Anna Hazare released from jail after India-wide protests, begins fasting

[Tiki Tam Tam]

i think you are missing something here ..
govt is ready to bring lokpal bill but the anna haare is abament on bringing court and PMO under it...

i think form here on the debat should be wheather we want PMO and court iunder Lokpal or not..

i am totally against bringing court and PMO under it....

Govt's bill, if you have read the draft, is toothless. As good as the so called 'autonomous' investigative bodies of India.

Hazare's bill is no All Purpose Cure either.

What the Parliament has to do, is debate both the bills, cut and paste the good points of each and make it foolproof (to the extent humanly possible) and beyond Govt control and manipulation.

What is so sacrosanct about the PM? Manmohan maybe an honest man, but will the others be?

What so great about the Judiciary? Wasn't that thieving scoundrel Balakrishnan not the Chief Justice of India?

My feeling is that there should be none who can be above scrutiny!

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

anna is doing the right thing in right way ..no investor would be scary about a functional democracy.

 

[misterme2]

then better cast your vote properly....

Vote.....for who when our choices suck? Rahul no thanks...no track record whatsoever, the youth don;t support him. At first they did, because he was young but the media is talking all this nonsense and pushing him as a leading contender. I am sorry but there is no room in the future of Democracy for dynasty politics. Tell me where in the world is this even acceptable? Only bananna republics. Are we morons to not see that if we elect such an individual, we are stupid and we make a mockery of democracy? he is corrupt as well. His family has been living off the wealth accumlated from corruption. Then the other choice is BJP political party which has also engaged in rampant corruption as well. The only reason I even like them is their drive to defend India militarily, but that is questionable after putting George Fernadez a corrupt SOB as defence minister and besides the Nuke explosions, we made lil progress in weapons development only obselete procurement. Time for India to field some IIT or humble servants for the Indian ppl. Time for the youth to create their own all Indian parties and field thei own candidates. The youth have more knowledge and can give any politican a run for their money. I going to brainstorm a plan but it will need the participation of Indians across India to work.

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anna is doing the right thing in right way ..no investor would be scary about a functional democracy.

Exactly, simple cheap scare tactics....it wont work Congi workers...

 

[luckyyy]

Vote.....for who when our choices suck? Rahul no thanks...mor etrack record whatsoever, the youth don;t support him. At first they did, because he was young but the media is talking all this nonsense. Then what BJP politics has engaged in corruption as well. Time for India to field some IIT or humble servants for the Indian ppl.

tell anna to put up a political party them...
presently anna hajare is secking authority without responsiblity that won't work for long....

 

[misterme2]

Govt's bill, if you have read the draft, is toothless. As good as the so called 'autonomous' investigative bodies of India.

Hazare's bill is no All Purpose Cure either.

What the Parliament has to do, is debate both the bills, cut and paste the good points of each and make it foolproof (to the extent humanly possible) and beyond Govt control and manipulation.

What is so sacrosanct about the PM? Manmohan maybe an honest man, but will the others be?

What so great about the Judiciary? Wasn't that thieving scoundrel Balakrishnan not the Chief Justice of India?

My feeling is that there should be none who can be above scrutiny!

Exactly....MMS is a good man surrounded by sharks..he cannot function freely. The cure to bureacracy is less bureacrats and more e goverance, its provides more accountability. time for everything to be open except defence and intelligence.

 

[Bang Galore]

I smell a lot of Congree action against his movement. Anna is not a threat to India;s growing economy, its CORRUPTION. Don;t let anyone fool you to think otherwise. Sorry Rahul you showed no wisdom and courage to back this brave old man, instead you marginalize him and trump up charges for him. How come Anna got arrested when Rahul got away with the same crime in UP? Its called bias and CORRUPTION...if letting Rahul off the hook for the same "crime" that Anna committed is not corruption then I don;t have a clue.

Actually your facts are not quite correct. Rahul Gandhi was arrested by the U.P. police, produced before the district magistrate & then escorted out of U.P.(an externment order). The same was done with Baba Ramdev. The implementation of the law (in arresting Hazare) was not necessarily wrong (except for arresting him at his residence) but the choice to do that was politically foolhardy.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Exactly these scumbags in office and power have been milking the Indian public for decades and killing innocent ppl in the process. They have simply given us the illuson of democracy while they use to attain wealth. Time for India to stand up. I back you guys leading the protest 110%. I will do what I can in the states and thru social media. Seems India is acting worse than the British, in denying us our basic right to protest. We need leaders not those involved in relgious politics or dynasty politics. Does anyone really think our ppl are so dumb and incompetent? People in the West I meet always say you guys ares so brilliant but what has gone wrong in India? Endemic and systemic corruption is ruining us. I can give you countless examples of stupid decisions made by our gov;t, which would only be allowed for the sake of corruption and to put money in someone's pocket.

Correction its the UPA and the curropt politicians who are acting worse than British. British are far better with compared to the elected cirminals. With out any hesitation we can say only 10% of the people who are elected are interested in the people and nation building the rest of the crooks are with their own agenda

 

[Bang Galore]

What so great about the Judiciary? Wasn't that thieving scoundrel Balakrishnan not the Chief Justice of India?

My feeling is that there should be none who can be above scrutiny!

No one is arguing that they should be. The point being debated is whether they should be under the Lokpal's ambit or under a different law being currently debated - the Judicial Accountability Bill (strengthened, because the present draft is pretty weak). No politician is going to bother about protecting the judiciary in any case.

The argument is whether putting judiciary in the Lokpal's ambit would compromise judicial independence since the very judge who would be deciding whether the Lokpal has a case against civil servants/politicians will also be under the perview of the very same Lokpal thereby opening him/her to the charge of being influenced by the Lokpal. The Lokpal can't both be a boss of the Judge & an applicant in front of the judge in the same court, A person charged by the Lokpal could then reasonably argue that he cannot get a free & fair trial if the Judge has to decide whether the Lokpal (his boss)has a case or not.

 

[misterme2]

i think you are missing something here ..
govt is ready to bring lokpal bill but the anna haare is abament on bringing court and PMO under it...

i think form here on the debat should be wheather we want PMO and court iunder Lokpal or not..

i am totally against bringing court and PMO under it....

I am for the court because corruption has shown itself in the court system and judges. But I agree the PMO is controversial. I am not sure how it will work out. Also, do you know of any possible instances of corruption in PMO? I have heard stories of Rao but not sure. Sry if I was rude. I get so emotional regarding issues that affect all our ppl. Could you tell me what postions are in the PMO besides PM? maybe that would give us a better idea. Maybe the PM can be exempt but the other cabinet positions could be brought under. The problem I see is that under our political system, we would have accustation thrown all day be either parties, simply to stall gov;t. So, make the penalty for bringing up false charges death and act on it immediately. Don;t allow appeals, like Afzal where it will be dragged for decades. Lead by example. I remember reading a book by Andrew jackson who stated judges in any court should only serve a maximum of 5-7 yrs. It is not in anyone's interest to have a judge serve lifelong. Even though the States has not heeded that advice, I think India should take that into consideration. Make gov;t work for Indians. Put a "desi" spin on it. Own it, make our democracy, OUR DEMOCRACY!

 

[ashokdeiva]

Actually your facts are not quite correct. Rahul Gandhi was arrested by the U.P. police, produced before the district magistrate & then escorted out of U.P.(an externment order). The same was done with Baba Ramdev. The implementation of the law (in arresting Hazare) was not necessarily wrong (except for arresting him at his residence) but the choice to do that was politically foolhardy.

The case of Rahul is different. if he had just walked and talked the truth to people the Mayawathi government would have least bothered. This as* hole after reading the article on Kosovan Genocide, thought of an Idea of using the same and spoke of genocide by the Government on a entire village. In todays modern media era, even if one person is dead on suspecious grounds the news is out in the papers by the next day. How come this idiot speak of peopaganda and be let to walk and talk about it.
Baba Ramdev case is also different. Ramdev should have not resisted arrest, if he had not resisted he would have been as popular as Anna but he did not.

 

[misterme2]

Correction its the UPA and the curropt politicians who are acting worse than British. British are far better with compared to the elected cirminals. With out any hesitation we can say only 10% of the people who are elected are interested in the people and nation building the rest of the crooks are with their own agenda

Sry you are correct the politicans which include UPA and BJP as well.

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Actually your facts are not quite correct. Rahul Gandhi was arrested by the U.P. police, produced before the district magistrate & then escorted out of U.P.(an externment order). The same was done with Baba Ramdev. The implementation of the law (in arresting Hazare) was not necessarily wrong (except for arresting him at his residence) but the choice to do that was politically foolhardy.

YOu're right I saw the article and it stated exactly what you wrote, but I felt it was preferrential treatment. I had no idea Ramdev was treated the same way.

 

[luckyyy]

No one is arguing that they should be. The point being debated is whether they should be under the Lokpal's ambit or under a different law being currently debated - the Judicial Accountability Bill (strengthened, because the present draft is pretty weak). No politician is going to bother about protecting the judiciary in any case.

The argument is whether putting judiciary in the Lokpal's ambit would compromise judicial independence since the very judge who would be deciding whether the Lokpal has a case against civil servants/politicians will also be under the perview of the very same Lokpal thereby opening him/her to the charge of being influenced by the Lokpal. The Lokpal can't both be a boss of the Judge & an applicant in front of the judge in the same court, A person charged by the Lokpal could then reasonably argue that he cannot get a free & fair trial if the Judge has to decide whether the Lokpal (his boss)has a case or not.

then anna hajare will do another anshan against lokpal if lokpal not filling a case against a person..

i think this country looking for a dictater like anna hajare then parliament , constitution or a lokpal...

 

[misterme2]

The case of Rahul is different. if he had just walked and talked the truth to people the Mayawathi government would have least bothered. This as* hole after reading the article on Kosovan Genocide, thought of an Idea of using the same and spoke of genocide by the Government on a entire village. In todays modern media era, even if one person is dead on suspecious grounds the news is out in the papers by the next day. How come this idiot speak of peopaganda and be let to walk and talk about it.
Baba Ramdev case is also different. Ramdev should have not resisted arrest, if he had not resisted he would have been as popular as Anna but he did not.

Yeah but Ramdev is a corrupt character himself....there has been some publicity surrounding his questionable wealth. Funny, you haven;t heard a peep out of him when the media attempted to expose him lol.

 

[indushek]

i think you are missing something here ..
govt is ready to bring lokpal bill but the anna haare is abament on bringing court and PMO under it...

i think form here on the debat should be wheather we want PMO and court iunder Lokpal or not..

i am totally against bringing court and PMO under it....

Buddy i think its you who is missing the entire thing. While the bloody government wants a toothless lokpal under their control Anna and others want a stronger Lokpal. If u would care to search for this on Wiki the main differences in a snapshot and in detail are given there like an answer in schools or colleges where the differences are outlined, like giving a peeled banana to everybody. Read it understand it and then comment man.

 

[luckyyy]

Buddy i think its you who is missing the entire thing. While the bloody government wants a toothless lokpal under their control Anna and others want a stronger Lokpal. If u would care to search for this on Wiki the main differences in a snapshot and in detail are given there like an answer in schools or colleges where the differences are outlined, like giving a peeled banana to everybody. Read it understand it and then comment man.

let us first know from you what is the toothless lokpal and a stronger Lokpal....