement and progression...

it is time to take humanity to the next step towards the "communist society".

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"jamahiriya" is a word invented in muammar gadddafi's libya... it refers to libya being "a society governed by the masses"... "a direct democracy "... it derives from two arabi words... "jamah" meaning group or gathering or people... and remotely from "jamhooriya" meaning democracy or modern republic.

this new word, jamahiriya, was needed because the 1969 "al fatah" socialist revolution in libya brought a different concept of government into mainstream, where the people rule themselves... every person participates in governing of this society... "direct democracy"... similar to "referendums" in switzerland but with a socialist political basis... "jamahiriya" is a natural idea, quite scientific.

my user-name, "jamahir", refers to a revolutionary person who forwards the jamahiriya idea, or lives under a jamahiriya system.

in jamahiriya, there is no political party and no elections... what the people decide at local level affects functioning at national level... please read these...

1. ( Refworld | Libya: Great Green Charter of Human Rights of the Jamahiriyan Era )... features of a jamahiriya society.

2. ( The Green Book - I )... details of how a jamahiriya society is arranged in practice.

and there is the idea of "world jamahiriya" where all of humanity is governed under the direct-democracy basis of "jamahiriya".

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all of you... stop this nonsense about who lived where and when.

all of you... think of living in a world without borders, without visa, without military.

all of you... look at photos of earth from space. do you see the borders you see on political maps??

all of you... think of living among humanity, with a single governing socialist system, with true democracy and justice and freedoms.

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little cuba sent a few hundreds of thousands of soldiers to fight for socialism in angola ( southern africa ) is the 1970's and 80's... the same little cuba has now sent its famous medical personnel to fight ebola in west africa.

what was their motivation??

did they want to cut diamond deals in angola?? diamonds for use in trade and military purposes?? possibly... but why not just sit back, let that war decide its victor and then do deal with the victor??

why send a team to ebola-affected areas?? to get sample of ebola virus for bio-weapons programs?? possibly... but surely, one can just send a secret team and kidnap a ebola patient... why endanger a whole open team?? and consequently, others in cuba on their return??

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you know, i just let myself be naive and innocent... that is the only way i will believe in the goodness of others beyond the supposed goodness of my local ethnicity and my local religion.

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there are two ways to make socialism and communism the governing system of a society... alone, using technological means... or by organizing a group and using technological means and other means... your choice, either way... and i will support you, either way.

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@giger @vostok @Ailurus fulgens @halupridol @levina @Mahmoud_EGY @Syrian Lion @KingMamba @Hiptullha @Owl of Abott @genmirajborgza786 @Azlan Haider @ChineseTiger1986 @Beidou2020 @Spring Onion @Akheilos and everyone else...

 

[halupridol]

dreamers,dreamers
socialism is anti thesis of human nature.
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"every utopia faces the same problem:what do you do with people who dont fit in?"

 

[jamahir]

dreamers,dreamers

until colonel yuri gagarin wasn't in space in 1961, travel beyond the skies was thought to be of dreamers... and now, elon musk is quite on the way to achieve settlement on mars by 2025... he is a practical person... so am i...

dreamers,dreamers

why did the nato and proxies murder 200,000+ citizens of libyan jamahiriya just since 2011?? and of 150,000+ syrians since 2011?? and of a few thousand venezuelans since 2011??

nato has a dream... so have the defenders of those nations...

socialism is anti thesis of human nature.

actually, socialism is the most natural of systems... the automatic response of any sensible person.

"every utopia faces the same problem:what do you do with people who dont fit in?"

as i have asked in my previous post... "why should anyone have objections to socialism"... so those who don't fit-in, don't care for justice or freedoms or being gentle or being caring or being humane or being progressive... and therefore must be removed or sent away... simple as that...

dreamers,dreamers

human-wide socialism won't happen unless we become fanatical in ensuring its existence.

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@Mugwop @Ravi Nair @Imran Khan... sorry, i hadn't tagged you in the previous post.

 

[Levina]

this is one of the best threads in history of pdf.

many of my posts speak of a unified humanity where money and present religions have been declared obsolete and removed... many of my posts speak of the scientific and natural idea of "world socialism"... some of my posts speak of ways to achieve that.

below are some of those posts... please give time and read...

------------------------------------------

why would you have objections to the below...

the "communist society for all humans" is the end vision of modern socialism... it is a human-wide society where governments have fallen, national militaries have been disbanded, oppressions through money, tradition or family have been abolished, and people rule themselves ( self-governance )... this has essentially been the vision from the old greek philosophers who spoke of democracy ( demokratia, demokratos )... down to christianity and islam... down to the french revolution... down to the russian revolution and after... down to the libyan jamahiriya... a continuous refinement and progression...

it is time to take humanity to the next step towards the "communist society".

------------------------------------------

"jamahiriya" is a word invented in muammar gadddafi's libya... it refers to libya being "a society governed by the masses"... "a direct democracy "... it derives from two arabi words... "jamah" meaning group or gathering or people... and remotely from "jamhooriya" meaning democracy or modern republic.

this new word, jamahiriya, was needed because the 1969 "al fatah" socialist revolution in libya brought a different concept of government into mainstream, where the people rule themselves... every person participates in governing of this society... "direct democracy"... similar to "referendums" in switzerland but with a socialist political basis... "jamahiriya" is a natural idea, quite scientific.

my user-name, "jamahir", refers to a revolutionary person who forwards the jamahiriya idea, or lives under a jamahiriya system.

in jamahiriya, there is no political party and no elections... what the people decide at local level affects functioning at national level... please read these...

1. ( Refworld | Libya: Great Green Charter of Human Rights of the Jamahiriyan Era )... features of a jamahiriya society.

2. ( The Green Book - I )... details of how a jamahiriya society is arranged in practice.

and there is the idea of "world jamahiriya" where all of humanity is governed under the direct-democracy basis of "jamahiriya".

------------------------------------------

all of you... stop this nonsense about who lived where and when.

all of you... think of living in a world without borders, without visa, without military.

all of you... look at photos of earth from space. do you see the borders you see on political maps??

all of you... think of living among humanity, with a single governing socialist system, with true democracy and justice and freedoms.

------------------------------------------

little cuba sent a few hundreds of thousands of soldiers to fight for socialism in angola ( southern africa ) is the 1970's and 80's... the same little cuba has now sent its famous medical personnel to fight ebola in west africa.

what was their motivation??

did they want to cut diamond deals in angola?? diamonds for use in trade and military purposes?? possibly... but why not just sit back, let that war decide its victor and then do deal with the victor??

why send a team to ebola-affected areas?? to get sample of ebola virus for bio-weapons programs?? possibly... but surely, one can just send a secret team and kidnap a ebola patient... why endanger a whole open team?? and consequently, others in cuba on their return??

------------------------------------------

you know, i just let myself be naive and innocent... that is the only way i will believe in the goodness of others beyond the supposed goodness of my local ethnicity and my local religion.

------------------------------------------

there are two ways to make socialism and communism the governing system of a society... alone, using technological means... or by organizing a group and using technological means and other means... your choice, either way... and i will support you, either way.

------------------------------------------

@giger @vostok @Ailurus fulgens @halupridol @levina @Mahmoud_EGY @Syrian Lion @KingMamba @Hiptullha @Owl of Abott @genmirajborgza786 @Azlan Haider @ChineseTiger1986 @Beidou2020 @Spring Onion @Akheilos and everyone else...

Are you planning to be the next TTA??

Well in my opinion a world government would come with its own pros and cons.

PROs:
1) you won't make any more nuclear weapons.And what for?? To nuke yourself??
2) no emigrations and migration issues.If you've the money you can make a house anywhere in the world.
3) more inter religious and continental marriages. I've heard that the kids of such a couple are usually more intelligent (@halupridol : verify)
So we might have a more intelligent generation.
4) reduced economic disparity caused by unfair trade practices.
5) the 3rd world countries would also get an equal opportunity to develop.
6)lesser discrimination....

And what not....this would be an ideal world to live in.

But every coin has 2 sides...

CONs
1) What would happen if such a government becomes corrupt and irresponsible?? (though I see a lesser chance of that happening)
How would we get rid of the governed then??
2) such a government would make one suit fits all kinda policies, this won't help. Ppl around the world have different needs and different culture.So such a government might fail under its own weight.

But if governing a country with different states is possible then a world government is also possible....but right now it's too soon for a worldwide government.
We might get to that point ultimately is what I believe.

@damm1t your post was a pragmatic take on it.

 

[jamahir]

Are you planning to be the next TTA??

me and @LoveIcon sahaab were certainly talking of taking control of pdf... coup d'etat...

PROs:

1) you won't make any more nuclear weapons.And what for?? To nuke yourself??
2) no emigrations and migration issues.If you've the money you can make a house anywhere in the world.
3) more inter religious and continental marriages. I've heard that the kids of such a couple are usually more intelligent (@halupridol : verify)
So we might have a more intelligent generation.
4) reduced economic disparity caused by unfair trade practices.
5) the 3rd world countries would also get an equal opportunity to develop.
6)lesser discrimination....

And what not....this would be an ideal world to live in.

1. correct... and present nuclear weapons can be used for the actual peaceful purpose of propelling huge deep-space spacecraft at very high speeds... truly, this is a 50 year old idea... ( Nuclear pulse propulsion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

2. no visa, no passport... potentially, come anywhere, go anywhere.

3. religion must cease to exist... but yes from the starting point your point is correct... and yes for inter-race children... though i must say, the present number of males are too many, so there should really be a flood of females... but why did you tag halu pridol??

4. no money system means no economy... therefore no oppressions by money at person-to-person level or by economics at governments at system level.

5. and 6. absolutely... the only thing deciding one's life would be contribution and capability... the one who produces, must consume... old socialist credo.

But every coin has 2 sides...

CONs
1) What would happen if such a government becomes corrupt and irresponsible?? (though I see a lesser chance of that happening)
How would we get rid of the governed then??
2) such a government would make one suit fits all kinda policies, this won't help. Ppl around the world have different needs and different culture.So such a government might fail under its own weight.

1. the current leaders would be chosen by the people using "direct democracy"... every person will give their opinion on a leader's selection and continuation... no political parties, no money, all is free to everyone... so lesser chance of corruption.

2. not really... true socialism is for the individual... and the individual is the one who makes society... and culture... like hiptulha implied above... too much of details from different cultures are the things that spoil a unified humanity... the government will have only one culture... common sense and fanatic socialism... hope i make sense.

But if governing a country with different states is possible then a world government is also possible....but right now it's too soon for a worldwide government.

isn't all the wars, destructions, deaths in the last three years an urgent indication of a human-wide single goverment?? and nothing is ever too soon.

 

[liall]

only rich countries would object to it.

 

[jamahir]

Cultures, nations, countries, languages are the wealth of our world, our diifrencies are what make us human, Dutch, Turk, Arap, French, Mexican... We have to keep it to the end

and you will keep the hatreds and the arrogances to the end.

 

[damm1t]

and you will keep the hatreds and the arrogances to the end.

There is no other way around mate, our kind is imperfect )

 

[Levina]

1. correct... and present nuclear weapons can be used for the actual peaceful purpose of propelling huge deep-space spacecraft at very high speeds... truly, this is a 50 year old idea... ( Nuclear pulse propulsion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

I wasn't aware about nuclear pulse propulsion.

3. religion must cease to exist... but yes from the starting point your point is correct... and yes for inter-race children... though i must say, the present number of males are too many, so there should really be a flood of females... but why did you tag halu pridol??

I don't agree completely.
Religion brings a certain discipline in one's life.Its sad that every religion is misinterpreted. But then when human beings will start thinking on a higher plane that too would cease to exist.

I tagged halupridol bcoz he's a doc and he could've confirmed if what I said was right or wrong.

1. the current leaders would be chosen by the people using "direct democracy"... every person will give their opinion on a leader's selection and continuation... no political parties, no money, all is free to everyone... so lesser chance of corruption.

This world is imperfect so chances of bringing about such a change is almost zilch.

... the government will have only one culture...

You're an idealist.
I think if ever a world government is formed then it would be run like it is being run now (informally), as in US is the most powerful country and most other countries give in to its demands and act according to its whims and wishes.So in a world govt the central agency would pretty much be an all powerful entity like United States of America is.

isn't all the wars, destructions, deaths in the last three years an urgent indication of a human-wide single goverment?? and nothing is ever too soon.

Look around Jamahir, all these ppl are fighting because they all want their own land. It would hurt their ego to form a unified world govt.

 

[kuge]

i prefer a worldwide government particularly,
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

thats the reality for the future earth.

 

[jamahir]

There is no other way around mate, our kind is imperfect )

sorry, but that is a very defeatist statement

unless we try, how will we know??

You're an idealist.

1. i don't know what the ideal society of a utopia is... what is know is that a communist humanity is "almost ideal", and it is reached through socialism, human-wide socialism.

2. i generally don't like giving examples, so i will explain it simply... if we know of a simple idea which will realize a good humanity, should we keep saying "oh, it is good in theory, but it won't work"... should we sit on the fence while more active people are actually dying trying to protect this ideology... or should we use the resources we have and participate to our fullest??

3. if i must give examples... if the "occupy wall street" would have been cynical and not confident, their movement would never have left some coffee shop... and look at them now... the usa government is so scared of them that it has inserted disinfo people like "avaaz foundation" among the ranks of occupy protestors... all natively english-speaking nations have their own occupy movements... usa government is using the "occupy" name for its regime-change program in china... and socialist revolutionaries in greece are rocketing capitalist corporations.

i have been an actual activist for eleven years now... most of my activism has been at personal level and in recent years has been at transnational level... i am sincere in what i write.

Religion brings a certain discipline in one's life.

someone said on pdf ( @Hiptullha, maybe )... that socialism is also a religion... and indeed, it is the most natural and automatic of religions.

and can we accuse the north koreans of lacking discipline?? just an example.

Its sad that every religion is misinterpreted.

so let us not sit under status quo, where we wait for some "good" interpretations... which will only have the sad effect of continuing differences.

we know what is good in the end, so let's do it... let us go beyond the old religions.

But then when human beings will start thinking on a higher plane that too would cease to exist.

hence we must start... we can hopefully use this forum towards that goal... why else should we be on this forum?? to fight forever??

I tagged halupridol bcoz he's a doc and he could've confirmed if what I said was right or wrong.

okay, thanks for the info.

So in a world govt the central agency would pretty much be an all powerful entity like United States of America is.

a powerful one... but one guided by wishes of the revolutionary masses... an enlightened people brought to power by more risk-taking revolutionaries... maybe us... who will help set up "direct democracy"

this central agency will be a gentle agency... guiding the people towards whatever is the next stop.

think of this... the mars settlement program of spacex/elon musk and of the "mars one" project have not yet decided on the political and social aspects... they are presently mostly thinking of the technological aspects... but technology should also be guided by politics and sociology... so elon musk and "mars one" must at some point decide upon the political and social arrangement that their settlers must live under... that arrangement has to be simple because mars is a dangerous place.

idealism, yes... but what else is there to do in now, except this??

Look around Jamahir, all these ppl are fighting because they all want their own land. It would hurt their ego to form a unified world govt.

ideology, not land... ideology is why the fights happen... if land was the issue, then one can as well live in that land under a slave government... a society can be a slave of usa government and still live in their ancestral land... no change, yes??

let me list which lands are under attack or immediate threat...

1. ( former ) socialist people's libyan jamahiriya.

2. venezuela ( bolivarian republic of venezuela ), guided by the "psuv" movement ( united socialist party of venezuela ).

3. syria, guided by the "arab socialist baath movement"... same movement as in pre-2003 iraq.

4. democratic people's republic of korea ( north korea ), guided by

5. russia, which is socialistic, and which has a strong socialist culture.

6. people's republic of china... partcularly the "communist party of china".

7. novorus, which is supported by russia.

8. egypt, which has gone back to the great socialist hero, nasser.

9. algeria ( people's democratic republic of algeria ), guided by the "fln" movement which somewhat retains its socialist origins.

10. cuba, guided by the "communist party of cuba".

11. kazakhstan and belarus, friends of russia.

in case of russia, china, algeria and egypt... there is also nationalism which also prevents usa ( and nato ) from successfully conquering "hearts and minds" ( as bush would say )... but this nationalism within many of these citizens can be replaced with socialism ( which by itself replaces nationalism )... indeed, i suspect many russians would be happy to become part of a new soviet union... ( what say, @vostok ).

overall, socialism is not meant to be confined to individual nations... such nations are meant to be linked-up to form a socialist bloc and ultimately, a socialist humanity.

 

[vostok]

sorry, but that is a very defeatist statement

unless we try, how will we know??



1. i don't know what the ideal society of a utopia is... what is know is that a communist humanity is "almost ideal", and it is reached through socialism, human-wide socialism.

2. i generally don't like giving examples, so i will explain it simply... if we know of a simple idea which will realize a good humanity, should we keep saying "oh, it is good in theory, but it won't work"... should we sit on the fence while more active people are actually dying trying to protect this ideology... or should we use the resources we have and participate to our fullest??

3. if i must give examples... if the "occupy wall street" would have been cynical and not confident, their movement would never have left some coffee shop... and look at them now... the usa government is so scared of them that it has inserted disinfo people like "avaaz foundation" among the ranks of occupy protestors... all natively english-speaking nations have their own occupy movements... usa government is using the "occupy" name for its regime-change program in china... and socialist revolutionaries in greece are rocketing capitalist corporations.

i have been an actual activist for eleven years now... most of my activism has been at personal level and in recent years has been at transnational level... i am sincere in what i write.



someone said on pdf ( @Hiptullha, maybe )... that socialism is also a religion... and indeed, it is the most natural and automatic of religions.

and can we accuse the north koreans of lacking discipline?? just an example.



so let us not sit under status quo, where we wait for some "good" interpretations... which will only have the sad effect of continuing differences.

we know what is good in the end, so let's do it... let us go beyond the old religions.



hence we must start... we can hopefully use this forum towards that goal... why else should we be on this forum?? to fight forever??



okay, thanks for the info.



a powerful one... but one guided by wishes of the revolutionary masses... an enlightened people brought to power by more risk-taking revolutionaries... maybe us... who will help set up "direct democracy"

this central agency will be a gentle agency... guiding the people towards whatever is the next stop.

think of this... the mars settlement program of spacex/elon musk and of the "mars one" project have not yet decided on the political and social aspects... they are presently mostly thinking of the technological aspects... but technology should also be guided by politics and sociology... so elon musk and "mars one" must at some point decide upon the political and social arrangement that their settlers must live under... that arrangement has to be simple because mars is a dangerous place.

idealism, yes... but what else is there to do in now, except this??



ideology, not land... ideology is why the fights happen... if land was the issue, then one can as well live in that land under a slave government... a society can be a slave of usa government and still live in their ancestral land... no change, yes??

let me list which lands are under attack or immediate threat...

1. ( former ) socialist people's libyan jamahiriya.

2. venezuela ( bolivarian republic of venezuela ), guided by the "psuv" movement ( united socialist party of venezuela ).

3. syria, guided by the "arab socialist baath movement"... same movement as in pre-2003 iraq.

4. democratic people's republic of korea ( north korea ), guided by

5. russia, which is socialistic, and which has a strong socialist culture.

6. people's republic of china... partcularly the "communist party of china".

7. novorus, which is supported by russia.

8. egypt, which has gone back to the great socialist hero, nasser.

9. algeria ( people's democratic republic of algeria ), guided by the "fln" movement which somewhat retains its socialist origins.

10. cuba, guided by the "communist party of cuba".

11. kazakhstan and belarus, friends of russia.

in case of russia, china, algeria and egypt... there is also nationalism which also prevents usa ( and nato ) from successfully conquering "hearts and minds" ( as bush would say )... but this nationalism within many of these citizens can be replaced with socialism ( which by itself replaces nationalism )... indeed, i suspect many russians would be happy to become part of a new soviet union... ( what say, @vostok ).

overall, socialism is not meant to be confined to individual nations... such nations are meant to be linked-up to form a socialist bloc and ultimately, a socialist humanity.

Many in the former Soviet Central Asia, too, would like to restore the Soviet Union. While in the West of Soviet Union socialism was replaced by capitalism, in the south - almost feudalism.