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The following is an attempt to let a game engine play out an Arab-Iranian Air war over the greater middle east that includes most of the GCC peninsula, Iraq and Iran. The scenario focuses on a GCC presence in Iraq under the guise of taking out ISIS.
There is no script or otherwise on how the mission are happening. Its not an exacting simulation like others but due to the ability to introduce all these assets into theatre. It is a reasonable way to look at what might transpire based on basic initial variable in a Iran-GCC conflict in the near future.
@Horus @Serpentine @Khafee @JamD @HRK
Please feel free to tag others if you feel like it. Ill be doing it day by day as the system plans out its ops and creates missions and the environment for it. Ive been trying to tinker with the AI and Campaign planners for this simulator to get it to more realistic levels of tasking and operations. The results have been pretty surprising.
The video is in SD for now, will do Day-2 as HD.
March 2021- The Middle East - Operation Nasr-as-Salehin

On the third week of Operation Nasr-as-Salehin, the GCC ground forces who were emboldened by their success in Yemen and their rearmament have taken their deployment as far as north Iraq and now comprise of regiments of M1-A1s, Leopards and Leclercs along with various AFV's pushing back what are purported to be ISIS and other rebellion forces out of the Iraqi main grounds in what is being called a sanitation attempt to "rid the Middle east of terrorism". The push has met resistance from both the Shia militia's supported by Iran but also elements of the Iraqi Army not taking this uncalled for invasion lightly. More so, the push seems to be focusing on spreading strong points and FoBs across the Iran-Iraq border whilst bypassing populated areas which are left to be pounded by GCC airpower in the shape of a combined attack helo fleet with on and off assistance by fixed wing air power.

The Iranians have been protesting and actively helping the Shia militias fight back which is only leading to greater effort by the GCC forces to try and form a blockade on supply routes from Iran to these militias. Tensions have never been higher as both sides have been having near skirmishes.

The GCC is well equipped after its rearmament plans began in the early 2000s. The Emiratis have their full compliment of F-16 Block-61s , although they are still soldering along with their Mirage 2000's as they wait for F-35s. The Saudi F-15SA fleet is at full strength along with its Typhoon fleet, the Kuwaitis are pitching in with F/A-18s and Typhoons, The Qataris have Rafale's on standby.

The Iranians have also rearmed since the easing of sanctions. First to go were the F-7s at Omidiyeh which were replaced by Su-30MKD(with D for Darius) of which Iran had 120 on order with 60 delivered. Additionally, they had purchased the F-10BP fighters from China to replace the Early F-4D's. With the S-300's now fully deployed being followed by Low level Chinese SAM systems.. this was not an Iran without teeth.

Considering the increasing might of Iran and seeing time running out for their intervention being of any use besides dead troops, The GCC takes an ambush on troops near Khosravi to put Operation Fawz into effect. The entire air might of the GCC is comitted into a pre-emptive strike on Iranian forces and assets. However, the Iranians get wind of the plans via HUMINT at the key Air Bases in the peninsula..and launch their own defensive operation under the name "Inteqam".

DAY-1
Most of the early day or rather night was spent by my flying a F-15SA on fighter sweep, but I chose to focus on the types of assets launched. The most interesting bit was the game engine letting the Iranian side set up a fighter sweep prior to us launching to after the HVAA assets. They actually launched some 8 F-14s to go after the Saudi E-3 which was well inside Iraqi airspace and defended by EF-Typhoons. I had to cut that engagement due to it looking awkward with me switching between all the aircraft, but the F-14 sweep overwhelmed the Typhoons with AIM-54 and Sedjeel(HAWK adapted for A2A) shots. They took 2 losses but took out the 2 typhoons that were providing HVAA cover. The E-3 fell to the AIM-54 eventually.

 
The following is an attempt to let a game engine play out an Arab-Iranian Air war over the greater middle east that includes most of the GCC peninsula, Iraq and Iran. The scenario focuses on a GCC presence in Iraq under the guise of taking out ISIS.
There is no script or otherwise on how the mission are happening. Its not an exacting simulation like others but due to the ability to introduce all these assets into theatre. It is a reasonable way to look at what might transpire based on basic initial variable in a Iran-GCC conflict in the near future.
@Horus @Serpentine @Khafee @JamD @HRK
Please feel free to tag others if you feel like it. Ill be doing it day by day as the system plans out its ops and creates missions and the environment for it. Ive been trying to tinker with the AI and Campaign planners for this simulator to get it to more realistic levels of tasking and operations. The results have been pretty surprising.
The video is in SD for now, will do Day-2 as HD.
March 2021- The Middle East - Operation Nasr-as-Salehin

On the third week of Operation Nasr-as-Salehin, the GCC ground forces who were emboldened by their success in Yemen and their rearmament have taken their deployment as far as north Iraq and now comprise of regiments of M1-A1s, Leopards and Leclercs along with various AFV's pushing back what are purported to be ISIS and other rebellion forces out of the Iraqi main grounds in what is being called a sanitation attempt to "rid the Middle east of terrorism". The push has met resistance from both the Shia militia's supported by Iran but also elements of the Iraqi Army not taking this uncalled for invasion lightly. More so, the push seems to be focusing on spreading strong points and FoBs across the Iran-Iraq border whilst bypassing populated areas which are left to be pounded by GCC airpower in the shape of a combined attack helo fleet with on and off assistance by fixed wing air power.

The Iranians have been protesting and actively helping the Shia militias fight back which is only leading to greater effort by the GCC forces to try and form a blockade on supply routes from Iran to these militias. Tensions have never been higher as both sides have been having near skirmishes.

The GCC is well equipped after its rearmament plans began in the early 2000s. The Emiratis have their full compliment of F-16 Block-61s , although they are still soldering along with their Mirage 2000's as they wait for F-35s. The Saudi F-15SA fleet is at full strength along with its Typhoon fleet, the Kuwaitis are pitching in with F/A-18s and Typhoons, The Qataris have Rafale's on standby.

The Iranians have also rearmed since the easing of sanctions. First to go were the F-7s at Omidiyeh which were replaced by Su-30MKD(with D for Darius) of which Iran had 120 on order with 60 delivered. Additionally, they had purchased the F-10BP fighters from China to replace the Early F-4D's. With the S-300's now fully deployed being followed by Low level Chinese SAM systems.. this was not an Iran without teeth.

Considering the increasing might of Iran and seeing time running out for their intervention being of any use besides dead troops, The GCC takes an ambush on troops near Khosravi to put Operation Fawz into effect. The entire air might of the GCC is comitted into a pre-emptive strike on Iranian forces and assets. However, the Iranians get wind of the plans via HUMINT at the key Air Bases in the peninsula..and launch their own defensive operation under the name "Inteqam".

DAY-1
Most of the early day or rather night was spent by my flying a F-15SA on fighter sweep, but I chose to focus on the types of assets launched. The most interesting bit was the game engine letting the Iranian side set up a fighter sweep prior to us launching to after the HVAA assets. They actually launched some 8 F-14s to go after the Saudi E-3 which was well inside Iraqi airspace and defended by EF-Typhoons. I had to cut that engagement due to it looking awkward with me switching between all the aircraft, but the F-14 sweep overwhelmed the Typhoons with AIM-54 and Sedjeel(HAWK adapted for A2A) shots. They took 2 losses but took out the 2 typhoons that were providing HVAA cover. The E-3 fell to the AIM-54 eventually.

Hello @Oscar
I would like to raise some important points
It is related to Iranian Air force
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Iran Arms embargo will remain till October 2020

http://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/un_arms_embargoes/iran

Though there is a " carrot " in the Agreement with P5 +1 countries regarding
earlier lifting of sanctions but that that is unlikely to happen

A) UNSC will not approve it ( Veto by US and allies )
B )US is still dragging its feet on lifting the Financial and Banking sanctions

How can they see SU 30s coming to Iran
They would kill such a deal

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
When sanctions are removed in October 2020

In one year ie till 2021 ; they CANNOT get 120 Su 30

may be you should change the dates of the likely conflict to 2025
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW Iran will need 250 Su 30 to take on GCC air forces

That will take a decade
 
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Hello @Oscar
I would like to raise some important points
It is related to Iranian Air force
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Iran Arms embargo will remain till October 2020

http://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/un_arms_embargoes/iran

Though there is a " carrot " in the Agreement with P5 +1 countries regarding
earlier lifting of sanctions but that that is unlikely to happen

A) UNSC will not approve it ( Veto by US and allies )
B )US is still dragging its feet on lifting the Financial and Banking sanctions

How can they see SU 30s coming to Iran
They would kill such a deal

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
When sanctions are removed in October 2020

In one year ie till 2021 ; they CANNOT get 120 Su 30

may be you should change the dates of the likely conflict to 2025
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW Iran will need 250 Su 30 to take on GCC air forces

That will take a decade

It is a simulation . You understand what is simulation, right?

@Oscar interesting stuff indeed.
 
if am air war was happen at this very moment the Arabs should win 100%, but I get this feeling that the Arab Air Force is soft compared to Iranians even though they have superior aircraft and support.


god help Arabs if Iran get's advance Suhkois in the Su-30 or even Su-50 in the future.
 
The following is an attempt to let a game engine play out an Arab-Iranian Air war over the greater middle east that includes most of the GCC peninsula, Iraq and Iran. The scenario focuses on a GCC presence in Iraq under the guise of taking out ISIS.
There is no script or otherwise on how the mission are happening. Its not an exacting simulation like others but due to the ability to introduce all these assets into theatre. It is a reasonable way to look at what might transpire based on basic initial variable in a Iran-GCC conflict in the near future.
@Horus @Serpentine @Khafee @JamD @HRK
Please feel free to tag others if you feel like it. Ill be doing it day by day as the system plans out its ops and creates missions and the environment for it. Ive been trying to tinker with the AI and Campaign planners for this simulator to get it to more realistic levels of tasking and operations. The results have been pretty surprising.
The video is in SD for now, will do Day-2 as HD.
March 2021- The Middle East - Operation Nasr-as-Salehin

On the third week of Operation Nasr-as-Salehin, the GCC ground forces who were emboldened by their success in Yemen and their rearmament have taken their deployment as far as north Iraq and now comprise of regiments of M1-A1s, Leopards and Leclercs along with various AFV's pushing back what are purported to be ISIS and other rebellion forces out of the Iraqi main grounds in what is being called a sanitation attempt to "rid the Middle east of terrorism". The push has met resistance from both the Shia militia's supported by Iran but also elements of the Iraqi Army not taking this uncalled for invasion lightly. More so, the push seems to be focusing on spreading strong points and FoBs across the Iran-Iraq border whilst bypassing populated areas which are left to be pounded by GCC airpower in the shape of a combined attack helo fleet with on and off assistance by fixed wing air power.

The Iranians have been protesting and actively helping the Shia militias fight back which is only leading to greater effort by the GCC forces to try and form a blockade on supply routes from Iran to these militias. Tensions have never been higher as both sides have been having near skirmishes.

The GCC is well equipped after its rearmament plans began in the early 2000s. The Emiratis have their full compliment of F-16 Block-61s , although they are still soldering along with their Mirage 2000's as they wait for F-35s. The Saudi F-15SA fleet is at full strength along with its Typhoon fleet, the Kuwaitis are pitching in with F/A-18s and Typhoons, The Qataris have Rafale's on standby.

The Iranians have also rearmed since the easing of sanctions. First to go were the F-7s at Omidiyeh which were replaced by Su-30MKD(with D for Darius) of which Iran had 120 on order with 60 delivered. Additionally, they had purchased the F-10BP fighters from China to replace the Early F-4D's. With the S-300's now fully deployed being followed by Low level Chinese SAM systems.. this was not an Iran without teeth.

Considering the increasing might of Iran and seeing time running out for their intervention being of any use besides dead troops, The GCC takes an ambush on troops near Khosravi to put Operation Fawz into effect. The entire air might of the GCC is comitted into a pre-emptive strike on Iranian forces and assets. However, the Iranians get wind of the plans via HUMINT at the key Air Bases in the peninsula..and launch their own defensive operation under the name "Inteqam".

DAY-1
Most of the early day or rather night was spent by my flying a F-15SA on fighter sweep, but I chose to focus on the types of assets launched. The most interesting bit was the game engine letting the Iranian side set up a fighter sweep prior to us launching to after the HVAA assets. They actually launched some 8 F-14s to go after the Saudi E-3 which was well inside Iraqi airspace and defended by EF-Typhoons. I had to cut that engagement due to it looking awkward with me switching between all the aircraft, but the F-14 sweep overwhelmed the Typhoons with AIM-54 and Sedjeel(HAWK adapted for A2A) shots. They took 2 losses but took out the 2 typhoons that were providing HVAA cover. The E-3 fell to the AIM-54 eventually.

Sir,
IMO it would be interesting if these things are also brought into consideration for an adequate simulation.

1) The Iranian air defence systems would play a crucial role which is missing in the simulated scenario.

2) The Iranian Navy is the strongest in the region that would also play a major role in the conflict. Most of the GCC member countries would be committed with their Aircraft to stop the attacks of the Iranian Navy.

3) The Iranian's have shown in the past that the F-5's and F-4's would be extensively be used to protect the ships and would also attack land forces like ports and airbases flying in very low. Iranian AWAC's and Areal Refueler's would be flying in to support their aircraft hence they would have to rely on protecting them in their own airspace and by F-14's.

4) KSA Air Force JFT would be required to protect own air space rather then go on an offensive leaving the Tornado defence less.

5) Iran has a vast range of surface to surface missile arsenal and they would launch that as soon as the first explosion is heard.
OR
These missile can be used as preemptive strike on various targets all across the GCC.

6) Mig-29's, Mirage F-1's and F-7's would also play role both offensive and defensive. To add to this if the F14's are available to support even in limited numbers 1-2 would make it very effective.
 
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Hello @Oscar
I would like to raise some important points
It is related to Iranian Air force
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Iran Arms embargo will remain till October 2020

http://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/un_arms_embargoes/iran

Though there is a " carrot " in the Agreement with P5 +1 countries regarding
earlier lifting of sanctions but that that is unlikely to happen

A) UNSC will not approve it ( Veto by US and allies )
B )US is still dragging its feet on lifting the Financial and Banking sanctions

How can they see SU 30s coming to Iran
They would kill such a deal

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
When sanctions are removed in October 2020

In one year ie till 2021 ; they CANNOT get 120 Su 30

may be you should change the dates of the likely conflict to 2025
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW Iran will need 250 Su 30 to take on GCC air forces

That will take a decade



They could close deals today with first delivery in october 2020.
 
I would imagine the irani doctrine would involve swarm tactics. It seems to be a major feature in their wartime actions and plans. I am of course thinking of the human waves of basij during the iran iraq war. And the naval exercises which involve swarms of small, fast boats overwhelming battlegroups. Their testing of ballistic missile salvos and the rate at which they produce them. Also the rate at which they are inducting UCAVs. I would imagine the iranis throwing wave after wave of ballistic missiles, UCAVS as their offensive punch while keeping their (newly acquired and small) air power to defend their bases against arab strike missions.

@SOHEIL I would love your input on this. I only have a casual, surface knowledge of the Irani military and I might be entirely wrong.
 
But where is Iraq in all this I think the scenarist forgot that Iraq will receive all it's f-16 also there is a talk about Russians fighters now let say we have no air power we have no air defense and let suppose we are another Yemen!!! we still just with the PM forces can engage the invaders and defeat them since our pm forces determined to defend and they have better experience in fighting the enemies at home any way let them first get their feet out Yemen's mud then think about attacking Iraq
 
They could close deals today with first delivery in october 2020.

Though the sanctions have been eased ; but Iran is seeing very slow progress
in its return to International financial and banking systems

The frozen assets issue is also moving forward very slowly

Basically USA wants to retain lots of leverage over Iranian economy

The US sanctions on Iran are going to remain

That complicates the European and Other countries business deals and prospects

It is a very long road for Iranian economy to be re integrated with the global banking and financial systems

US -Iran disputes and disagreements remain over Iran's help to Hezbollah ;Hamas
Syrian regime ; Yemen rebels ;Iran's missile programmes

That is why US is creating road blocks for Iran at every turn
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Iranian economy needs massive investment to bring it back on a high growth path

Iranian economy has suffered badly due to sanctions ; unemployment is high

Hence Iran's first priority will be the economy
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Now coming to Russia which is going to supply the SU 30
On the basis of which this whole scenario has been thought about

Russia will not take a big risk and unless it receives payments
will not start making the jets

But the reality of US vetoing such a deal is very strong

Any Arms sale to Iran has to be passed by UNSC

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/5/us-will-block-sale-russian-su-30-iran-official-say/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-russia-aircraft-idUSKCN0X21TQ

http://sputniknews.com/business/20160405/1037525212/unsc-sale-jets.html

Iran will have to wait till 2020 for signing a deal with Russia for the SU 30
 
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I would imagine the irani doctrine would involve swarm tactics. It seems to be a major feature in their wartime actions and plans. I am of course thinking of the human waves of basij during the iran iraq war. And the naval exercises which involve swarms of small, fast boats overwhelming battlegroups. Their testing of ballistic missile salvos and the rate at which they produce them. Also the rate at which they are inducting UCAVs. I would imagine the iranis throwing wave after wave of ballistic missiles, UCAVS as their offensive punch while keeping their (newly acquired and small) air power to defend their bases against arab strike missions.

@SOHEIL I would love your input on this. I only have a casual, surface knowledge of the Irani military and I might be entirely wrong.

Hi,

With the availability of Thermobaric bombs / Daisy Cutters---the swarm tactics of the iranians won't work.
 
Hi,

With the availability of Thermobaric bombs / Daisy Cutters---the swarm tactics of the iranians won't work.
Against swarms of UAVs, Ballistic Missiles and Boats? I don't see what daisy cutters can do against 100s of suicide drones or ballistic missiles coming your way.

Are you suggesting that premptive strikes using daisy cutters will somehow destroy their stores of these weapon systems?
 
Against swarms of UAVs, Ballistic Missiles and Boats? I don't see what daisy cutters can do against 100s of suicide drones or ballistic missiles coming your way.

Are you suggesting that premptive strikes using daisy cutters will somehow destroy their stores of these weapon systems?


Hi,

I am sorry---swarms was meant for ground troops-----.
 
Not having nuclear weapons actually gives Iran a slight edge here. They can fire salvos after salvos of ballistic missiles at FOBs without the fear of nuclear annihilation (unlike the Indo-Pak scenario where ballistic missile launches would be considered nuclear launches).

Their media seems to portray that they are producing these missiles on an industrial scale. I don't know what kind of inventories they actually keep and whether they can sustain production in case of a war. Irani members can shed more light here.
 
:lol:

Good job !

Success in yemen !!! :lol:
You clearly are incapable of getting sarcasm.

But where is Iraq in all this I think the scenarist forgot that Iraq will receive all it's f-16 also there is a talk about Russians fighters now let say we have no air power we have no air defense and let suppose we are another Yemen!!! we still just with the PM forces can engage the invaders and defeat them since our pm forces determined to defend and they have better experience in fighting the enemies at home any way let them first get their feet out Yemen's mud then think about attacking Iraq
The Iraqi element I have purposely ignored out of an assumption that the GCC have used their leverage with the west to go into Iraq under the guise of killing radical terrorists. In such a scenario, how much leverage would Iraq have and whether its F-16s would be in play is anyone's guess.

Sir,
IMO it would be interesting if these things are also brought into consideration for an adequate simulation.

1) The Iranian air defence systems would play a crucial role which is missing in the simulated scenario.

2) The Iranian Navy is the strongest in the region that would also play a major role in the conflict. Most of the GCC member countries would be committed with their Aircraft to stop the attacks of the Iranian Navy.

3) The Iranian's have shown in the past that the F-5's and F-4's would be extensively be used to protect the ships and would also attack land forces like ports and airbases flying in very low. Iranian AWAC's and Areal Refueler's would be flying in to support their aircraft hence they would have to rely on protecting them in their own airspace and by F-14's.

4) KSA Air Force JFT would be required to protect own air space rather then go on an offensive leaving the Tornado defence less.

5) Iran has a vast range of surface to surface missile arsenal and they would launch that as soon as the first explosion is heard.
OR
These missile can be used as preemptive strike on various targets all across the GCC.

6) Mig-29's, Mirage F-1's and F-7's would also play role both offensive and defensive. To add to this if the F14's are available to support even in limited numbers 1-2 would make it very effective.

1) They do, Ive only shown a snippet due to the need to keep it short and sweet of a total gameplay time for Day-1 at 3 hours. Within that time, there were Iranian S-300 batteries near Bandar-e-Kangan, Khark Island and Bushehr that caused losses of some 4 Mirage 2000's(the entire flight flew into the net and ended up being engaged at low level by HQ-7(Shahab Saqeb) of the UAEAF along with 2 F-15SA's and 2 Typhoons each. Eventually though, they fell to later dedicated SEAD flights which put their radar's out of operation.

2)The Iranian Navy was actually not that active for some reason due to the engine, they stuck around Bandar Abbas.
3) Day-1 was the opening round and the simulated Iranian side chose to stick to ADA whilst only carrying out night CAS raids at GCC ground forces attempting to break through border crossings.
4) There is no JFT in KSA;s plan for now so I have not shown it.
5)There are simulated Zelzal sites within the AO along which were the targets of the opening round. There are also various PAC-3 and a few THAAD sites near the UAEAF and QATARI bases. However, the ballistic missiles are not simulated in engagements as per the platform's limitations.

Once again, its only a somewhat descriptive simulation, more focused on the air war.

Not having nuclear weapons actually gives Iran a slight edge here. They can fire salvos after salvos of ballistic missiles at FOBs without the fear of nuclear annihilation (unlike the Indo-Pak scenario where ballistic missile launches would be considered nuclear launches).

Their media seems to portray that they are producing these missiles on an industrial scale. I don't know what kind of inventories they actually keep and whether they can sustain production in case of a war. Irani members can shed more light here.
They may not be able to based on certain PAC-3 deployments and the fear of intervention by the US. At the same time, the threat of targeting Israel if the west intervenes might keep it a very regional conflict.

The biggest issue here is Iraq, and this scenario of putting GCC and Iranian ground forces in contact required an overarching assumption on Iraq's status.

Ill be doing day-2 later today, lets see what transpires.

Hello @Oscar
I would like to raise some important points
It is related to Iranian Air force
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Iran Arms embargo will remain till October 2020

http://www.sipri.org/databases/embargoes/un_arms_embargoes/iran

Though there is a " carrot " in the Agreement with P5 +1 countries regarding
earlier lifting of sanctions but that that is unlikely to happen

A) UNSC will not approve it ( Veto by US and allies )
B )US is still dragging its feet on lifting the Financial and Banking sanctions

How can they see SU 30s coming to Iran
They would kill such a deal

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
When sanctions are removed in October 2020

In one year ie till 2021 ; they CANNOT get 120 Su 30

may be you should change the dates of the likely conflict to 2025
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW Iran will need 250 Su 30 to take on GCC air forces

That will take a decade
If only it were just based on how many of what you have.
 

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