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Another ATR Plane Catches Fire During Take Off in Multan ( all grounded)

I am begining to suspect that this is someone's grand scheme to retire 4-5 planes and then force PIA to buy new planes and there would be comission involved or issue of disgruntle employee refusing to service the plane (Criminal Negligence) Mechanical department servicing the plane

Extremely odd that two planes of same type and same enjoy would suffer two major accident in matter of 3-4 days (No logical)

Common issue between both planes
> Engine problem (This plane does have to go thru some checks it seems the engines are decaying)

Same type of plane crash captured
Clearly the plane just seems to lose "Power" in many cases to engines the company making plane should be held liable

 
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Previous Year i traveled from Karachi To Dera Ghazi Khan through ATR. I was coming back from Dubai to D. G Khan when i booked my ticket in dubai PIA office i told travel agency check schedule if any ATR flight that day don't give me ticket as i already traveled by this ATR with bad experience i will not go again with that plane he said ok i will change date you will fly by other plane next date not by ATR flight when i reached Karachi I have been told you wait your flight has been cancelled due to weather condition in D.G khan and you will go after 4 hours. when they took us by bus they leave us near old looking ATR that time me and some other people refused to go by that old plane to D.G Khan and protested there and refuse for boarding as all of us seen its wing was damage looking we told PIA staff our tickets are other plane we paid more fee but this is ATR we don't want to fly by this old aircraft you are playing with our lives then staff they requested all of us please don't waste your time come inside its safe its new aircraft you will go safely Insha Allah. upon again and again requests by staff, police and pilot we all people go inside by reciting Ayatul Kursi and all passenger abuses PIA staff you are putting our lives in danger why you are not putting other plane on our route? we are not Pakistanis? although we are from poor areas it does not mean you send us by old planes. if you are not giving us other plane then why charging tickets of other plane which is coming only one flight per week with costly tickets and you people sending us cheap and risky plane to die in air.
 

and? want to post about the 737 as well so others can see that?
 
All ATR's should be shifted to some PAF base....where not a single PIA official be allowed to have any direct access. Than French team should be allowed to inspect the ATR's...i am 100% convinced that severe violations would be found in the maintenance and flight safety procedures.
CAA doesnt even let PALPA and Pak investigators near the wreckage.... corrupt to the core.

Previous Year i traveled from Karachi To Dera Ghazi Khan through ATR. I was coming back from Dubai to D. G Khan when i booked my ticket in dubai PIA office i told travel agency check schedule if any ATR flight that day don't give me ticket as i already traveled by this ATR with bad experience i will not go again with that plane he said ok i will change date you will fly by other plane next date not by ATR flight when i reached Karachi I have been told you wait your flight has been cancelled due to weather condition in D.G khan and you will go after 4 hours. when they took us by bus they leave us near old looking ATR that time me and some other people refused to go by that old plane to D.G Khan and protested there and refuse for boarding as all of us seen its wing was damage looking we told PIA staff our tickets are other plane we paid more fee but this is ATR we don't want to fly by this old aircraft you are playing with our lives then staff they requested all of us please don't waste your time come inside its safe its new aircraft you will go safely Insha Allah. upon again and again requests by staff, police and pilot we all people go inside by reciting Ayatul Kursi and all passenger abuses PIA staff you are putting our lives in danger why you are not putting other plane on our route? we are not Pakistanis? although we are from poor areas it does not mean you send us by old planes. if you are not giving us other plane then why charging tickets of other plane which is coming only one flight per week with costly tickets and you people sending us cheap and risky plane to die in air.
ATRs are turning into Fokkers..
 
Same type of plane crash captured
Clearly the plane just seems to lose "Power" in many cases to engines the company making plane should be held liable

The captain shut down the wrong engine and caused this crash in Taiwan. It was not the fault of the aircraft.
 
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The only time i travelled on an ATR to Quetta.

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Shyt service... PIA turds issued me and another guy the same seat.... Lots of turbulance... Promised myself never again....

Now i travel on my own vehicle and take PIA flight unless absolutly nessecary.
 
and? want to post about the 737 as well so others can see that?

I also wanted to compare ATR-42 with 737. But couldn't find number of flights Vs number of accidents data for both..

Edit: Found the data.. .


737: rate of accident is 0.27 per million flights
ATR 42 and 72: rate of accident is 0.40 per million flights

So 737 is still safer. And this data is till 2014 December.
 
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The only time i travelled on an ATR to Quetta.

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Shyt service... PIA turds issued me and another guy the same seat.... Lots of turbulance... Promised myself never again....

Now i travel on my own vehicle and take PIA flight unless absolutly nessecary.

same like this ATRs operating on D.G Khan route too. I feel sadness if in case any thing happens all poor people using this route to come and go for abroad of this region for the sake of earning for families but nobody giving attention this route i traveled 2 times next time make mind never will use this route .
 
All ATR's should be shifted to some PAF base....where not a single PIA official be allowed to have any direct access. Than French team should be allowed to inspect the ATR's...i am 100% convinced that severe violations would be found in the maintenance and flight safety procedures.

Of course. ATR is one of the safest aircraft out there. PIA is buying cheap and non air worthy parts. I guarantee you someone is making big bucks.
 
737: rate of accident is 0.27 per million flights
ATR 42 and 72: rate of accident is 0.40 per million flights

So 737 is still safer. And this data is till 2014 December.

The full list is more informative:

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm

Fatal crash rates per million flights
Model Rate Flights FLE* Events
Airbus A300** 0.61 6.55M 3.99 7
Airbus A300-600 0.33 6.09M 2.00 2
Airbus A300 (all models) 0.47 12.84M 6.01 10
Airbus A310** 1.34 4.76M 6.39 9
Airbus A320/318/319/321 0.11 84.62 9.61 14
Airbus A330 0.27 7.41M 1.99 2
Airbus A340** 0 3.03M 0 0
Airbus A380 0 UNK 0 0
ATR 42 and ATR 72 0.40 26.8M 10.81 13
Boeing 717** 0 UNK 0 0
Boeing 727** 0.50 77.05M 38.6 51
Boeing 737-100/200** 0.61 58.29M 35.44 49
Boeing 737-300/400/500** 0.15 73.68M 10.99 18
Boeing 737-600/700/800/900 0.08 60.87M 5.01 7
Boeing 737 (all models) 0.27 192.84M 51.44 74
Boeing 747-100/200/300/SP** 1.02 13.03M 13.23 26
Boeing 747-400** 0.06 7.78M 0.50 2
Boeing 747-8 0 UNK 0 0
Boeing 747 (all models) 0.66 20.81M 13.73 28
Boeing 757** 0.23 23.81M 5.4 8
Boeing 767 0.30 18.60M 5.50 6
Boeing 777 0.24 8.33M 2.01 3
Boeing 787 0 UNK 0 0
Boeing DC9** 0.58 62.84M 36.40 45
Boeing DC10** 0.64 9.25M 5.91 15
Boeing MD11** 0.39 2.59M 1.02 3
Boeing MD80/MD90** 0.26 45.16M 11.94 18
Bombardier Dash 8 UNK UNK 2.38 4
Canadair CRJ***** 0.26 8.11M 2.10 3
BAe146/RJ100** 0.41 10.92M 4.49 6
BAe Jetstream** UNK UNK 6.07 7
Concorde*** 11.36 0.09M 1.00 1
Dornier 228 UNK UNK 9.60 11
Dornier 328** UNK UNK 0.11 1
Embraer Bandeirante** 3.07 7.5M 23.00 28
Embraer Brasilia 0.71 7.4M 5.27 6
Embraer 170/190 0.04 10.34M 0.44 1
Fokker F28** 1.65 9.35M 15.45 21
Fokker 70/100** 0.17 10.83M 1.89 5
Lockheed L1011** 0.47 5.41M 2.54 5
Saab 340** 0.19 11.2M 2.10 3
 
All ATR's should be shifted to some PAF base....where not a single PIA official be allowed to have any direct access. Than French team should be allowed to inspect the ATR's...i am 100% convinced that severe violations would be found in the maintenance and flight safety procedures.
I dont think airlies would play around with basics. However, I travel to tier two / three towns in India often . ATRs take me around & I have found them to be quite rugged and reliable.

The ATR is a very safe aircraft. I suspect bad service
 
I think this "wave" of sudden accident have to do with Service men not doing their Job , I think they might be trying to
Lower PIA's price to a lower Bargain rate so they can buy it in Privitization effort

Someone inside is forcing the crew to not service the planes these planes run world wide successfully even in North America in extreme cold weather

Odds of 3 Major issues reported in 1 week is Astronomical

1- ATR crash (2-3 days ago)
2 -ATR engine FIRE (Yesterday)
3- PIA london flight computer stopped working (Today)

Really such issues don't just happen at once in 1 Airline all of sudden

Prime Suspect , folks looking to BUY cheap (INSIDERS) pulling strings. For future privitization gain

  • ATR might get sold , someone makes profit (Millions made by insider guy likely)
  • New planes ordered , someone makes profit (Millions made by insider guy)
Or as I said it could be someonething big

In 2-3 Months time when Privitization effort start , use he accident as excuse to make a LOW bid for PIA with private conglomerate and but PIA for cheap

Could happen if it is somone in inside

May be they need to investigate where these 2 ATR went for service and repair ? Which group of Engineers looked after these Units were they same group or people ? And why their review did not spot the issues during regular servicing ?


A similar issue happened with Chinese Locomotives, and later after investigation or statement by Insider Railways worker it was found , the managers / management , started a practice of using
"OLD" used oil in Locomotives instead of fresh Oil during servicing.

Expected Behavior: Locomotive comes for Service you are suppose to Change oil and remove old oil used "dark color" heavy, and you are suppose to put golden color fresh oil to keep Locomotive running smoothly.

What Pakistan Railway Maintenence person was doing was they under the management order or shortages , were using "OLD" used oil which was extrated from Locomotives and reusing the same oil again this process caused heavy build up in engine and slowed down the Machinery of the Locomotive , causing over heat or melt down of the ENGINE PARTS.This was stated on air by workers of Railways openly they did not had funds to get new oil so they used shortcuts during the service of brand new locomotives

Reference to the Scandal from Zardari Gov

  • Out of 92 Locomotives which each cost about 4 Million US Dollar , 52 were made unusable by the Service Team , due to Negligence of Management and workers. (Criminal Crime in Negligence in Engineering Practice)


Now while I don't claim to be Rocket Scientist however, viewing the issue from Engineering and Mechanical Prespective

Engines need Oil / Lubrication to work normally with out it their parts break and Jam due to overheating

  • Engine -----> Over heating ---------> Parts of Engine Melt down-------> Fire due to heat or Crash / Shut down
The investigators should check this sudden rise carefully if any department is bending the corners a bit and doing something stupid like reusing used oil in Engines or if it is case of a bad engineer or group servicing the planes

The easiest way to Audit would be check the condition / Servicing quality in remaining ATR
 
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