Another Indian Muslim man beaten to death over beef...

[Joe Shearer]

Then his lamenting is understandable

The toxicity of Hindu heritage is indeed severely potent and is know to spread like virus right up to Japan and Korea and now even to the US.

This virus attaches itself to the cultural DNA and irreversible mutates it into something called dharmic living.

India being ground Zero is no doubt the most dangerous of all ...... no wonder Dr. islam, dr. christ and Dr. commi has been trying to eliminate it or even render it impotent. Nothing seems to work ........ it seems god himself wants it to survive



Indeed ..... how about the value of American humans life with the life of an Arab human ?

Just trying to determine the pecking order as per the intelligent ones. Cows no doubt come much lower.




As a "brahmin" you should know ......I don't claim such "high" birth.

Unfortunately, this discussion does not require brahmin birth, only reasonable intelligence.

Second, personal remarks are really cheap. Avoid them, if you can.

LOL..... This old congress argument is also past its expire date. No one buys it anymore (a debate perhaps for another day/thread)

You mean while we were not looking, Golwalkar made us independent?

A debate would be possible if both sides possessed the facts.

Even if they did, This is a a new age India. Free of the burdens of History. It weights you down, not me. We are very comfortable with Hindutva as demonstrated by political realities today.

History does not burden a nation. It buoys up the nation. Your 'freeing' yourself of the burdens of history makes you vulnerable to building a fascist ideology in the name of a Hindu ideology. Your comfort with Hindutva is not worth anything; it is the comfort of the voting public that matters. And that battle is being played out outside the pages of PDF.

Be afraid, be very alert.

 

[Rasengan]

We acknowledge that you excrete your better statements. It was suspected, but there is nothing like an unsolicited confession.

We now have a qualified Sherlock Holmes in this forum who has the ability to suspect things. Please deliberate on your next great adventure to the audience, instead of sniffing on the excrement of other Forensics science has evolved, therefore your primitive method much change. On a serious note, please elucidate on why my views on the collapse of secularism is wrong in your opinion. This thread alone has proven the fanatical ideology of some Hindu's

 

[raktaka]

Unfortunately, this discussion does not require brahmin birth, only reasonable intelligence.

Second, personal remarks are really cheap. Avoid them, if you can.

Funny thing for YOU to say.

You mean while we were not looking, Golwalkar made us independent?

A debate would be possible if both sides possessed the facts.

INDIANS gave us freedom, not Gandhi, not Nehru, not golwalkar. Some lead, some bleed, then some rule standing over the corpses of the dead and proclaim their own greatness. That is the name of the game.

Here is a picture of savarkar with his family along with his IB officer posted to report his actions. Funny how Nehru never had any such officer trailing him at all times ........ but no doubt, as per you he "gave" us freedom. :

Try your boasting with others dim wits in pdf....... does not work with me.

History does not burden a nation. It buoys up the nation. Your 'freeing' yourself of the burdens of history makes you vulnerable to building a fascist ideology in the name of a Hindu ideology. Your comfort with Hindutva is not worth anything; it is the comfort of the voting public that matters. And that battle is being played out outside the pages of PDF.

Be afraid, be very alert.

You are not a nation, but a bitter prejudiced defeated man lamenting the death of "secularism". So history is certainly YOUR burden. The Nation will not only FREE history but will also Rewrite history.

I do not necessarily need the lessons of history to teach me from right and wrong, Religion does the same.

Finally attempting the old trick of inducing "Fear" to swing opinion is again an old trick but it only works with the "minority", certainly wont work with me But your attempt was amusing to say the least.

My comfort is worth EVERYTHING to me, your words mean nothing. As for the voting public, I am one of them and they have spoken in clear terms. Get used to their voice and directions, it says Hindutva.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We now have a qualified Sherlock Holmes in this forum who has the ability to suspect things. Please deliberate on your next great adventure to the audience, instead of sniffing on the excrement of other Forensics science has evolved, therefore your primitive method much change. On a serious note, please elucidate on why my views on the collapse of secularism is wrong in your opinion. This thread alone has proven the fanatical ideology of some Hindu's

Funny thing for YOU to say.

Yes, isn't it? After you've finished laughing keep it in mind.

INDIANS gave us freedom, not Gandhi, not Nehru, not golwalkar. Some lead, some bleed, then some rule standing over the corpses of the dead and proclaim their own greatness. That is the name of the game.

I am glad of these threads, because the truly shallow nature and lack of common sense of the Sangh Parivar creatures comes out.

First, it was not that every Indian woke up every morning and stretched and yawned and said to themselves, lot to do today. Repair the roof; clean the doors, free the country......It required leadership and planning. That leadership and planning was almost entirely with an Indian leadership, which was born out of the training and education provided by the British themselves.

Second, it was emphatically Gandhi and Nehru, and it was emphatically not Golwalkar, who cringed and died when it became a possibility that he might have to do something for freedom.

Here is a picture of savarkar with his family along with his IB officer posted to report his actions. Funny how Nehru never had any such officer trailing him at all times ........ but no doubt, as per you he "gave" us freedom. :

Try your boasting with others dim wits in pdf....... does not work with me.

Nothing works with you, apparently, not even medication.

You see, Savarkar wrote to the administration and asked to be released, and he would never raise his voice in anger again. His wish was granted. But he was supervised every day, day and night. That is why the IB officer.

The others however who had fought in the struggle were mostly in jail.

Your facile equation of this photograph with a potentially heroic encounter between Savarkar and the Empire just goes to show what your quality is.

You are not a nation, but a bitter prejudiced defeated man lamenting the death of "secularism". So history is certainly YOUR burden. The Nation will not only FREE history but will also Rewrite history.

Not from present indications. Your hero's temporary triumph are going south very fast. Perhaps you have read the papers and watched TV

I do not necessarily need the lessons of history to teach me from right and wrong, Religion does the same.

Not very reliably. It didn't help much in the 10th and 11th centuries; it won't help in running a country either. The evidence is strewn all around you.

Finally attempting the old trick of inducing "Fear" to swing opinion is again an old trick but it only works with the "minority", certainly wont work with me But your attempt was amusing to say the least.

My comfort is worth EVERYTHING to me, your words mean nothing. As for the voting public, I am one of them and they have spoken in clear terms. Get used to their voice and directions, it says Hindutva.

The voice and directions of the voting public is lessening by the day. Your irritation and anger is understandable.

 

[arp2041]

Who want's to bet ISIS won't find space in india in next 24 months?

& I am even open for letting Russia do in India what it is doing in Syria

I don't see why it will take 20 years.

Ya we have the tendency to always UNDERMINE our Potential!!

 

[raktaka]

Yes, isn't it? After you've finished laughing keep it in mind.

LOL..... seriously ? With you I will never really finish laughing.

I am glad of these threads, because the truly shallow nature and lack of common sense of the Sangh Parivar creatures comes out.

Awww cho chweet ..... what ever happened to "cheapening the debate"

i am not glad for these threads, its a waste of my time.

First, it was not that every Indian woke up every morning and stretched and yawned and said to themselves, lot to do today. Repair the roof; clean the doors, free the country......It required leadership and planning. That leadership and planning was almost entirely with an Indian leadership, which was born out of the training and education provided by the British themselves.

Good point. Without the "education" provided by the british we would have been slaves to "islamists" and before they civilized us, we were slaves to "brahmins".

You forgot to ask us to be grateful to the british for "railways'

Gandhi was the last leader of the freedom struggle, not the first ...... it required GENERATIONS of Leadership. Very FEW of whom were "educated" by the British. Thank god for that.

Second, it was emphatically Gandhi and Nehru, and it was emphatically not Golwalkar, who cringed and died when it became a possibility that he might have to do something for freedom.

LOL...No doubt. Golwalkar died conveniently to enable british rule, while nehru the aristocrat with a british nanny was the true soul of Indian Independence ..... the comedy never ends.

Nothing works with you, apparently, not even medication.

You see, Savarkar wrote to the administration and asked to be released, and he would never raise his voice in anger again. His wish was granted. But he was supervised every day, day and night. That is why the IB officer.

The others however who had fought in the struggle were mostly in jail.

Savarkar was never found guilty nor sentenced to jail. He was cleverly sentenced to "Transportation". The only political prisoner sentenced to 50 years for his political views. Savarkar then cleverly wrote to get himself released and then worked to inspire people to join the British Army and Navy and fight them from within. THAT is what got us our freedom.

Your facile equation of this photograph with a potentially heroic encounter between Savarkar and the Empire just goes to show what your quality is.

Yes it does. Thankfully my degrees go beyond "B.A" in "british manufactured history"

Not from present indications. Your hero's temporary triumph are going south very fast. Perhaps you have read the papers and watched TV

LOL.... if TV and papers and literary award s were indicators to how people felt, Modi would never have become PM

Not very reliably. It didn't help much in the 10th and 11th centuries; it won't help in running a country either. The evidence is strewn all around you.

THere is evidence that teaching history is no proof of not repeating it either. ...... similar evidence is strewn all around you.

The voice and directions of the voting public is lessening by the day. Your irritation and anger is understandable.

LOL...... then my amusement should be more easily understandable.

 

[scorpionx]

Savarkar then cleverly wrote to get himself released and then worked to inspire people to join the British Army and Navy and fight them from within.

Sure,sure. I call it Weizsaecker tactics.

 

[Whazzup]

Maybe you are shameless. Its been know to happen to "seculars". First make sure YOU know what you are saying before expecting OTHERS to understand what you are saying. That way you don''t sound like a fool and as a bonus, you don't waste anybody time.

Secular Govt when making a law tries to respect all the religions so that they won't hurt the sentiments of people of any particular religion however in India our govts till now have been a little scared of taking strict decisions when dealing with minority as they're always a little quick about playing the victim card and starts crying oppression oppression. But when it comes to Hindus they bash us since we're in majority and can't cry like others so basically Hindus always have to make sacrifices , take this example Diwali is coming and some NGOs have already started saying no crackers (it maybe a little logical for some as they create a lot of pollution ) but would these same people will make fuss if Diwali was associated with Christians or Muslim's?

It's clear our govt can't function by keeping things balanced as they themselves make stupid decisions or any third party forces them to. So for this reason I suggested CPC is much better and they should function like them (like an atheists) they don't give a damn about any religion will take the most logical decisions and would be pretty balanced also u won't see people of any particular religion getting angry .

P. S could be wrong here but China does functioning quite OK. Anyways its pretty clear this ain't gonna happen.

Regards.

 

[Joe Shearer]

LOL..... seriously ? With you I will never really finish laughing.

Not an unusual response to finding nothing interesting in reply.

Awww cho chweet ..... what ever happened to "cheapening the debate"

With you in the debate, isn't that a given?

i am not glad for these threads, its a waste of my time.

Perfectly well understood. For propagandists like you, an audience that talks back is a waste of time.

Good point. Without the "education" provided by the british we would have been slaves to "islamists" and before they civilized us, we were slaves to "brahmins".

Excellent learning. Rapid and complete.

You forgot to ask us to be grateful to the british for "railways'

Why should I bother? There is bound to be some random idiot who will remind us all to show that he knows his stuff.

Gandhi was the last leader of the freedom struggle, not the first ...... it required GENERATIONS of Leadership. Very FEW of whom were "educated" by the British. Thank god for that.

For anything after the First War of Independence, that is difficult to substantiate. It is just a throw-away sentence.

LOL...No doubt. Golwalkar died convenient to enable british rule, while nehru the aristocrat with a british nanny was the true sole of Indian Independence ..... the comedy never ends.

Whatever that bizarre formulation meant. No doubt in Sangh speak it is worth a smiley or two.

Savarkar was never found guilty nor sentenced to jail. He was cleverly sentenced to "Transportation". The only political prisoner sentenced to 50 years for his political views. Savarkar then cleverly wrote to get himself released and then worked to inspire people to join the British Army and Navy and fight them from within. THAT is what got us our freedom.

A gem.

He was found guilty, sentenced to 50 years, and his sentence was to transportation which was an alternative to jail, used for many political prisoners. He went to the Andamans Cellular Jail, from where he wrote a letter where he described himself as a "prodigal son" longing to return to the "parental doors of the government". He wrote that his release from the jail will recast the faith of many Indians in the British rule. Also he said "Moreover, my conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those misled young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide. I am ready to serve the government in any capacity they like, for as my conversion is conscientious so I hope my future conduct would be. By keeping me in jail, nothing can be got in comparison to what would be otherwise."[Wikipedia]

Hope you had your hankies ready.

Yes it does. Thankfully my degrees go beyond "B.A" in "british manufactured history"

It ought to be Chinese oriental medicine, going by the Sangh's tastes.

LOL.... if TV and papers and literary award s were indicators to how people felt, Modi would never have become PM

The usual deft attempt to distract attention from the point....

THere is evidence that teaching history is no proof of not repeating it either. ...... similar evidence is strewn all around you.

It was Mao who was asked about the French Revolution, and who replied that it was too early to tell. If it is left to shallow intellects, they too will use a million smileys to convey their dim understanding that what happens today, the day-to-day incidents of journalism, is hardly reflective of the historical truth. But then, we do not have the benefit of shallow intellects; we have you instead.

LOL...... then my amusement should be more easily understandable.

Your amusement is always understandable. It is the usual response to being unable to form a logical retort.

 

[raktaka]

Sure,sure. I call it Weizsaecker tactics.

Sri. Ramchandra ji hid behind a tree to shoot an arrow at Bali who was fighting with Sugreev at that time........ and this from a Maryada Purushotam, the perfect man who did no wrong.

Maybe he was practising "weizsaecker tactics" too

Shivaji accepted Aruganzeb's Suzerainty only to escape by hiding in a cowarly way in a box of sweet

Maybe he too was practising "weizsaecker tactics"


And no doubt Savarkar know more of "german history" than his own Nations tradition and history.

 

[raktaka]

Not an unusual response to finding nothing interesting in reply.
With you in the debate, isn't that a given?

...Yawn ....

Perfectly well understood. For propagandists like you, an audience that talks back is a waste of time.
Excellent learning. Rapid and complete.
Why should I bother? There is bound to be some random idiot who will remind us all to show that he knows his stuff.

I love audiences who talk back, that is how I force them to think for themselves and go beyond "secular" propaganda. THAT is the Hindu way........

What I hate is wasting my time with a "secular" propagandist. But I will neutralize your poison, have no doubt.

For anything after the First War of Independence, that is difficult to substantiate. It is just a throw-away sentence.
Whatever that bizarre formulation meant. No doubt in Sangh speak it is worth a smiley or two.
A gem.

People who got educated in India post 1857 were no doubt brainwashed by the british, but not all of them succumbed to the propaganda. Not to all of it. Even then the education was no more the gift of the British than education today is any more the gift of CONgress or BJP.

To go on claim that Indians were educated BECAUSE of the british is to ignore the rich tradition of education and respect for knowledge that existed in Hindu society. The true soul of India which survived even the brutal islamic invasion which only destroyed universities and not set up any new ones.

But such thinking is very much in line with your contempt for India, Indians, Hindus, our civilization and culture.

He was found guilty, sentenced to 50 years, and his sentence was to transportation which was an alternative to jail, used for many political prisoners. He went to the Andamans Cellular Jail, from where he wrote a letter where he described himself as a "prodigal son" longing to return to the "parental doors of the government". He wrote that his release from the jail will recast the faith of many Indians in the British rule. Also he said "Moreover, my conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those misled young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide. I am ready to serve the government in any capacity they like, for as my conversion is conscientious so I hope my future conduct would be. By keeping me in jail, nothing can be got in comparison to what would be otherwise."[Wikipedia]

Hope you had your hankies ready.

LOL...... Andaman was the "guantanamo Bay" of the British. Cellular jail was specifically set up for the same reason the US needed to set up Guantanamo bay prison.

A means to circumvent the law. ....... which is why the sentence on savarkar was 50 years, "transportation for life" !!!! that is 23 years more than Nelson Mandela.

And what was his "crime" for which he was found "guilty" ? seeking Independence for Indians, a chance to decide their own destiny.

I am no more ashamed of Savarkar's tactics, than I am ashamed Shivaji's tactics with Aurengzeb or ShriRama's tactic with bali.

But it is disguising to see you act like a British lackey, gleefully pushing propaganda against the Hero who's picture hangs in the Indian Parliament. You are truly a despicable creature.

Savarkar's legacy will live on and he will continue to inspire millions and there is nothing you can do about it. Now do you want to borrow my Hankie ?

It ought to be Chinese oriental medicine, going by the Sangh's tastes.

The usual deft attempt to distract attention from the point....

I failed to celebrate your B.A in "CONgress manufactured history'

It was Mao who was asked about the French Revolution, and who replied that it was too early to tell. If it is left to shallow intellects, they too will use a million smileys to convey their dim understanding that what happens today, the day-to-day incidents of journalism, is hardly reflective of the historical truth. But then, we do not have the benefit of shallow intellects; we have you instead.

Mao may be your hero, he is not mine. Mao also offered 10 million chinese women to the US in trade ..... but one can see why you admire him. Immoral, characterless, ruthless and spin master ....... a man after your own heart.

Keep whining for your lost relevance........... just don't waste my time by insisting on dragging me down to lament with you.

Your amusement is always understandable. It is the usual response to being unable to form a logical retort.

............ the "logic" is strong in this one

 

[RisingShiningSuperpower]

Ya we have the tendency to always UNDERMINE our Potential!!

This is all due to the Kangress traitors. But with Modi-ji in charge, India will quickly become a superpower by 2020.