analyzing the death of the jordanian pilot

[Rakan.SA]

i would like to point out some facts and logical conclusion about the death of the jordanian pilot so we can have a better understanding of what's going on in this dirty war.

1. satellites

we all know that at any given moment there are tens of satellites pointed at iraq and syria cuz simply its a war zone. that means there 24/7 surveillance.
we know that military satellites are very advanced but we dont know how advanced they are. its a secret. thats why american officials said they cant use information from their military satellites regarding the disappearance of the malaysian plane cuz it will give out a lot of its capabilities. and those info could be used and analyzed by russia and china.
some things we know about satellites.. all kinds of surveillance images videos etc.. electronic warfare and intelligence gathering from electronic devices. phones radio etc..
we know they can detect any temperature changes. so any fire is detectable like a burning house or a car. in this case the burning of pilot.
btw surveillance and temperature detecting can be done by civilian satellites so imagine what a military satellite can do


2. landscape

the majority of the land controlled by ISIS you can say its almost flat. some small mountain or valley here and there but nothing like afghanistan mountains. not even 5%.
so its very easy to detect moving targets or whatever you are looking for. its hard to hide in mountain caves like in afghanistan. you can see that by simply going to youtube and watch the fights. its a completely open area and open fields.


3. flying sorties.

there are tens of thousands of sorties and airstrikes since the war started.
in august and september of 2014 US alone flew 4100 sorties. and thats not the total number. if you want to take out refueling sorties out of that will leave you with more than 40 attack mission each day. mission not air strike. the real number are more. cuz there were more than 4100 sorties as i mentioned
according to defense news " The Air Force has carried out around 60 percent of the 16,000 total strikes against IS forces. The remaining 40 percent has been carried out by the US Navy and allied nations. "
and again the real numbers are more and not announced.


4. the filiming
the film was around 25 minutes. few minutes were outdoor. those few minutes outdoor took them few hours to do specially that there was a lot of acting involved. and of course all this was done during daylight.

after giving you some facts lets come to the logical conclusion.. if i was in in their shoes, and im sure you all would agree, i can only do this if im sure i wouldn't get attacked. after all its not worth it getting my best men and my best filmmaker killed cuz i simply want to execute the pilot. i have to be 200% sure. what will i say to al-baghdadi if i lost my best men and filmmaker just cuz i wanted the execution to be outdoor and more dramatic and i wanted my men to act ?!
so as you can see there is something fishy here.
logic tells me america knows something
and logic tells me that those actors or ISIS were very very comfortable. or maybe in a safe place. maybe in bashar al-assad zone. maybe israel. maybe it was simply done by ISIS but america turned a blind eye!
il leave the conclusion each to his own. but lets us agree that something isn't right.

 

[Rakan.SA]

@al-Hasani @Ahmed Jo your thoughts please

 

[al-Hasani]

@Rakan.SA

You raise some excellent points here brother. What you have observed is not really some conspiracy theory but actual questions that are left unanswered. For now at least. Your conclusion is not really controversial or bombastic either.

I agree. Something is definitely not as it should be. We will probably never know the full story.

I don't have much to add myself other than it all being very confusing. Now rumors about Miriam al-Mansouri (the "famous" female Emirati pilot) being somehow responsible for the death of Muath al-Kasasbeh have resurfaced.

P.S: The actual killing was definitely done by Daesh. That's the only criticism that I have of your post.

 

[Rakan.SA]

@Rakan.SA

You raise some excellent points here brother. What you have observed is not really some conspiracy theory but actual questions that are left unanswered. For now at least. Your conclusion is not really controversial or bombastic either.

I agree. Something is definitely not as it should be. We will probably never know the full story.

I don't have much to add myself other than it all being very confusing. Now rumors about Miriam al-Mansouri (the "famous" female Emirati pilot) being somehow responsible for the death of Muath al-Kasasbeh have resurfaced.

no this is just a distraction story. watch the US closely and you will know the answers.
you remember i told you how frustrated UAE is from the US. and how that a source said when UAE wanted to save the pilot the US let them down. now the question is how did the US let them down ?!
its not easy for the UAE to back off. you might think UAE is small military nation. and it is. but it is very active. UAE had a role with every american war for the past 20 years. i mean a military role. so for them to back off this is big.

@al-Hasani btw do you know any members here who are in the military ? maybe they can share their thoughts with us

 

[C130]

let's say the spy satellite actually saw this. it still would take hours for a human operator or AI to siff through the data.
think you would need a quantum computer to get real time awareness with a spy satellite.

 

[Established_1965]

i would like to point out some facts and logical conclusion about the death of the jordanian pilot so we can have a better understanding of what's going on in this dirty war.

1. satellites

we all know that at any given moment there are tens of satellites pointed at iraq and syria cuz simply its a war zone. that means there 24/7 surveillance.
we know that military satellites are very advanced but we dont know how advanced they are. its a secret. thats why american officials said they cant use information from their military satellites regarding the disappearance of the malaysian plane cuz it will give out a lot of its capabilities. and those info could be used and analyzed by russia and china.
some things we know about satellites.. all kinds of surveillance images videos etc.. electronic warfare and intelligence gathering from electronic devices. phones radio etc..
we know they can detect any temperature changes. so any fire is detectable like a burning house or a car. in this case the burning of pilot.
btw surveillance and temperature detecting can be done by civilian satellites so imagine what a military satellite can do


2. landscape

the majority of the land controlled by ISIS you can say its almost flat. some small mountain or valley here and there but nothing like afghanistan mountains. not even 5%.
so its very easy to detect moving targets or whatever you are looking for. its hard to hide in mountain caves like in afghanistan. you can see that by simply going to youtube and watch the fights. its a completely open area and open fields.


3. flying sorties.

there are tens of thousands of sorties and airstrikes since the war started.
in august and september of 2014 US alone flew 4100 sorties. and thats not the total number. if you want to take out refueling sorties out of that will leave you with more than 40 attack mission each day. mission not air strike. the real number are more. cuz there were more than 4100 sorties as i mentioned
according to defense news " The Air Force has carried out around 60 percent of the 16,000 total strikes against IS forces. The remaining 40 percent has been carried out by the US Navy and allied nations. "
and again the real numbers are more and not announced.


4. the filiming
the film was around 25 minutes. few minutes were outdoor. those few minutes outdoor took them few hours to do specially that there was a lot of acting involved. and of course all this was done during daylight.

after giving you some facts lets come to the logical conclusion.. if i was in in their shoes, and im sure you all would agree, i can only do this if im sure i wouldn't get attacked. after all its not worth it getting my best men and my best filmmaker killed cuz i simply want to execute the pilot. i have to be 200% sure. what will i say to al-baghdadi if i lost my best men and filmmaker just cuz i wanted the execution to be outdoor and more dramatic and i wanted my men to act ?!
so as you can see there is something fishy here.
logic tells me america knows something
and logic tells me that those actors or ISIS were very very comfortable. or maybe in a safe place. maybe in bashar al-assad zone. maybe israel. maybe it was simply done by ISIS but america turned a blind eye!
il leave the conclusion each to his own. but lets us agree that something isn't right.

But they still can't find MH 370 :-/ .

 

[SSG_Commando]

Let us analyse first who is funding ISIS and how it came to being!! Shall we??

 

[al-Hasani]

no this is just a distraction story. watch the US closely and you will know the answers.
you remember i told you how frustrated UAE is from the US. and how that a source said when UAE wanted to save the pilot the US let them down. now the question is how did the US let them down ?!
its not easy for the UAE to back off. you might think UAE is small military nation. and it is. but it is very active. UAE had a role with every american war for the past 20 years. i mean a military role. so for them to back off this is big.

Sure UAE's decision to suddenly stop their aerial bombardments after so many air raids since September might seem strange at first glance. There are rumors of UAE leaving the coalition (for now at least) due to US not providing Synthetic Aperture Radar capabilities.

Sandia National Laboratories: Pathfinder Airborne ISR Systems: What is Synthetic Aperture Radar?

Also simply it might be fear of Daesh attacking UAE. Imagine what 1 single attack can do to a country like UAE that has a several billion dollar big tourism industry and other sectors that are tied to security and a high level of trust?

Anyway there is always a motive behind every action. Now if we assume that USA somehow wanted the pilot dead and used his death for some weird gain the question I raise then is why?
If we even assume that they could prevent the pilot's death which I am not so sure about.
To monitor all of Syria and Iraq (Daesh controlled areas) is not really something that you "just do" regardless of the technology at your disposal. The area that they control is bigger than the UK.

I don't really see the motive? There is only one remote motive that I can think about right here and now. The pilot's death has obviously made Jordan much more aggressive in their fight against Daesh. It might make other coalition partners more aggressive or less so (look at UAE). One could argue (putting my conspiracy hat on) that USA by "letting" the pilot die might have wanted to force the regional powers (especially Arab partners) to do more than just aerial bombardments or more aerial bombardments. To push more of the responsibility on the shoulders of the Arabs while USA can concentrate on Ukraine and Russia.

Nah, I doubt that theory to be honest with you bro.

no this is just a distraction story. watch the US closely and you will know the answers.
you remember i told you how frustrated UAE is from the US. and how that a source said when UAE wanted to save the pilot the US let them down. now the question is how did the US let them down ?!
its not easy for the UAE to back off. you might think UAE is small military nation. and it is. but it is very active. UAE had a role with every american war for the past 20 years. i mean a military role. so for them to back off this is big.

@al-Hasani btw do you know any members here who are in the military ? maybe they can share their thoughts with us

No, I don't know any user here that is currently serving in the US military or in any Western army. I know a few people in person that have served in the French army so I can try and ask them.

@Gabriel92 is a great French user that has served in the French military I believe.

 

[Rakan.SA]

Sure UAE's decision to suddenly stop their aerial bombardments after so many air raids since September might seem strange at first glance. There are rumors of UAE leaving the coalition (for now at least) due to US not providing Synthetic Aperture Radar capabilities.

Sandia National Laboratories: Pathfinder Airborne ISR Systems: What is Synthetic Aperture Radar?

Also simply it might be fear of Daesh attacking UAE. Imagine what 1 single attack can do to a country like UAE that has a several billion dollar big tourism industry and other sectors that are tied to security and a high level of trust?

Anyway there is always a motive behind every action. Now if we assume that USA somehow wanted the pilot dead and used his death for some weird gain the question I raise then is why?
If we even assume that they could prevent the pilot's death which I am not so sure about.
To monitor all of Syria and Iraq (Daesh controlled areas) is not really something that you "just do" regardless of the technology at your disposal. The area that they control is bigger than the UK.

I don't really see the motive? There is only one remote motive that I can think about right here and now. The pilot's death has obviously made Jordan much more aggressive in their fight against Daesh. It might make other coalition partners more aggressive or less so (look at UAE). One could argue (putting my conspiracy hat on) that USA by "letting" the pilot die might have wanted to force the regional powers (especially Arab partners) to do more than just aerial bombardments or more aerial bombardments. To push more of the responsibility on the shoulders of the Arabs while USA can concentrate on Ukraine and Russia.

Nah, I doubt that theory to be honest with you bro.



No, I don't know any user here that is currently serving in the US military or in any Western army. I know a few people in person that have served in the French army so I can try and ask them.

@Gabriel92 is a great French user that has served in the French military I believe.

you just answered your self lol why doubt. i mean the americans said it themselves on tv on their reports and you still have doubts ? keep your hat on bro.
and regarding UAE and tourism you are right. and i said UAE is playing with fire and then AD attack happened. but as i told you UAE is involved in wars for 20 years now. its not a new thing. UAE just dosnt talk about it much.
when UAE stopped its air mission their local news didn't mention anything until few days later after western media talked about it.

 

[al-Hasani]

you just answered your self lol why doubt. i mean the americans said it themselves on tv on their reports and you still have doubts ? keep your hat on bro.
and regarding UAE and tourism you are right. and i said UAE is playing with fire and then AD attack happened. but as i told you UAE is involved in wars for 20 years now. its not a new thing. UAE just dosnt talk about it much.
when UAE stopped its air mission their local news didn't mention anything until few days later after western media talked about it.

Yes but surely my reasoning is not enough reason to do what they MIGHT have done? I don't work in the intelligence service (although I seriously could see myself in such a work - sounds very exciting and challenging) so I am just guessing based on a few minutes of thinking.

Are you referring to Americans calling for more regional action here? Just to be 100% sure, lol.

Indeed. UAE was actually one of the few Muslim countries (I only recall Turkey) to send actual troops to Afghanistan for instance. The UAE military is very professional and punching way above their weight as Obama has a tendency to say to all the smaller US allies.

Yes I remember that stabbing attack in Abu Dhabi a few months ago. She was caught the same day if I recall. Very good intelligence work. Everything got recorded too. I mean her actual stabbing.

It's a miracle that more terrorists have not attacked UAE. When you think about how relatively easy it is for people from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran etc. to visit. Same with GCC countries next by.

Yes, I noticed that.

Also what do you say about the rumors of Miriam al-Mansouri (that "famous" female Emirati pilot) being somehow responsible for the death of Muath al-Kasasbeh? I say bullshitt.

Anyway got to go for now.

 

[Schutz]

The world is slowly becoming more united with a common enemy, the ME countries which show progress are coming forth and hopefully problems like the islamic state can help speed up countries development, international relations and a modernisation of a country in the 21st century.

 

[Mosamania]

The world is slowly becoming more united with a common enemy, the ME countries which show progress are coming forth and hopefully problems like the islamic state can help speed up countries development, international relations and a modernisation of a country in the 21st century.

In the Middle East historically it has always been the other way around. The greater the problems the more severe the regression.

 

[Ahmed Jo]

Sure UAE's decision to suddenly stop their aerial bombardments after so many air raids since September might seem strange at first glance. There are rumors of UAE leaving the coalition (for now at least) due to US not providing Synthetic Aperture Radar capabilities.

Sandia National Laboratories: Pathfinder Airborne ISR Systems: What is Synthetic Aperture Radar?

Also simply it might be fear of Daesh attacking UAE. Imagine what 1 single attack can do to a country like UAE that has a several billion dollar big tourism industry and other sectors that are tied to security and a high level of trust?

Anyway there is always a motive behind every action. Now if we assume that USA somehow wanted the pilot dead and used his death for some weird gain the question I raise then is why?
If we even assume that they could prevent the pilot's death which I am not so sure about.
To monitor all of Syria and Iraq (Daesh controlled areas) is not really something that you "just do" regardless of the technology at your disposal. The area that they control is bigger than the UK.

I don't really see the motive? There is only one remote motive that I can think about right here and now. The pilot's death has obviously made Jordan much more aggressive in their fight against Daesh. It might make other coalition partners more aggressive or less so (look at UAE). One could argue (putting my conspiracy hat on) that USA by "letting" the pilot die might have wanted to force the regional powers (especially Arab partners) to do more than just aerial bombardments or more aerial bombardments. To push more of the responsibility on the shoulders of the Arabs while USA can concentrate on Ukraine and Russia.

Nah, I doubt that theory to be honest with you bro.



No, I don't know any user here that is currently serving in the US military or in any Western army. I know a few people in person that have served in the French army so I can try and ask them.

@Gabriel92 is a great French user that has served in the French military I believe.

So just leave Jordan to deal with it with the help of non arab allies? Because they don't want to get involved, they figure that, yes, daesh would eventually be a problem for me but if someone else is handling it and it's not an immediate threat, I can just rest my feet. You seem to think that daesh would only attack targets in the UAE in retaliation, no they would have already attacked if they could. It seems the Kurds will be our only reliable regional allies, they've already carried out several operations in honor of the martyr Muath. I would really love to see Jordan assisting the Kurds achieve independance through which ever way it can (using whatever influence in the US it has as well as military efforts), they've certainly earned it.

@Rakan.SA thanks for tagging me. As I said in another post, I don't believe unsubstantiated claims in all areas of my life. I need facts to form an opinion that I would stand by.

Like @al-Hasani said, daesh currently has 'control' of an area larger than the UK, meaning it would be very hard to monitor all of it in real time. Even if they saw it happen the person who saw would need to report it to their superiors who must then tell some jets in a base somewhere in Jordan or Bahrain to get all the way to raqqa (that alone must take at least 30 minutes) and somehow only strike those cowards that were standing around Muath.. Without igniting the gasoline on him.. But maybe they did in fact see it but couldn't verify it for sure and maybe that's why Jordan reported that the murder took place on January 3rd, because they already had info on this but it wasn't 100% verifiable so they couldn't tell the family of the martyr. Anyway, I really don't like speculating too much, these are just my thoughts.

 

[Rakan.SA]

according to US officials the jordanian pilot may have been shot down accidentally by his wingman

Jordan launches air assault on ISIS stronghold - Videos - CBS News

 

[Ahmed Jo]

according to US officials the jordanian pilot may have been shot down accidentally by his wingman

Jordan launches air assault on ISIS stronghold - Videos - CBS News

Interesting. Who was his wingman? The emarati pilot? Maybe Muath's father's statement has some truth to it after all.