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Analysis on the impact of China-India debacle

I would love to hear the opinions of @Joe Shearer and @PanzerKiel on this, please!

Dear, thanks for tagging me and thinking of me as someone who can give an opinion on this excellent piece of yours.

I have been reading this for many hours now, but have not been able to crystallize an opinion.....your piece is clutching so many branches at the same time, atleast its difficult for me to respond.....but am following all of it here and will chip in wherever i could.
 
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The topic is realpolitiks by china , so we discuss India somewhere else.
The effect of the Chinese actions on India and the responses from India should be the focus.

Agreed, you are right.
 
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The Chinese had always resisted any sort of effort of parmanent demarcation of LAC and reiterated that it should be best preserved for the future generation to decide. The tacit understanding behind this line of thinking is with more economic and military might, they might be in a much stronger burgaining position vis a vis India not in demarcation of borders but in areas where their economic and strategic intetests matter most.

Clearly the Chinese does not want an India that speaks against their interests be it OBOR, SCS or in the latest scuffle with the Americans. Neither the unilateral change of status of J&K echoed well in Beijing. For an aspiring super power that wishes to be hyphened with the US every now and then, such act from an weaker neighborhood would simply be perceived as a defiance to its dominance over South Asia.

Problem with India is its enormously pathetic resistance to change, be it military, political or bureaucratic. We need more and more young, honest, educated politicians. You can see for example, Mohua Moitra. What a fireband, eloquent young prospect she has been in recent years. The political system needs a reform, within democratic norms. We have an efficient electoral system and independent judiciary. Only thing we need is sincerity for change.

Military too needs a long overhaul. Infantry is still to go through intense modernization. Defence procurement is horribly slow, indigenous R & D practically nil. Being an engineer working with different technologies for the same purpose, I know how hectic it is to work with different systems. It badly affects the manpower hour, maintenance cost sky rockets and effective utilization of the overall system deteriorates. Our defence purchases should be more focused, more quick and more indigenous. Fortunately, for the last twenty years or so, after Kargil the thinking pattern of the army has slightly improved. Emphasis has been put on cordination between the forces, acquisitions have been faster.

But we are lagging behind what needs to be done by a huge margin. Corruption has weakened the whole system like a termite. Fund allocated for social development are practically being drained to party funds. The present government's economic policy, even though I am not an economics expert is horrible. Policies like NRC, CAB shows its not a government that is running a country. It looks like a political party with crooked narrow agenda is.

We have to get rid of our old prehistoric mindset. The Chinese dared to do it in the 70's with great conviction and human sacrifices. It is better late than never.I am typing from my mobile. Laptop doesn't work any more. So excuse my typos please.
 
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The Chinese had always resisted any sort of effort of parmanent demarcation of LAC and reiterated that it should be best preserved for the future generation to decide. The tacit understanding behind this line of thinking is with more economic and military might, they might be in a much stronger burgaining position vis a vis India not in demarcation of borders but in areas where their economic and strategic intetests matter most.

Clearly the Chinese does not want an India that speaks against their interests be it OBOR, SCS or in the latest scuffle with the Americans. Neither the unilateral change of status of J&K echoed well in Beijing. For an aspiring super power that wishes to be hyphened with the US every now and then, such act from an weaker neighborhood would simply be perceived as a defiance to its dominance over South Asia.

Problem with India is its enormously pathetic resistance to change, be it military, political or bureaucratic. We need more and more young, honest, educated politicians. You can see for example, Mohua Moitra. What a fireband, eloquent young prospect she has been in recent years. The political system needs a reform, within democratic norms. We have an efficient electoral system and independent judiciary. Only thing we need is sincerity for change.

Military too needs a long overhaul. Infantry is still to go through intense modernization. Defence procurement is horribly slow, indigenous R & D practically nil. Being an engineer working with different technologies for the same purpose, I know how hectic it is to work with different systems. It badly affects the manpower hour, maintenance cost sky rockets and effective utilization of the overall system deteriorates. Our defence purchases should be more focused, more quick and more indigenous. Fortunately, for the last twenty years or so, after Kargil the thinking pattern of the army has slightly improved. Emphasis has been put on cordination between the forces, acquisitions have been faster.

But we are lagging behind what needs to be done by a huge margin. Corruption has weakened the whole system like a termite. Fund allocated for social development are practically being drained to party funds. The present government's economic policy, even though I am not an economics expert is horrible. Policies like NRC, CAB shows its not a government that is running a country. It looks like a political party with crooked narrow agenda is.

We have to get rid of our old prehistoric mindset. The Chinese dared to do it in the 70's with great conviction and human sacrifices. It is better late than never.I am typing from my mobile. Laptop doesn't work any more. So excuse my typos please.

One of your better posts in recent times. Good to see you back.
 
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I bet we will do better than China in the long term, we will grow and play a major part in the global affairs as well as assert our influence in this world.

Chinese weekness is their power center CPC and its 9 dashed line.

Post covid China is been on the back foot and continues to do so, the 9 dashed line and the tussles with the neighbors around it will not help. China relies on exports, with out them it can only grow through internal consumption. Export oriented growth is suited for smaller nations not Giants. Anyway Chinese have reached the cutoff point where they cannot produce cheap goods any more.
India has progressed well in these 2 decades mostly through services sector and internal consumption, we are yet to unlock our potential in manufacturing and exports. I bet on Modi Govt. to implement reforms in this regard.
A notable decision that is taken recently is agriculture reforms.
India is betting on tourism(temple tourism as well as Indian Ocean Islands), Agricultural growth (encouraging non cash crops), Defense and Aero space sector growth, Telecommunications and Manufacturing.
Fortunately BJP gained the trust of Indians and this gives more confidence to the current Govt.
Despite all the supapowan talk, you still need to resolve starvation and toilet issues. You cant even contain a simple virus despite the headstart given. I still remember the Indians were boasting in this forum on how they are gonna prevail. Lolol
 
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Despite all the supapowan talk, you still need to resolve starvation and toilet issues. You cant even contain a simple virus despite the headstart given. I still remember the Indians were boasting in this forum on how they are gonna prevail. Lolol

Thanks to Chinese intentional spread of virus, the world is suffering and lakhs of people lost their loved ones.
First you start questioning your Govt. how did Hubei people suffered if CPC cared for your people?
Your Govt. do not care about peoples lives for few thousands of dollars or using the situations to get good trade deals. People started realizing the nature of CPC.

Regarding developments in India you have no idea what is happening here.
 
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China has the highest praise from WHO.


Thanks to Chinese intentional spread of virus the world is suffering and lakhs of people lost their loved ones.
First you start questioning your Govt. how did Hubei people suffered if CPC cared for your people?
Your Govt. do not care about peoples lives for few thousands of dollars or using the situations to get good trade deals. People started realizing the nature of CPC.

Regarding developments in India you have no idea what is happening here.
 
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I am finally glad to see a thread for reasonable discussion too. To be honest, I came back just to have some fun.:P

I don't know; with the new Mod team in place, there is more and more positive posting going on.

Some of us still suffer; I suspect that is due to an overhang. Whether it can be resolved or not is moot; one prominent member concerned has already started minimising his presence here, and that is a pity. But then so did I, at one stage.
 
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Chairman Xi is supporting tracing the origin of COVID 19 in WHA.

Everyone are waiting US to open up Fort Detrick

I am not sure Xi will be the president of China when the investigation completes. China just created a situation where almost every economy around the world went into depression.
Just showed the world how good the dictatorship or one party system is in China.
 
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You are referring to US TBTF banks and toxic derivatives?

I am not sure Xi will be the president of China when the investigation completes. China just created a situation where almost every economy around the world went into depression.
Just showed the world how good the dictatorship or one party system is in China.
 
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You are referring to US TBTF banks and toxic derivatives?

Why should I care of USA?
why bring USA into this discussion?
Chinese regime just made things worse for themselves and the world, in the middle of pandemic they came towards Indian borders too.
 
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