ANA keeping female prisoners as sex slaves

[Imran Khan]

but main ne to kuch or suna tha .

 

[CatSultan]

I don't remember if Dostum was trained in the USSR but Dostum was primarily, and to later regret, supported by Najibullah. And as I linked you to the qz.com article, Najibullah was betrayed by Dostum. So whatever ideological correctness that Dostum had in his earlier years, in the 1990s he became an opportunist.



Why should Pakistan have felt threatened ? Unless its leader was sympathetic to the ideology that the Westerners and the "Mujahideen" espoused ? We know about General Zia, yes ?

Also, not all Pakistanis were opposed to the government of Najibullah. For example, have you read Fatima Bhutto's book Songs of Blood and Sword ? In it she speaks of her father and uncle taking refuge with Najibullah.



Communism may have originated in the West but it found its most acceptance and implementation in the East and the Global South.



Not imposing but trying to reason through debate. After all that is the purpose of a forum.



And you think the Taliban are educated, sensible and worldy-wise enough to implement Islamic economics ?

And please read the last part of post# 12 where I quote an extract from Nadeem Paracha's article which speaks of how Islamic scholars in undivided India found commonality between Islam and Communism.

Yes I do think they are educated in Islamic economics. They have shown to be practical negotiators too.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

My point was this : When leftist thought governed Afghanistan the Western governments funded, trained and facilitated regressive Afghans and foreigners to destabilize the country. Will those same Western governments allow socialist or communist SPA to become the government even if the SPA had even one percent chance ? The West would prefer leaving the country with either with the current government in power or with the Taliban in power or some tie-up between the two.

Also, if you go through the SPA's website the movement seems against the USSR's incursion into Afghanistan.



Where did you see high heels ?



I too don't want anyone to impose modern Western "democracy" upon any country. But we must recognize two things :

1. Afghanistan, just like India and Pakistan, has some regressive mentality in the culture which must be countered by progressive and curing movements from among the locals.

2. Muslims and Communism need not be alienated to each other. From my thread from 2016 which is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha :

Bahane na bna bai. Saari logic teri nangi ho ke samne a gai hai lmao

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

@T-SaGe look bro enlightened Afghanistan with democracy. Amanullah and Ataturk as their fathers of the nation.

How could we ever support IEA when we have such infallible heroes like this?

 

[Dalit]

Bacha bazi belly dance.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

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Bacha bazi belly dance.

Americans and NATO really allowed the arts to flourish in Afghanistan. Unlike the Draconian AT

 

[Dalit]

US/NATO and Indian trained ANA forces.

 

[TNT]

ANA are thugs and criminals, not only girls but they even kidnap young boys. They take money on check posts and even kidnap ppl for ransom. Taliban are a million times better. Taliban are ideological and ppl may hate them for their ideology but one thing is for sure, they are not morally or financially corrupt.

 

[Khan vilatey]

What can you say about these evil ANA troops I am surprised there is amnesty for those that surrender…..

k

 

[jamahir]

Play of words

No, sincere sentiment. Explaining ideas takes more than a few words.

… you have settled the conclusion while you “admire” Him(S.A.W.) you don’t really want to follow him completely. He(S.A.W.) is just one of many for you.

1. What is involved in following him completely ?

2. Some months ago a relative of mine forwarded a WhatsApp message which had a list of the birthplaces of the 25 prophets mentioned in the Quran. Also, isn't there the Islamic belief that there may have been 120,000+ prophets ? This includes Prophet Isa whose preaching against traditional money lending carried over into Islamic law.

If two ideas are in conflict you will prefer and choose your communism’s teaching or Elon Musk or whatever.

If two ideas are in conflict I will go with the sensible one and that may well be from Islamic law. Other times it may be from somewhere else. "Best practices" like I said.

Yes he was, a factory boss in Uzbekistan before he was drafted in to support the war effort.

Was he a factory boss in Uzbek SSR or a union leader in Afghanistan itself ? Wikipedia has this :

Dostum began working in 1970 in a state-owned gas refinery in Sheberghan, participating in union politics, as the new government started to arm the staff of the workers in the oil and gas refineries.

And as a good communist (read opportunist) he kept Najib safe till he ran out of money to pay and the funds promised by India to Najib didn't materialise (surprise, surprise).

He was a plain opportunist, with or without Communist ideology.

Because soviet Union was aligned with India. And they wanted to implement their anti-islam system on an Islamic society.

1. Why couldn't India, the Soviet Union and Pakistan have been just allies instead of enemies ? Imagine if in Pakistan after the attempted leftist coup of 1951, Faiz Ahmed Faiz and his comrades would have successfully established Pakistan as a Socialist society, would then Pakistan have been a Western conduit later in the 1980s Afghan conflict ?

2. Like I presented earlier Islam and Communism need not cancel each other out. We can think of modern Communism to be an evolution of prior progressive ideas including Islam. And traditional Communism will also need to evolve ( please read post# 25 ).

By the way the mujahiden ideology has nothing to do with western ideologies. Learn to differentiate between ideological allies and alliances based on common enemy.

I didn't really find the "Mujahideen" to be great opponents of Capitalism.

Actually I still have that book.
So what did her father and uncle do while in Kabul, create a terrorist organisation called al-zulfiqar.

More immediately they wanted to achieve the overthrow the Pakistani government of General Zia to avenge the execution of their father but also wanted to replace it with a Leftist system. It was the trendy thing in those days to do all this using violent means.

And on his return got murdered by his brother-in-law during the government of his own sister (the progressive/socialist , western educated) Benzir Bhutto (read Zardari)

How was Benazir a proper socialist ?

It's easier to foul and suppress the poor of the global south then rich north-west. (No shit Sherlock).

No, I think the East and Global South truly had enough of the impositions by the Capitalist and imperialist West, and also their internal social and political backwardness.

I welcome it bring it on.

I have been debating since my membership began in 2014. Am I not already doing it with you ?

Yes a lot of them are educated and know a ton more about Afghanistan's history, politics, economics and geography

The Taliban may be "educated" in college degree sense but are they sensible ? Their history says otherwise.

If you at look a molecular level you will find a lot of similarities between the earth and Mars too. Just remember one is our blue/green home, the other a red hellhole.

But isn't the human race not producing the technologies and the understandings to go live on Mars ? Ideas evolve.

Yes I do think they are educated in Islamic economics.

So when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 did they turn the country into an ideal Islamic socio-economic welfare state ? Or were they obsessed with other matters ?

They have shown to be practical negotiators too.

That I agree. From allying with former communist turncoats to becoming the darlings of Western governments to selling opium to CIA they have indeed negotiated practically. And now they may well negotiate with the current Afghan government and become a major part of the government.

Bahane na bna bai. Saari logic teri nangi ho ke samne a gai hai lmao

What bahane exactly ?

 

[CatSultan]

When they ruled in 2001 their control over the country was still shakey.

 

[nangyale]

Was he a factory boss in Uzbek SSR or a union leader in Afghanistan itself ? Wikipedia has this :
He was a plain opportunist, with or without Communist ideology.

He was an opportunist in the best of Soviet tradition. Either of Stalin who killed more communists than any captalist, Trotsky (the Ukie Jew who ran away from his own creation) or Khurschev (the guy who brought the soviet empire to its knees).

Communism was and is a failed idea, no wonder it's nearly destroyed the mighty Russian empire, (which is saved only thanks to Putin's tireless efforts)

1. Why couldn't India, the Soviet Union and Pakistan have been just allies instead of enemies ? Imagine if in Pakistan after the attempted leftist coup of 1951, Faiz Ahmed Faiz and his comrades would have successfully established Pakistan as a Socialist society, would then Pakistan have been a Western conduit later in the 1980s Afghan conflict ?

Because Soviet Union was an abomination destined to fail, and India is a Hindu majoritarian state (obsessed with the subjugation of Muslims).
Pakistan purpose is to protect its population from ever falling under the Hindu yoke.
And what Western conduit you are talking about, Pakistan helped its Afghan brethren due to its own strategic interests. The 80s was a blessing for Pakistan where we defeated the evil empire plus became a nuclear power.

2. Like I presented earlier Islam and Communism need not cancel each other out. We can think of modern Communism to be an evolution of prior progressive ideas including Islam. And traditional Communism will also need to evolve ( please read post# 25 ).

Islam doesn't need communism, capitalism or any other ism. It is a complete way of life in itself. Only feeble minded people like yourself need to cover your shortcomings with all this progressive/regressive bullshit.

I didn't really find the "Mujahideen" to be great opponents of Capitalism.

So what? In the 80s Afghanistan wasn't being subjugated in the name of capitalism.

More immediately they wanted to achieve the overthrow the Pakistani government of General Zia to avenge the execution of their father but also wanted to replace it with a Leftist system. It was the trendy thing in those days to do all this using violent means.

Trendy or not. They behaved as enemies to their motherland and met a fate befitting of the traitors that they were.

How was Benazir a proper socialist ?

I don't know you tell me. She is the patron Saint of present day PPP which claims to be the Home of all socialist progressives.

No, I think the East and Global South truly had enough of the impositions by the Capitalist and imperialist West, and also their internal social and political backwardness.

So that justifies the massacre of the white Russians and countless others from the global East and South.
I believe Russia today is more at peace with itself and the rest of the world than the soviet Union ever could be.

I have been debating since my membership began in 2014. Am I not already doing it with you ?

But learning nothing. I gather.

The Taliban may be "educated" in college degree sense but are they sensible ? Their history says otherwise.

They have just defeated the sole superpower, they must be doing something right.

But isn't the human race not producing the technologies and the understandings to go live on Mars ? Ideas evolve.

Let me know when you reach Mars along with your latest Devta Elon Musk.

So when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 did they turn the country into an ideal Islamic socio-economic welfare state ? Or were they obsessed with other matters ?

Again why don't you enlighten us.

That I agree. From allying with former communist turncoats to becoming the darlings of Western governments to selling opium to CIA they have indeed negotiated practically. And now they may well negotiate with the current Afghan government and become a major part of the government.

There is no current Afghan government, unless if you consider the mayor of Kabul to represent the whole of Afghanistan..

 

[jamahir]

Communism was and is a failed idea, no wonder it's nearly destroyed the mighty Russian empire, (which is saved only thanks to Putin's tireless efforts)

So why is Putin helping the socialist Syrian government ? Why is the Russian government not suppressing the Communist Party of Russia like it is doing to the supporters of Alexei Navalny ? Why is the Communist Party of Russia the accepted largest opposition party ?

Putin does not wish to alienate the Communists and Socialists in Russia and also perhaps does not wish to disrespect the Socialist past of Russia.

Let me know when you reach Mars along with your latest Devta Elon Musk.

1. Elon is not my devta but someone I admire because he thinks far.

2. If this soon-to-come orbital test goes according to plan...

Starship stacking produces world’s tallest rocket

Earlier this month, SpaceX briefly stacked its latest Starship prototype on top of a Super Heavy rocket booster. The exercise gave us a glimpse of the scale of what’s now being called the world’s tallest rocket, taller than the giant Saturn V rockets that propelled the Apollo astronauts to the moon in the late 1960s and early ’70s. Engineers performed the stacking test on August 6, 2021, at the private company’s Starbase facility in South Texas.

Elon Musk – SpaceX founder and CEO – said on Twitter it was his “dream come true” to see the vehicle stacked for launch. And the process – and fully stacked rockets – are impressive, as you can see in the video above.

The Starship stacked on August 6 was SpaceX’s SN20 (Serial Number 20) prototype. By itself, it measures around 160 feet (49 m) tall. The Super Heavy booster to which Starship was secured – known as Booster 4 – by itself stands at 230 feet (70 m) tall. Together, they soar a towering 390 feet (120 m) into the sky. For comparison, NASA’s Saturn V rocket stood 363 feet (111 m) tall. And if the launch stand is taken into account, the number grows to about 475 feet (145 m) high, taller than a 40-story building. Do you feel small yet?

SpaceX calls Starship a two-stage “fully reusable transportation system designed to carry both crew and cargo to Earth orbit, the moon, Mars and beyond.”

...then the next idea for SpaceX is to send an uncrewed Starship to do a flyby round of Mars in 2024 and do a crewed flyby round of Mars in 2026 and then actually land on Mars in perhaps four years thence. Don't ignore the coming future.

And then there is Russia and China with their own Mars programs. And there are now three private Indian space rocket building companies and they may well, individually or together, build a manned Mars landing and living program by the mid-2030s.

Again why don't you enlighten us.

Please go back to my question.

There is no current Afghan government, unless if you consider the mayor of Kabul to represent the whole of Afghanistan..

You missed the latest news :

Breaking : Afghanistan govt offers Taliban power-sharing to end violence

Afghanistan govt offers Taliban power-sharing to end violence AFP, Doha, AUG 12 2021, 16:58 IST UPDATED: AUG 12 2021, 17:38 IST Afghan government negotiators in Qatar have offered the Taliban a power-sharing deal in return for an end to fighting in the country, a government negotiating...

defence.pk

They have just defeated the sole superpower

That "sole superpower" was the co-creator of the Taliban and is now asking Taliban to allow its embassy in Kabul to continue to function which will then make it politically easier for the superpower to provide financial and other aid to be given to the Taliban.

Because Soviet Union was an abomination destined to fail, and India is a Hindu majoritarian state (obsessed with the subjugation of Muslims).
Pakistan purpose is to protect its population from ever falling under the Hindu yoke.

Please tell that to the ghost of Faiz Ahmed Faiz.

 

[Itachi]

but main ne to kuch or suna tha .

Tu sunta he reh jana...

Ab dekha bhi hai na?? Tu bol.....koon sahi aur koon ghalat.

 

[El Sidd]

Please read my reply to you in the refugees thread.

Please provide a detailed description of what happened to Gaddafi's female bodyguards.

Thanks