Ancient History not Appreciated by Pakistanis?

[Joe Shearer]

That's true. The property laws in Bharatiya Punjab/Haryana encourage this, as it is not allowed for Punjabi to buy property outside his state, but people from other states are allowed to buy land and property in punjab.

This, probably needless to say, is totally incorrect. Very large parts of the Terai in Uttar Pradesh have been drained and developed and brought to full crop-bearing value by Punjabis who own vast tracts. Ironically, their success has boomeranged on them, as the local government is enquiring into everybody's holdings to ensure that the land-holding laws are not being broken (there is a limit on the amount of agricultural land you can own).

 

[Developereo]

Anyways, even if I assume your assertion that a majority of current day Pakistanis are the heirs of IVC guys, can you explain the following discrepancy arising from the abject lack of continuity and similarity while moving from IVC to current day Pakistan vis a vis the lungual and cultural dissimilarities?

I don't know if it's the majority or minority. I really don't know much about the migration history so I will stay out of it, but it's hard to imagine that an entire population just up and disappeared.

 

[Ignited Mind]

People convert religions and adopt invading cultures, but the genes remain.

So all of them gave up the lingual or cultural traits of their civilisation? All of them?

How many people in today's Pakistan can write the IVC script? How many can identify with the IVC practices be them ritual or religious?

Or you're telling me that all of them (read ALL OF THEM) got sooooooo influenced by external factors that ALL of their civilisational traits vanished; just like that?

I'll give you an example.

Even after thousands of years, we Indians (most of us) still possess most of the civilizational traits of our ancestors who used to practice Hinduism, spoke Sanskrit even the eating habits whereas you, on the other hand, have NO (NONE, ZERO, ZILCH) civilisational traits in common with IVC? NONE?

And yet you claim lineage to IVC?

This is borderline nonsense.

 

[Developereo]

So all of them gave up the lingual or cultural traits of their civilisation? All of them?

How many people in today's Pakistan can write the IVC script? How many can identify with the IVC practices be them ritual or religious?

Or you're telling me that all of them (read ALL OF THEM) got sooooooo influenced by external factors that ALL of their civilisational traits vanished; just like that?

I'll give you an example.

Even after thousands of years, we Indians (most of us) still possess most of the civilizational traits of our ancestors who used to practice Hinduism, spoke Sanskrit even the eating habits whereas you, on the other hand, have NO (NONE, ZERO, ZILCH) civilisational traits in common with IVC? NONE?

And yet you claim lineage to IVC?

This is borderline nonsense.

How many Egyptians can read/write heiroglyphics? How many Iraqis read cuneiform tablets? How many Cambodians can read inscriptions on their ancient monuments? Can the average Englishman read druid scripts?

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

i think a good number IVC people must have survived..and with the cultural evolution by generations they just must have changed.

 

[Ignited Mind]

How many Egyptians can read/write heiroglyphics? How many Iraqis read cuneiform tablets? How many Cambodians can read inscriptions on their ancient monuments? Can the average Englishman read druid scripts?

Oh man!

You're not even aware that the IVC script has not been decoded or interpreted yet by scientists anywhere in the world?

The IVC script awaits deciphering.

Why is that?

Q - When does a people/civilisation lose lits lingual script?

A - When the people/civilisation itself ceases to exist.


You know what you ARE telling me?

That one fine day, all of IVC people converted to Islam, all of them adopted the culture which today's Pakistanis inherit, all of them suddenly gave up all of their civilisational (cultural/lingual) traits.

Emphasis on the word ALL.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Actually the only trait Indians like us & Pakistanis like them share is gross stupidity. We, because we waste our time insisting that we are all similar in spite of the fact that would be going for the lowest common denominator and be of no great credit, they because of a strong, unshakable belief that they are transported miraculously from Arabia (or Mars) to be inserted carefully within the borders of their present country & no further.

I think this is the best post I've read since April 2009.

 

[Developereo]

Oh man!

You're not even aware that the IVC script has not been decoded or interpreted yet by scientists anywhere in the world?

The IVC script awaits deciphering.

Why is that?

Q - When does a people/civilisation lose lits lingual script?

A - When the people/civilisation itself ceases to exist.


You know what you ARE telling me?

That one fine day, all of IVC people converted to Islam, all of them adopted the culture which today's Pakistanis inherit, all of them suddenly gave up all of their civilisational (cultural/lingual) traits.

Emphasis on the word ALL.

I would never presume to invent a time machine to transport the entire IVC culture 2200 years to convert directly to Islam.

Languages and cultures die off gradually as the younger generation stops observing the old traditions. So we haven't found a Rosetta Stone and we haven't deciphered the languages. It is alleged that some IVCers migrated east/south so it may yet be possible to trace back their language.

Just because we haven't yet deciphered their language means all of them must have been exterminated?

That is some mighty fine piece of logical reasoning!

 

[MyPakistan1947]

why do indians have to link themselves to punjabis every time.

why not just take pride in your own ethncity, be it bengali,gujarati,tamil,marathi, ect?

whats special about us punjabis that you ppl have to link yourselves to us? from what i know most indians make fun of punjabis, have racist stereotypes about us, call us uneducated,backwards,brainless, paindoos, ect.

but you people never miss a chance to compare yourseleves to us punjabis,or to try and take credit for punjabi history and achievements.

 

[Ignited Mind]

I would never presume to invent a time machine to transport the entire IVC culture 2200 years to convert directly to Islam.

Languages and cultures die off gradually as the younger generation stops observing the old traditions. So we haven't found a Rosetta Stone and we haven't deciphered the languages. It is alleged that some IVCers migrated east/south so it may yet be possible to trace back their language.

Just because we haven't yet deciphered their language means all of them must have been exterminated?

That is some mighty fine piece of logical reasoning!

You don't get my point, do you?

You are saying that ALL of the civilisational traits of IVC vanished with time.

One trait might become extinct, may be even two or three but all of them? Seriously?

I even gave you an example of current day Indians in India. Most of us still retain many of our ancestral civilisational characteristics.

Which civilisational traits of IVC do current day Pakistanis possess?

 

[Vinod2070]

why do indians have to link themselves to punjabis every time.

why not just take pride in your own ethncity, be it bengali,gujarati,tamil,marathi, ect?

whats special about us punjabis that you ppl have to link yourselves to us? from what i know most indians make fun of punjabis, have racist stereotypes about us, call us uneducated,backwards,brainless, paindoos, ect.

but you people never miss a chance to compare yourseleves to us punjabis,or to try and take credit for punjabi history and achievements.

You have severe misconceptions. No Indian wants to link to no Pakistani.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@TheStrantrunCurve

You write very well. This piece of propaganda is extremely well done.

Thank you, but what I wrote was not propaganda. Propaganda is defined below:

information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.

Now that the best part of your post, the most intelligent and well-researched portion, even if it is a clinically inaccurate portion, is over, the rest is downhill.

 

[Alla hoo]

Their history starts with Muhammad-bin-khasim invading India.

Before that pakistanis were living on the moon.

 

[Ignited Mind]

why do indians have to link themselves to punjabis every time.

why not just take pride in your own ethncity, be it bengali,gujarati,tamil,marathi, ect?

whats special about us punjabis that you ppl have to link yourselves to us? from what i know most indians make fun of punjabis, have racist stereotypes about us, call us uneducated,backwards,brainless, paindoos, ect.

but you people never miss a chance to compare yourseleves to us punjabis,or to try and take credit for punjabi history and achievements.

US Punjabis???

Wakey wakey! There is a Punjab in India too...

 

[sid426]

Salaam people.

This is my first post on this forum, and I must say, I am really starting to like this place. I would like to ask Pakistanis a simple question. Why is our Ancient History not Appreciated by Pakistanis?

Pakistans history starts with the Indus Valley civilisation, which is more than 5000 years old and was on par with civilisations like Egypt and Mesopotamia, it was based almost entirely in modern Pakistan, and all the major cities are in Pakistan.

Our fellow Pakistanis have totally ignored this part of our history, and given the Indians full access to steal it, and label it Indian.
I dont know what amuses me more, an Indian claiming IVC is Indian even though its not even in India, or a Pakistani ignoring this great chapter of our history because its not "Islamic".

It doesnt stop here however. There are lots of other civilisations which were based in Pakistan, and run by Pakistanis, i.e Ghandara, Kushun empire, and even Muslim empires like Mughal empires started in Pakistan, and spread into India.

So why why and why do we allow India to take credit of everything?
They talk about "Pakistan being created", like Pakistan is a baby, and Pakistanis didnt exist before 1947. This is the whole reason why Indian nationalists believe they own Pakistan.
They take it one step further and our leaders like Quid-e-Azam are officially known as "Indians", (look it up on wikipedia).

So please let me know your opinions regarding this. Pakistan has an unbelievably big history book, but we "proudly" go on about 60 years of Independence?


p.s Pakistan wasnt created in 1947, it was our Independence. Please dont promote Indian views.

Thank you for reading, I am looking forward to read your views.

W/Salaam.

History of Pakistan started with the invasion of Mohd. Bin Qasim in sindh in 716 AD.

Period.