Anna Hazare released from jail after India-wide protests, begins fasting

[Lankan Ranger]

Difference in fast by Gandhi, Anna Hazare: Mahatma's great grandson

Holding that Anna Hazare's anti-corruption movement has an element of "populism" about it, Mahatma Gandhi's great grandson Tushar has said there is difference in the way the two leaders have used fasting as an instrument of protest.

He also feels that while for the Mahatma fasting was a means to "reform an adversary", in case of Hazare, a self-professed Gandhian, it was like targeting an "enemy".

"Hazare's fast is different because Bapu's fast was to reform an adversary into a friend, while Anna's fast is against an enemy. It is like a me versus you kind of thing," Tushar Gandhi said.

"Hazare has become an icon of the desperation being felt by the people in India. However, there is an element of populism in the movement," he said.

"What we are seeing since yesterday is concern of people about democratic rights. There is a sense of disconnect between the people and the government. That is reflected in this whole movement," he added.

Asked how would have the Mahatma viewed Hazare's agitation, Tushar said, "Bapu would have never allowed the situation to reach this level. He would have become active when the disease (corruption) was at a nascent stage and not when it has reached alarming proportions."

Difference in fast by Gandhi, Anna Hazare: Mahatma's great grandson - The Times of India

 

[luckyyy]

also why there is a stress on longer aggitation/fast for 31 days..

to bring more instability ..to bring more agression over a longer priod of time....why

why they can't covey the message in 2-3 days of fast ?

it just didn't justify the agument that it's for a peacefull agitation...

 

[Vibs]

draft is widly available on net....i read it , didn't find anything new which is already not there in present system of law..the only difference is that you can make compaint against PMO and court in new bill...

MMS had actually supported this clause but in future it not going to help PMO to work frelly coz everytime PMO makes a policy , it will be reported to lokpal to investigate , how PMO going to work in such case...
every time PMO alot a fund to IB /RAW /MI , it will be reported , how indian security aganecies going to function ...?
there are a lot of policies PMO works upon in the intrest of the nation , but it all going to be disturbed if every second day , lokpal going to recive and start a investigation on PMO...
just tell me how country going to function then...

You are ignoring the fact that the Lokpal would be independent of the ministries (unlike right now where they are controlled by specific ministries).
Bringing the PMO under purview means investigation of corruption charges against PMO. Not sitting on their head and not letting them do their jobs. Investigations do not stall or impede any one from doing their job. At the end of the investigation if an accused even the PMO is found guilty,he should be held accountable. This is not about investigation of policies. It's about the mechanism in which the system works. If a policy is accused of being pushed by bribes it will be investigated. If not, it will be passed. How difficult is that to understand?

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also why there is a stress on longer aggitation/fast for 31 days..

to bring more instability ..to bring more agression over a longer priod of time....why

why they can't covey the message in 2-3 days of fast ?

it just didn't justify the agument that it's for a peacefull agitation...

It'snot to convey a message.That's already been conveyed. It's to make sure that the government does not discard it like it did in the last few months.

 

[indiatester]

you know the entire india medis is on the payrole of FII's which are holding major shares in almost every india news channal....these channals recice funds from them...
so , presently in india the only free body is the parliament and the court , by passing the bhushans bill , even these two insitutions will be under pressure to perform freely...
after passing the bhushan's bill , you can make alligation against PMO or Court and bring the country to a hilt ....

Aww C'mon. The main aim of the lokpal bill is to ensure that there is a proper time bound method to investigate allegations of corruption. If you claim that it is because of corruption that we have not come to a halt. I beg to differ.
Let us definitely debate and ensure that things are not stuck. But based on the history of our bureaucrats and politicians, we definitely need a powerful bill that forces them to be honest. I have stopped expecting them to be honest by their own virtue.

 

[luckyyy]

You are ignoring the fact that the Lokpal would be independent of the ministries (unlike right now where they are controlled by specific ministries).
Bringing the PMO under purview means investigation of corruption charges against PMO. Not sitting on their head and not letting them do their jobs. Investigations do not stall or impede any one from doing their job. At the end of the investigation if an accused even the PMO is found guilty,he should be held accountable. This is not about investigation of policies. It's about the mechanism in which the system works. If a policy is accused of being pushed by bribes it will be investigated. If not, it will be passed. How difficult is that to understand?

you can still go to the court and made a compaint , it's not under ministries...
even for a comman people like you and me it's don't matter coz we hardly gets into a situation where we had to fight against a minister....the only people going to juice the lokpal bill will be big political players to use it as a tool to destabalize the govt..

offcourse it will distrube the functioning of PMO or the court if ever second day investigation offerses come to them to question and grab importent fills in th name of investigating..

 

[Maritimer]

This protest if it is successful in bringing the popular anti-corruption law, would benefit the economy by many folds. It will enormously boost investor confidence both domestic and foreign. Don't know why Congress is afraid of bringing the Jan Lokpal Bill to the parliament? It only shows that they have something to hide, and the middle-class voters are seeing this clearly.

 

[misterme2]

I smell a lot of Congree action against his movement. Anna is not a threat to India;s growing economy, its CORRUPTION. Don;t let anyone fool you to think otherwise. Sorry Rahul you showed no wisdom and courage to back this brave old man, instead you marginalize him and trump up charges for him. How come Anna got arrested when Rahul got away with the same crime in UP? Its called bias and CORRUPTION...if letting Rahul off the hook for the same "crime" that Anna committed is not corruption then I don;t have a clue.

 

[luckyyy]

This protest if it is successful in bringing the popular anti-corruption law, would benefit the economy by many folds. It will enormously boost investor confidence both domestic and foreign. Don't know why Congress is afraid of bringing the Jan Lokpal Bill to the parliament? It only shows that they have something to hide, and the middle-class voters are seeing this clearly.

i think the only deadlock over lokpal bill is the inclusion of PMO and court under lokpal..
rest i think both side agree..

i am against bring PMO and court iunder lokpal....

 

[Vibs]

you can still go to the court and made a compaint , it's not under ministries...
even for a comman people like you and me it's don't matter coz we hardly gets into a situation where we had to fight against a minister....the only people going to juice the lokpal bill will be big political players to use it as a tool to destabalize the govt..

offcourse it will distrube the functioning of PMO or the court if ever second day investigation offerses come to them to question and grab importent fills in th name of investigating..

I don't mind facing 5 years of continuous govt changes and risk FDI if it means that it will ensure every corrupt policy and deal is investigated and there is a big hurdle to movement of tax payers money outside. That itself will nullify any loss of investments into India.If anything,after the brief fall,the growth engine will pick up speed due to removal of these barriers.
I'll make it simple.
Option 1: We allow the govt.and the opposition to continue functioning the super fast way that they do at present and not make any changes to the system
Option 2: We shake things up and ensure they are all accountable to us as they should be in a democracy.

 

[misterme2]

you can still go to the court and made a compaint , it's not under ministries...
even for a comman people like you and me it's don't matter coz we hardly gets into a situation where we had to fight against a minister....the only people going to juice the lokpal bill will be big political players to use it as a tool to destabalize the govt..

offcourse it will distrube the functioning of PMO or the court if ever second day investigation offerses come to them to question and grab importent fills in th name of investigating..

hey we can fine tune it but ignoring the situation will make matters worse. Time for the gov;t to take notice. The peopl are not going to wait another 50 yrs.....RTI activists are getting shot let and right, yet no action. Women and girls are getting raped daily, yet no stricter punishment is being passed, etc. Corruption has gotten too unbearable and trying to blame the INdian pople for institutionalized corruption is ludrcious. Clean up the house first.

 

[luckyyy]

I don't mind facing 5 years of continuous govt changes and risk FDI if it means that it will ensure every corrupt policy and deal is investigated and there is a big hurdle to movement of tax payers money outside. That itself will nullify any loss of investments into India.If anything,after the brief fall,the growth engine will pick up speed due to removal of these barriers.
I'll make it simple.
Option 1: We allow the govt.and the opposition to continue functioning the super fast way that they do at present and not make any changes to the system
Option 2: We shake things up and ensure they are all accountable to us as they should be in a democracy.

then better cast your vote properly....

 

[Abingdonboy]

I don't think this really should have too much of a negative effect on the Indian economy- this is not Syria,Libya or Egypt, this is a peaceful protest against corruption. It is an issue the GoI can easily manage-if they use their brains that is. Slowing industry output, increasing inflation and spiralling costs of fuel are much more of a worry for the long term outlook of the Indian economy.

In fact if "Team Anna" are successful (in the remote chance) and stop showboating and bring some REAL change then they might have a very positive effect in the Indian economy.

 

[misterme2]

history has proven record that domestic unstablity never benifited the countries economy as the investers takes a step back ...

is anna hajare's attitude to over throw the paliamentery systems and trying to dectate term is justified ?

is it correct to compare anna hajare with gandhi ?

who going to benifited by this aggitatio/nandollan , india public or those who are looking envy towards indian growing economic status ?

The proogress wil be short term and to a select few, if we don;t clear up corruption. Congress and the media has made it a point to malign an honest man, Anna, by accusing him for all the problems the gov;t has not solved in Nepal and China. This is called bullshit, its called cheap tactics and your failure to acknowledge this, shows your true colors.

 

[luckyyy]

The proogress wil be short term and to a select few, if we don;t clear up corruption. Congress and the media has made it a point to malign an honest man, Anna, by accusing him for all the problems the gov;t has not solved in Nepal and China. This is called bullshit, its called cheap tactics and your failure to acknowledge this, shows your true colors.

i think you are missing something here ..
govt is ready to bring lokpal bill but the anna haare is abament on bringing court and PMO under it...

i think form here on the debat should be wheather we want PMO and court iunder Lokpal or not..

i am totally against bringing court and PMO under it....

 

[misterme2]

Its all crap...there's no damage being done to economy by this protest. These peaceful march nobody even blocked the roads untill Anna was arrested. All this is crazy, Congress is just trying to divert the attention. They just want to complete their term in a peaceful maner. Passing this bill will cause alot of uproar among bureaucratic and will even put all the politicians in danger (i mean in danger of getting arrested for corruption ) which nobody wants.

Exactly these scumbags in office and power have been milking the Indian public for decades and killing innocent ppl in the process. They have simply given us the illuson of democracy while they use to attain wealth. Time for India to stand up. I back you guys leading the protest 110%. I will do what I can in the states and thru social media. Seems India is acting worse than the British, in denying us our basic right to protest. We need leaders not those involved in relgious politics or dynasty politics. Does anyone really think our ppl are so dumb and incompetent? People in the West I meet always say you guys ares so brilliant but what has gone wrong in India? Endemic and systemic corruption is ruining us. I can give you countless examples of stupid decisions made by our gov;t, which would only be allowed for the sake of corruption and to put money in someone's pocket.