Ancient Pakistan

[Indus Pakistan]

You are spot on. It is something that the Indians on this forum and beyond have failed to understand. That is, a change of religion does not mean change of people. I find it amusing that Indians sitting hundreds of miles away in the farthest corners of India turn around and say Indus civillazation is theres while I am a foreign invader.

Nice to see Pakistani's slowly "connecting and taking ownership" of their own land and history. Consider the following:-

(i) Modern Egyptian's speak Arabic and are Muslim but have you ever heard anybody say Ancient Egypt has nothing to do with them?

(ii) Modern Greeks are Ordthodox Christians but have you ever heard anybody say Ancient Greece is nothing to do with them?

The reality is anything 5,000 years ago is going to be vastly evolved today. The Indian claim that IVC was "Hindu" is the biggest pile of shite considering that even the tabulation of religion called "Hindu" only came about couple of hundred years ago. Prior to that no Sanskrit record mentions "Hindusim". You can't say IVC was Indian because the term Indian is also of recent vintage and mostly definitely had not been coined 5,000 years ago.

Thus calling IVC "Ancient Pakistan" is as logical as calling it Indian as both words are dated well post IVC times.

The truth is South Asia has sub geograhic regions. The Indus Basin, the Ganges Basin and the peninsular India or Deccan India.

The Indus Pakistan

Ganges India

Dravid India - South

As can be seen most of IVC was centred in Indus Pakistan because is why it is called "IVC" or even Harappan which again is village in Pakistan. Almost all history prior to 2,000BCE takes place in Indus Pakistan. This is fact. Indus Pakistan was the cradle of human civilization along with Iraq, China and Eygpt.

So the Ganga Indian's and Dravid Indian's who are like 1,000 miles way have launched a sustained theft campaign which involves of simply claiming IVC as "Indian" from far away Dravid or Ganga India. This would be like us Pakistani claiming Ancient Mesopotamia. The Ganga and and Dravid do this because what else do they have? They were munching on bananas and hanging off trees in the dense jungles of Ganga.

Of course to pull this off the Indian's have to erase Pakistani's ( Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pak and A.K ) and they do this by bringing up this tired out excuse of "oh your Muslim". Try the "Oh your Muslim" on the Egyptians or "Oh your Christian" on the Greeks and the reply would be f**k o*f.


The map below clearly shows the Indus basin (left - Pakistan) and Ganga Basin (right - India)

The laugh is the jokers living in Ganga basin ( they even worship the Ganga ) dreaming that Indus history is their history. I won't even bother with the jokers in the far Dravid India.

Ps. I find nothing wrong in being proud of who and where you are today but at the same time celebrating your past. Pakistani's must take ownership of their past. In doing so they will take pride of place with small group of countries that can claim they gave world civilization. China, Eygpt, Iraq, Pakistan. They can stare in the eye with any peoples on earth with pride for they have a history that few peoples on earth have.

 

[Pakistani E]

Nice to see Pakistani's slowly "connecting and taking ownership" of their own land and history. Consider the following:-

(i) Modern Egyptian's speak Arabic and are Muslim but have you ever heard anybody say Ancient Egypt has nothing to do with them?

(ii) Modern Greeks are Ordthodox Christians but have you ever heard anybody say Ancient Greece is nothing to do with them?

The reality is anything 5,000 years ago is going to be vastly evolved today. The Indian claim that IVC was "Hindu" is the biggest pile of shite considering that even the tabulation of religion called "Hindu" only came about couple of hundred years ago. Prior to that no Sanskrit record mentions "Hindusim". You can't say IVC was Indian because the term Indian is also of recent vintage and mostly definitely had not been coined 5,000 years ago.

Thus calling IVC "Ancient Pakistan" is as logical as calling it Indian as both words are dated well post IVC times.

The truth is South Asia has sub geograhic regions. The Indus Basin, the Ganges Basin and the peninsular India or Deccan India.

The Indus Pakistan

Ganges India

Dravid India - South

As can be seen most of IVC was centred in Indus Pakistan because is why it is called "IVC" or even Harappan which again is village in Pakistan. Almost all history prior to 2,000BCE takes place in Indus Pakistan. This is fact. Indus Pakistan was the cradle of human civilization along with Iraq, China and Eygpt.

So the Ganga Indian's and Dravid Indian's who are like 1,000 miles way have launched a sustained theft campaign which involves of simply claiming IVC as "Indian" from far away Dravid or Ganga India. This would be like us Pakistani claiming Ancient Mesopotamia. The Ganga and and Dravid do this because what else do they have? They were munching on bananas and hanging off trees in the dense jungles of Ganga.

Of course to pull this off the Indian's have to erase Pakistani's ( Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pak and A.K ) and they do this by bringing up this tired out excuse of "oh your Muslim". Try the "Oh your Muslim" on the Egyptians or "Oh your Christian" on the Greeks and the reply would be f**k o*f.


The map below clearly shows the Indus basin (left - Pakistan) and Ganga Basin (right - India)

The laugh is the jokers living in Ganga basin ( they even worship the Ganga ) dreaming that Indus history is their history. I won't even bother with the jokers in the far Dravid India.

Ps. I find nothing wrong in being proud of who and where you are today but at the same time celebrating your past. Pakistani's must take ownership of their past. In doing so they will take pride of place with small group of countries that can claim they gave world civilization. China, Eygpt, Iraq, Pakistan. They can stare in the eye with any peoples on earth with pride for they have a history that few peoples on earth have.

That's a very informative post. Also I would like to point out that the reason why Indians are jumping on to Pakistani history is because we Pakistanis ourselves want to link ourselves to foreign Muslim invaders. There is a concious effort by some Pakistanis to erase the Pre-Arab conquest history and civillization. It's time to embrace who we are. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Nice to see Pakistani's slowly "connecting and taking ownership" of their own land and history

Yes. Some people use to say Pakistan history began in 711 AD when Muhammad bin Qasim conquered Indus valley. Now Pakistanis are proud of their Indus Valley Civilization.

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

Nice to see Pakistani's slowly "connecting and taking ownership" of their own land and history. Consider the following:-

(i) Modern Egyptian's speak Arabic and are Muslim but have you ever heard anybody say Ancient Egypt has nothing to do with them?

(ii) Modern Greeks are Ordthodox Christians but have you ever heard anybody say Ancient Greece is nothing to do with them?

The reality is anything 5,000 years ago is going to be vastly evolved today. The Indian claim that IVC was "Hindu" is the biggest pile of shite considering that even the tabulation of religion called "Hindu" only came about couple of hundred years ago. Prior to that no Sanskrit record mentions "Hindusim". You can't say IVC was Indian because the term Indian is also of recent vintage and mostly definitely had not been coined 5,000 years ago.

Thus calling IVC "Ancient Pakistan" is as logical as calling it Indian as both words are dated well post IVC times.

The truth is South Asia has sub geograhic regions. The Indus Basin, the Ganges Basin and the peninsular India or Deccan India.

The Indus Pakistan

Ganges India

Dravid India - South

As can be seen most of IVC was centred in Indus Pakistan because is why it is called "IVC" or even Harappan which again is village in Pakistan. Almost all history prior to 2,000BCE takes place in Indus Pakistan. This is fact. Indus Pakistan was the cradle of human civilization along with Iraq, China and Eygpt.

So the Ganga Indian's and Dravid Indian's who are like 1,000 miles way have launched a sustained theft campaign which involves of simply claiming IVC as "Indian" from far away Dravid or Ganga India. This would be like us Pakistani claiming Ancient Mesopotamia. The Ganga and and Dravid do this because what else do they have? They were munching on bananas and hanging off trees in the dense jungles of Ganga.

Of course to pull this off the Indian's have to erase Pakistani's ( Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Khyber Pak and A.K ) and they do this by bringing up this tired out excuse of "oh your Muslim". Try the "Oh your Muslim" on the Egyptians or "Oh your Christian" on the Greeks and the reply would be f**k o*f.


The map below clearly shows the Indus basin (left - Pakistan) and Ganga Basin (right - India)

The laugh is the jokers living in Ganga basin ( they even worship the Ganga ) dreaming that Indus history is their history. I won't even bother with the jokers in the far Dravid India.

Ps. I find nothing wrong in being proud of who and where you are today but at the same time celebrating your past. Pakistani's must take ownership of their past. In doing so they will take pride of place with small group of countries that can claim they gave world civilization. China, Eygpt, Iraq, Pakistan. They can stare in the eye with any peoples on earth with pride for they have a history that few peoples on earth have.

Ivc Sites in India and Pakistan

 

[saiyan0321]

Yes no doubt about it that pakistan has ancient sites and cities that date back thousands of years and held the cradle of Indus civilization. It is part of us and makes us who we are and that doesn't mean that we are any less Muslims....

We have a great history and if somebody could actually fund our archeological research then I truly believe that we will discover even more ancient sites and ancients histories..

As for school learning. Our courses always had a chapter on Indus civilization and everybody knows about the Indus civilization bcz its part of school, matric, inter and bachelors... You will find Indus civilization in pakistan studies.

 

[ghazi52]

Pakistan's Ziarat: An ancient juniper forest and its living fossils

The juniper forests at Ziarat in the Pakistani province of Balochistan are some of the largest - and oldest - in the world.

According to a report submitted in April 2016 at Unesco by Pakistan's Directorate General of Archaeology, the Ziarat forests are spread over nearly 110,000 hectares. No dendrological study has been conducted but mature trees are often thousands of years old, earning them the title of "living fossils".

The forest lies in mountains ranging from more than 1,000m (3,000 feet) above sea level to nearly 3,500 metres above sea level. The remarkable longevity of the trees allows research into past weather conditions and makes the species significant for climate change and ecological studies.

Pakistan declared it a Biosphere Reserve in 2013.

It's also a habitat for black bears and wolves, as well as urials, a type of sheep, and the Sulaiman markhor, a large species of wild goat.

Juniper berries are enjoyed for their flavour in cooking and their oil has several uses.

The forest in Ziarat is a popular tourist spot, some 120km (75 miles) east of the provincial capital Quetta.

It gained a reputation as a health resort after Pakistan's founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah stayed there in the summer of 1948, in the last days of his life.

But these days the area covered by the forest is decreasing. Locals criticise provincial officials for not doing enough to protect the forest, as BBC Hindi's Shumaila Jafri has reported.

Locals looking for firewood keep felling trees. There is no other source of fuel.

Piped gas would be a cheaper option but the gas supply was never extended to Ziarat. While Balochistan produces the bulk of Pakistan's natural gas, it is the most neglected when it comes to piped supplies.

There has been some illegal commercial felling but the damage is not extensive, thanks to awareness campaigns run by NGOs.

Forest officials say decreasing tree cover is partly due to the time a sapling takes to grow.

Only 10% of new saplings survive. Last year 20,000 saplings were planted but only 2,000 will go on to become mature trees.

 

[ghazi52]

Parata raja coins from balochistan in early centuries and one thing which really struck was the continued tradition to be depicted in an indus style band with back showing the two ends of the band from the indus priest king statue

interestingly, an indian king is also depicted in the same manner from bactria

and indo greek coins from bactria are also depicted in the same manner.