Featured Anatolian Eagle 2021 - JF-17 To Pitch Against Rafale and Vipers

[Riz]

she don't even deserve to be discussed.

She belongs to military family, she participated in many military ceremonies , military exercises

 

[graphican]

JF-17 thunder beaten Rafael by 6:2 according to sumera khan

Do we have a link to the original article she's reading?

 

[Ghessan]

She belongs to military family, she participated in many military ceremonies , military exercises

claim to be a defense analyst and have substandard information, knowledge, use of words and presentation below average, it is professionalism that is to be considered.

whatever her back ground is, does not matter.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

She belongs to military family, she participated in many military ceremonies , military exercises

It doesn't matters in which family is she belongs to, this clips shows she knows nothing, in clips she said RAFALE is 5th gen jet and lot more and exaggerating a lot about the JFT capabilities

 

[Xone]

Xiaolong won the gust in the military exercise, the Pakistani Air Force won the championship, and the Indian Air Force was depressed.
2021/07/13 16:49:28

It is reported that in the "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise held in Turkey, the JF-17 "Raiden" (Chinese called "Fierce Dragon") fighter jets jointly developed by the Pakistan Air Force and The Qatar Air Force's legal “Rafale” fighter fought and won the air battle in the exercise with a total score of 6:2 .
The "Anatolian Eagle" -2021 joint exercise hosted by the Turkish military will not only improve the training level of multinational air force joint operations, but will also share knowledge, capabilities and experience with each other.

This worries the Indian military, which has a territorial dispute with Pakistan in Kashmir, and fears that the Qatar Air Force, which has a very close relationship with Pakistan, will share the relevant technical parameters of the legal "Rafale" fighter jets in the "sharing of knowledge, capabilities and experience" between the two parties. Pakistani pilots and confession.

With the Pakistani Air Force pilot's superb flight technology and rich air combat experience and experience, when flying F-16A/B/C/D and JF-17 "Thunder" BLOCK3 fighters, Dan took control of the Indian Air Force's legal "Rafale" fighter jets. With regard to core flight technical parameters and technical and tactical performance, the Indian Air Force will undoubtedly be in a very unfavorable situation in the future air combat that the Indian and Pakistani Air Force may break out over Kashmir.

Now, it is reported that in the "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise, the Pakistani Air Force pilots flew JF-17 "Raiden" BLOCK2 fighters, not the most advanced JF-17 "Raiden" BLOCK3 fighters. Achieved a 6:2 air combat score against the legal "Rafale" fighter jets. This news is real, not fraudulent. This is definitely not good news for the Indian Air Force .
In this "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise, the Qatar Air Force pilots piloted the legal "Rafale" fighter jets and only won two victories against the Pakistan Air Force JF-17 "Thunderbolt" BLOCK2 fighter jets, while Pakistan The Air Force piloted the JF-17 "Thunderbolt" BLOCK2 fighter, but achieved 6 victories over the Qatar Air Force's legal "Rafale" fighter. The record ratio between the two sides was 3:1, and the Pakistan Air Force gained an absolute advantage in the exercise.

If the "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise is regarded as actual combat, it means that 3 Rafale fighters will be used to shoot down 1 JF-17 "Thunderbolt" BLOCK2 fighter. This air combat exercise The results exceeded the expectations of the outside world.
With an average unit price of US$245 million (including related airborne weapons and equipment), India can be regarded as a legal "Rafale" fighter jet that has been introduced at a cost . It seems that it is not as magical as the Indian military and the media boast , and it can change instantly. The air posture at the borders between China and India and China and Pakistan has achieved air superiority over China and Pakistan.

The Turkish military organizes the "Anatolian Eagle" -2021 joint exercise in the context of actual combat. During the exchange of "sharing knowledge, capabilities and experience" and in the air fighter contest, the Qatar Air Force's legal system "Rafale" The fighter jets and the Russian-made MiG-29 fighter jets of the Azerbaijani Air Force are both the main fighters of the Indian Air Force. Their technical and tactical performance must be familiar to the Pakistani Air Force pilots, which undoubtedly makes the Indian Air Force very depressed.

In particular, the legal "Rafale" fighter jets that the Indian Air Force had high hopes did not demonstrate the strong and comprehensive combat performance expected by the Indian Air Force in the "Anatolian Eagle" -2021 joint exercise. JF-17 "Thunder" BLOCK2 fighters formed a crushing situation, but the Pakistan Air Force's JF-17 "Thunder" BLOCK2 fighters obtained an overwhelming 6:2 air superiority over the French Rafale fighters.
According to foreign media disclosure of relevant information, this is the main air combat exercise in the line of sight, JF-17 "Lightning" BLOCK2 itself has a very good fighter close air combat performance, it is perfectly reflected by the exercise, the outside world The generally optimistic Rafale fighter was cut by the JF-17 Thunder BLOCK2 fighter .

The excellent close-range combat performance of the JF-17 "Thunder" BLOCK2 fighter jet makes up for its inferiority to the legal "Rafale" fighter in over-the-horizon attack. The result of this air combat has a very important reference to the outside world. , That is, how to balance the fighter's over-the-horizon and close-range air combat performance.
The combat style and superb aerial combat capabilities demonstrated by the Pakistan Air Force in the "Anatolian Eagle" -2021 joint exercise will make the JF-17 "Thunderbolt" fighter jointly developed by China and Pakistan become famous. Helping the export of this type of fighter jets, opening up the gap in the international arms market, may be able to achieve good export results.

https://inf.news/en/military/8931ea9016c9e815ddbabcbed0f2e394.html

this is a similar article

 

[araz]

Do we have a link to the original article she's reading?

this is all "dil kay behlanay ko Ghalib yeh khayaal acha hai". I would not read too much into it. Rafale remains a beast and will give us headaches in an confrontation. However modern day wars are not a Dungal with one wrestler against another but a confrontation of 2 systems. Whichever side has a better integrated system will prevail.
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[graphican]

this is all "dil kay behlanay ko Ghalib yeh khayaal acha hai". I would not read too much into it. Rafale remains a beast and will give us headaches in an confrontation. However modern day wars are not a Dungal with one wrestler against another but a confrontation of 2 systems. Whichever side has a better integrated system will prevail.
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While that makes sense, another take on reality is that a system is made up of individual pieces whose performance in synergy create the combined effect. Yet battle-field systems do not stay intact throughout the war. At some stage, they will break down and again the burden of performance falls back on the remaining pieces of the system. So the system matters as much as performance of individual pieces. It will be a great news if we know individual pieces of our system came out victorious over individual pieces of enemy's defence system.

 

[nomi007]

Any 1 can confirm that
Is Qatari Air force is using Meteor missile or not?

 

[araz]

While that makes sense, another take on reality is that a system is made up of individual pieces whose performance in synergy create the combined effect. Yet battle-field systems do not stay intact throughout the war. At some stage, they will break down and again the burden of performance falls back on the remaining pieces of the system. So the system matters as much as performance of individual pieces. It will be a great news if we know individual pieces of our system came out victorious over individual pieces of enemy's defence system.

Could not agree more. Whether we have a war last this long is anyone's guess. However, I fully agree with your post and hence my caution in looking at this with too much jubilation. I think results of such events are never brought out in public and the likelihood is someone in PAF has just satisfied a query in the usual PAF rhetoric

 

[maverick1977]

Xiaolong won the gust in the military exercise, the Pakistani Air Force won the championship, and the Indian Air Force was depressed.
2021/07/13 16:49:28

It is reported that in the "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise held in Turkey, the JF-17 "Raiden" (Chinese called "Fierce Dragon") fighter jets jointly developed by the Pakistan Air Force and The Qatar Air Force's legal “Rafale” fighter fought and won the air battle in the exercise with a total score of 6:2 .
The "Anatolian Eagle" -2021 joint exercise hosted by the Turkish military will not only improve the training level of multinational air force joint operations, but will also share knowledge, capabilities and experience with each other.

This worries the Indian military, which has a territorial dispute with Pakistan in Kashmir, and fears that the Qatar Air Force, which has a very close relationship with Pakistan, will share the relevant technical parameters of the legal "Rafale" fighter jets in the "sharing of knowledge, capabilities and experience" between the two parties. Pakistani pilots and confession.

With the Pakistani Air Force pilot's superb flight technology and rich air combat experience and experience, when flying F-16A/B/C/D and JF-17 "Thunder" BLOCK3 fighters, Dan took control of the Indian Air Force's legal "Rafale" fighter jets. With regard to core flight technical parameters and technical and tactical performance, the Indian Air Force will undoubtedly be in a very unfavorable situation in the future air combat that the Indian and Pakistani Air Force may break out over Kashmir.

Now, it is reported that in the "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise, the Pakistani Air Force pilots flew JF-17 "Raiden" BLOCK2 fighters, not the most advanced JF-17 "Raiden" BLOCK3 fighters. Achieved a 6:2 air combat score against the legal "Rafale" fighter jets. This news is real, not fraudulent. This is definitely not good news for the Indian Air Force .
In this "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise, the Qatar Air Force pilots piloted the legal "Rafale" fighter jets and only won two victories against the Pakistan Air Force JF-17 "Thunderbolt" BLOCK2 fighter jets, while Pakistan The Air Force piloted the JF-17 "Thunderbolt" BLOCK2 fighter, but achieved 6 victories over the Qatar Air Force's legal "Rafale" fighter. The record ratio between the two sides was 3:1, and the Pakistan Air Force gained an absolute advantage in the exercise.

If the "Anatolian Eagle"-2021 joint exercise is regarded as actual combat, it means that 3 Rafale fighters will be used to shoot down 1 JF-17 "Thunderbolt" BLOCK2 fighter. This air combat exercise The results exceeded the expectations of the outside world.
With an average unit price of US$245 million (including related airborne weapons and equipment), India can be regarded as a legal "Rafale" fighter jet that has been introduced at a cost . It seems that it is not as magical as the Indian military and the media boast , and it can change instantly. The air posture at the borders between China and India and China and Pakistan has achieved air superiority over China and Pakistan.

The Turkish military organizes the "Anatolian Eagle" -2021 joint exercise in the context of actual combat. During the exchange of "sharing knowledge, capabilities and experience" and in the air fighter contest, the Qatar Air Force's legal system "Rafale" The fighter jets and the Russian-made MiG-29 fighter jets of the Azerbaijani Air Force are both the main fighters of the Indian Air Force. Their technical and tactical performance must be familiar to the Pakistani Air Force pilots, which undoubtedly makes the Indian Air Force very depressed.

In particular, the legal "Rafale" fighter jets that the Indian Air Force had high hopes did not demonstrate the strong and comprehensive combat performance expected by the Indian Air Force in the "Anatolian Eagle" -2021 joint exercise. JF-17 "Thunder" BLOCK2 fighters formed a crushing situation, but the Pakistan Air Force's JF-17 "Thunder" BLOCK2 fighters obtained an overwhelming 6:2 air superiority over the French Rafale fighters.
According to foreign media disclosure of relevant information, this is the main air combat exercise in the line of sight, JF-17 "Lightning" BLOCK2 itself has a very good fighter close air combat performance, it is perfectly reflected by the exercise, the outside world The generally optimistic Rafale fighter was cut by the JF-17 Thunder BLOCK2 fighter .

The excellent close-range combat performance of the JF-17 "Thunder" BLOCK2 fighter jet makes up for its inferiority to the legal "Rafale" fighter in over-the-horizon attack. The result of this air combat has a very important reference to the outside world. , That is, how to balance the fighter's over-the-horizon and close-range air combat performance.
The combat style and superb aerial combat capabilities demonstrated by the Pakistan Air Force in the "Anatolian Eagle" -2021 joint exercise will make the JF-17 "Thunderbolt" fighter jointly developed by China and Pakistan become famous. Helping the export of this type of fighter jets, opening up the gap in the international arms market, may be able to achieve good export results.

https://inf.news/en/military/8931ea9016c9e815ddbabcbed0f2e394.html

this is a similar article

what is over the hroizon attack? BVR parameters, long range ?

i thought Rafael was suburb in close combat, and inferior in long range shoot out, this article is contrary to all of it.

 

[CriticalThought]

Let's be very clear. Block 2s are no match for the Rafale in WVR. BVR is another domain and a lot depends on signal processing and support systems such as AEWACs. I don't believe PAF participated with any AEWACs but if they somehow had an interface with the Turkish one and it provided targeting coordinates, the results could be favorable.

The main question is whether Qatar used the SPECTRA system or not. How did Rafale's integrated EW and countermeasures perform? Let us not forget that Block 2s field only a PD radar which is exactly what SPECTRA was made for. I would not write-off French technology so easily.

The 'win' against Rafale also depends on mission profile. For example, Rafale is tasked with air cover, and the Thunder deploys stand-off weapons which Rafale is unable to imagine. Is this being counted as one of the 6 wins? This changes the impact of the win drastically.

The real fun will begin when and if Rafales come to Pakistan and either a prototype or actual Block 3 goes against them, spruiked with RD-93 MA and HMD/S and armed with PL-10 and PL-15 backed by KLJ-7A. Now that will be a true fight.

 

[Xone]

what is over the hroizon attack? BVR parameters, long range ?

yeah, True. that is BVR. The information is superbly surprising not only for us but also for the world. Just think of Indians, What they are feeling right now? dumbed and muffled, feeling toasted!. All their hubris has been heavily hobnailed. Remember this is JF17B2. What the havoc, B3 will wreak on them in BVR?

 

[SQ8]

ok fair enough but india is the enemy. here, why would Pakistan, Turkey, Qatar & Azarbaijan hide full capabilities from each other when they aren't only friends but very close allies?

Can you for a 100% guarantee that no-one from the Qatari team will allow the french to retrieve ELINT data the Rafale gathers via Spectra?
Is every Turk a guaranteed honest person who will not disclose something to a USAF contact or will they not use it to develop their own systems?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

doubt they had restrictive rules of engagement; the whole purpose of air exercises is to slug it out and check their systems's and sensors' performance to their maximum; otherwise how would they know the real time war performance?

That is a High Mark thing, but these multinational exercises are about learning experiences.

They set up controlled environments with restrictive RoEs and other measures to find specific weaknesses and to see how they can mitigate them within a combat scenario. The point is to lose (like how the USAF set up its F-15s to lose against the MiG-21bis).

'Winning' against the Rafale doesn't help the PAF, but rather, knowing exactly how the Rafale can mop the floor with the JF-17 is critical information. Likewise, Qatar would want to know how a low-cost fighter like the JF-17 can potentially pose a risk to the Rafale.

The 6:2 result could be true, but that alone doesn't tell the whole story. Perhaps they set up the environment in a way where the JF-17 has a favourable position; practically, the PAF will now try to emulate that favourable position in South Asia.

 

[White Lion]

@Windjammer Please look at this video.