American Propaganda: China will Reclaim Siberia

[Genesis]

You claimed that "Germany helped the US in most cases before WWI.". What are those cases, and how did Germany help the most? They didn't help us in 1898. If you cannot substantiate your comment, let's dismiss it as an emotional outburst.

In regards to the 8 nation alliance, do not dismiss the Boxer Rebellion that led to it. In regards to the embargo, do not dismiss Chinese involvement in the Korean War. In regards to giving Chinese islands to Japan--which islands? In regards to keeping Taiwan from China, we did not have diplomatic relations with China. CIA in Tibet and Xinjiang? Of course that was the CIA, there is no possible legitimate grievance that the local population has had against the CCP.

You suggest I study history. I invite you to do the same, since you seem well informed about effects, and completely unaware of causes. No wonder why you think the US is evil.

San juan islands, the rest you look it up.

oh yea good points, good points. So if you punch me in the face I can burn down your house? No law in the US says revenge is cool. If two people fight, both will get taken to jail not the guy that punch first.

Also I never said Evil, you said how did us partake in destroying China, I told you. Don't group me with well. Let's just say you have been interacting with people who can't fight back for too long.


Boxer rebellion started due to the unfair treatment of Chinese people, the interfering in the internal affairs of China by stopping the empress from dethroning the emperor, amongst other things.

CIA trained monks in Tibet to kill people. Quebec also wanted to separate why didn't you let them, why even fight a civil war. Tibetans are more or less happy today regardless of what the Lama said, how many actual Tibetans have you talk to. Who would welcome back Lama, they may like more freedom, and we are working on that. But that doesn't give you the right to CIA train agents to kill.

There are current anti government douche bags in US can we train and arm them?

Korean war was a war fought on both sides, you died we died, that gives you the right to deny us the ability to BUY food. If you punch the mail man can the government starve you children.


No diplomatic relations with China.... China was in civil war, you kept a part of China out, that's what? Right? What if Brits had kept SC out of the union would you be cool with that?

The diaoyu was Chinese pre first sino Japanese war, the fact Taiwan was given back means, all Sino japanese war gains must be given back. Yet....There's an American documentary on this. I show you the Chinese versions, but can you understand Chinese?


You think I don't know the cause? But how far do you want to go back? I can do this all day. My history knowledge is very extensive, especially concerning China.Maybe you like to test me and see.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

San juan islands, the rest you look it up.

oh yea good points, good points. So if you punch me in the face I can burn down your house? No law in the US says revenge is cool. If two people fight, both will get taken to jail not the guy that punch first.

Also I never said Evil, you said how did us partake in destroying China, I told you. Don't group me with well. Let's just say you have been interacting with people who can't fight back for too long.


Boxer rebellion started due to the unfair treatment of Chinese people, the interfering in the internal affairs of China by stopping the empress from dethroning the emperor, amongst other things.

CIA trained monks in Tibet to kill people. Quebec also wanted to separate why didn't you let them, why even fight a civil war. Tibetans are more or less happy today regardless of what the Lama said, how many actual Tibetans have you talk to. Who would welcome back Lama, they may like more freedom, and we are working on that. But that doesn't give you the right to CIA train agents to kill.

There are current anti government douche bags in US can we train and arm them?

Korean war was a war fought on both sides, you died we died, that gives you the right to deny us the ability to BUY food. If you punch the mail man can the government starve you children.


No diplomatic relations with China.... China was in civil war, you kept a part of China out, that's what? Right? What if Brits had kept SC out of the union would you be cool with that?

The diaoyu was Chinese pre first sino Japanese war, the fact Taiwan was given back means, all Sino japanese war gains must be given back. Yet....There's an American documentary on this. I show you the Chinese versions, but can you understand Chinese?


You think I don't know the cause? But how far do you want to go back? I can do this all day. My history knowledge is very extensive, especially concerning China.Maybe you like to test me and see.

San Juan islands? Seriously, that's your example for how Germany helped us the most?

The US didn't start the Boxer Rebellion, unless you want to blame that on the CIA as well. Once our diplomats started getting killed, we had no choice but to get involved.

Tibet and Xinjiang: even if we assume you are correct, the CIA can only build on a pre-existing division. The CIA cannot invent unrest out of thin air. You can test this by trying to have the Ministry of State Security training and equipping a separatist movement in the US, and see what happens, how popular such a movement is. I wish you success, but I am willing to bet it will be nothing compared to what we see in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Yes, we both fought in the Korean War. Since China fought against the US, why would you expect the US to have friendly relations and send food aid to China?

We had diplomatic relations with the ROC going in to the Chinese civil war. The CCP wasn't elected into power--why should we have automatically recognized the CCP as the sovereign? We didn't recognize Franco's Spain for 15 years, either.

Diaoyu was captured from Japan, so we returned it to Japan. It was returned before the US had diplomatic relations with China. To expect otherwise is unrealistic, especially after China had shown hostilities against us in Korea. And China was ruled by the insane Mao as well.

My point in all of this is not to claim that the US is perfect, but rather that China is not also perfect. Thus, the one-sided hatred of many Chinese users against the US is unwarranted. The US fought two wars against the British, but was mature enough to establish friendly relations immediately after. Perceived American slights against China are insignificant, and Chinese hostility to the US is far out of proportion to those perceived slights. Certainly compared to Russian treatment of China, and yet China treats the US as an enemy and Russia as a good friend.

Bizarre.

 

[Genesis]

San Juan islands? Seriously, that's your example for how Germany helped us the most?

The US didn't start the Boxer Rebellion, unless you want to blame that on the CIA as well. Once our diplomats started getting killed, we had no choice but to get involved.

Tibet and Xinjiang: even if we assume you are correct, the CIA can only build on a pre-existing division. The CIA cannot invent unrest out of thin air. You can test this by trying to have the Ministry of State Security training and equipping a separatist movement in the US, and see what happens, how popular such a movement is. I wish you success, but I am willing to bet it will be nothing compared to what we see in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Yes, we both fought in the Korean War. Since China fought against the US, why would you expect the US to have friendly relations and send food aid to China?

We had diplomatic relations with the ROC going in to the Chinese civil war. The CCP wasn't elected into power--why should we have automatically recognized the CCP as the sovereign? We didn't recognize Franco's Spain for 15 years, either.

Diaoyu was captured from Japan, so we returned it to Japan. It was returned before the US had diplomatic relations with China. To expect otherwise is unrealistic, especially after China had shown hostilities against us in Korea. And China was ruled by the insane Mao as well.

My point in all of this is not to claim that the US is perfect, but rather that China is not also perfect. Thus, the one-sided hatred of many Chinese users against the US is unwarranted. The US fought two wars against the British, but was mature enough to establish friendly relations immediately after. Perceived American slights against China are insignificant, and Chinese hostility to the US is far out of proportion to those perceived slights. Certainly compared to Russian treatment of China, and yet China treats the US as an enemy and Russia as a good friend.

Bizarre.

I said the Germans helped, I didn't say the Germans were your mistress. There are others as well, but my American history is shaky and can't remember at the moment.

The Boxer rebellion was a direct result of the discrimination Chinese people felt in China. Also the interference in the Chinese court didn't help.

Boxer rebellion wasn't so much a rebellion as a group of guys that wanted China in Chinese hands and were state sponsored after the empress wanted it.

Name one event in which the CIA trained monks made a difference or had popular support. So you didn't do shit in Tibet. Before saying no support in US, no support in Tibet too. Yet your CIA was there.


You don't need to do anything to recognize PRC. You can do nothing, instead you stopped the conclusion of the Chinese civil war. Tell me you did it cause you like the ROC. Except you didn't CIA planned to remove Chang from ROC and thus a lot of dudes were either dead or house arrest. Your union leaders wanted no Europeans in the Civil war, meaning your leaders knew exactly what they were doing to us. If you had your way, China would be half instead of just Taiwan.

Japan took our islands, you had no right to give it to them, I mean unless you lost to them in war. You gave it to them cause you thought China would forever be weak, well guess what, shit happens.


Whatever cause you think you had, tell me which one justifies millions dead? OR in the Tibet monks case, which justifies you waste our bullets. I mean I think there were a couple death, but it was minimal at best.


Why do you keep twisting my words. I never said America was bad or good. I just said there has been offense and this tension is not from nowhere. That's fair no?

I also said America is too powerful at this moment, when we can take the US no problem West of Guam, then Russia and China relations may break. Russia US may even be good friends.

 

[Raphael]

I'm trying to get a handle on the Chinese mindset on this one. Why is Russia exempt from Chinese rage against the "century of humiliation," and instead directs the rage at the US, which was not involved in dissecting China? Why does China reach back in history to justify the "nine dash line," but rushes to renounce any historical claims on Siberia?

Happy 4th of July. To answer your questions:

1. We don't exempt Russia from for their aggression, but we don't pursue the matter either because it's history and we have reached a settlement. Same for Britain and France. The only country we dislike for historical reasons is Japan, and that's because of their appalling lack of contrition for their imperialism and war crimes.
2. We dislike the USA because of its psychopathic and disrespectful foreign policy, and its partner in crime, US corporate media, which disseminates endless propaganda.
3. We renounced our claims to Outer Manchuria in our 2001 Friendship Treaty with Russia. In contrast, we have never abrogated or prejudiced our territorial rights acquired under our 9-dash line. It continues to remain in effect.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

I said the Germans helped, I didn't say the Germans were your mistress. There are others as well, but my American history is shaky and can't remember at the moment.

You didn't say Germany helped, you said Germany helped the most, which is an outlandish statement. Russia sold Alaska to us, I would say that's more "help" than Germany ever rendered. The Hay-Herbert Treaty between the US and UK was far, far more important in terms of territory than the San Juan Islands. If you are going to suggest that the US somehow betrayed Germany by entering WWI against them because of the Kaiser's help in arbitrating the San Juan Islands border, I would suggest that the humor doesn't translate well into English. What about the Zimmermann Telegram? Really, let's not discuss superior knowledge of history anymore.

The Boxer rebellion was a direct result of the discrimination Chinese people felt in China. Also the interference in the Chinese court didn't help.

Boxer rebellion wasn't so much a rebellion as a group of guys that wanted China in Chinese hands and were state sponsored after the empress wanted it.

And as a result of the Boxer Rebellion, American diplomats were being murdered. The US retaliated. You resent us because Chinese citizens were murdering diplomats, and we put a stop to it?

Name one event in which the CIA trained monks made a difference or had popular support. So you didn't do shit in Tibet. Before saying no support in US, no support in Tibet too. Yet your CIA was there.

Let me get this straight. You claim that the CIA was involved in fomenting rebellion in Tibet (unproven, but for the sake of argument, let's assume that's right), but was completely ineffective in doing so. In other words, it was essentially a non-issue on a state-to-state level, but China's involvement in the Korean War against the US is something natural that should be quickly forgiven and forgotten by the US. Right.

You don't need to do anything to recognize PRC. You can do nothing, instead you stopped the conclusion of the Chinese civil war. Tell me you did it cause you like the ROC. Except you didn't CIA planned to remove Chang from ROC and thus a lot of dudes were either dead or house arrest. Your union leaders wanted no Europeans in the Civil war, meaning your leaders knew exactly what they were doing to us. If you had your way, China would be half instead of just Taiwan.

Not sure what you're arguing here. We had relations with the ROC. Communists were taking over China, and we were in a Cold War with the Soviet Union. The US relationship with the ROC was only in the context of opposing the USSR, not because of opposition to China. We opposed the CCP because of the Communist element, until we realized we could exploit differences between China and the USSR, so we opened diplomatic relations with China. Our relationship with the ROC/CCP was a function of our relationship with the USSR, it was not directed at splitting China and Taiwan or keeping China weak. You might notice as proof of this two little wars that the US fought to stop the spread of communism, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. As I said, as soon as diplomatic relations were entered with the PRC, the security treaty with Taiwan was abrogated.[/quote]

Japan took our islands, you had no right to give it to them, I mean unless you lost to them in war. You gave it to them cause you thought China would forever be weak, well guess what, shit happens.

Proof? How about proof that it was the US responsibility to review history since the 19th century and award sovereignty to China? What precedent do you have for that?

Whatever cause you think you had, tell me which one justifies millions dead? OR in the Tibet monks case, which justifies you waste our bullets. I mean I think there were a couple death, but it was minimal at best.


Why do you keep twisting my words. I never said America was bad or good. I just said there has been offense and this tension is not from nowhere. That's fair no?

I also said America is too powerful at this moment, when we can take the US no problem West of Guam, then Russia and China relations may break. Russia US may even be good friends.

I was responding to your claim that the US partook in destroying China, a claim which is tenuous at best, and categorically false at worst. Of all the great powers involved in gutting China, the US was the least involved, and yet China directs the most hostility to the US (besides Japan, of course). I can only marvel at the effectiveness of China's Ministry of Information. If you examine the details yourself, you will see that the hostility is unwarranted, and claims that the US partook in the destruction of China are unwarranted.

I understand economic competition. The US competes with other large economies as well. But our competition with China is different, primarily because China views the US as an enemy that must be removed from Asia (as per your comment about west of Guam). It doesn't have to be this way, but China seems determined to ensure the relationship stays hostile.

Happy 4th of July. To answer your questions:

1. We don't exempt Russia from for their aggression, but we don't pursue the matter either because it's history and we have reached a settlement. Same for Britain and France. The only country we dislike for historical reasons is Japan, and that's because of their appalling lack of contrition for their imperialism and war crimes.
2. We dislike the USA because of its psychopathic and disrespectful foreign policy, and its partner in crime, US corporate media, which disseminates endless propaganda.
3. We renounced our claims to Outer Manchuria in our 2001 Friendship Treaty with Russia. In contrast, we have never abrogated or prejudiced our territorial rights acquired under our 9-dash line. It continues to remain in effect.

Thanks for the additional detail, but can you elaborate on the "psychopathic and disrespectful foreign policy" towards China? As I have said in previous threads, we helped China in WWII, and after recognizing the PRC in the 1970s, have been tremendously accommodating in integrating China into the world economy ever since. Sometimes it seems that China doesn't know how to take "yes" for an answer.

Why did you renounce your claims to Outer Manchuria, but not the nine dash line? That's the underlying issue I'm trying to understand. The US has nothing approaching the level of territorial conflict that Russia has had with China, but you have quickly and easily forgiven Russia, and whip up hostility to the US for no tangible cause. Moreover, why dismiss the conflict with Russia because "it's history," but nurture resentment of perceived historical slights against the US? Why not just dismiss that as well as "history"?

 

[senheiser]

We had diplomatic relations with the ROC going in to the Chinese civil war. The CCP wasn't elected into power--why should we have automatically recognized the CCP as the sovereign? We didn't recognize Franco's Spain for 15 years, either.

Diaoyu was captured from Japan, so we returned it to Japan. It was returned before the US had diplomatic relations with China.

here you have your answer why china hates you. You could give the island at least to taiwan but you gave it to japan

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

here you have your answer why china hates you. You could give the island at least to taiwan but you gave it to japan

Can you provide a precedent for a country that won a territory in war returning said territory not to the country from which it was captured, but to the country that held the territory before the country from which it was captured?

 

[senheiser]

Can you provide a precedent for a country that won a territory in war returning said territory not to the country from which it was captured, but to the country that held the territory before the country from which it was captured?

you recognized taiwan as legitimate of china and there was no reason to give it to japan

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

you recognized taiwan as legitimate of china and there was no reason to give it to japan

Japan had occupied those islands since the 19th century. They were captured from Japan in WWII. To expect the US to have returned the island to Taiwan or China based on ownership nearly a century previous is not to be anchored in reality.

That haters of America need to stretch so far to justify their hatred of America only serves to convince me that the fault does not lie with the USA in this dysfunctional relationship.

 

[Genesis]

You didn't say Germany helped, you said Germany helped the most, which is an outlandish statement. Russia sold Alaska to us, I would say that's more "help" than Germany ever rendered. The Hay-Herbert Treaty between the US and UK was far, far more important in terms of territory than the San Juan Islands. If you are going to suggest that the US somehow betrayed Germany by entering WWI against them because of the Kaiser's help in arbitrating the San Juan Islands border, I would suggest that the humor doesn't translate well into English. What about the Zimmermann Telegram? Really, let's not discuss superior knowledge of history anymore.

Why does America work with Britain when Germany was the one that helped the US in most cases before WW1. For power.

This is what I said, you quoted me if you think I changed it. Don't have time to read the rest, maybe later.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

This is what I said, you quoted me if you think I changed it. Don't have time to read the rest, maybe later.

If I misread your original post, I apologize. That said, I disagree that Germany helped the US in most cases before WWI. There was the Venezuela crisis and tensions in the Carribean, tensions in the Philippines, Samoa, the McKinley Tariff, the Meat Inspection Act, the Wilson-Gorman Tariff (in response to German tariffs) and on and on and on. Germany did not help the US in most cases, no.

 

[Raphael]

Thanks for the additional detail, but can you elaborate on the "psychopathic and disrespectful foreign policy" towards China? As I have said in previous threads, we helped China in WWII, and after recognizing the PRC in the 1970s, have been tremendously accommodating in integrating China into the world economy ever since. Sometimes it seems that China doesn't know how to take "yes" for an answer.

Why did you renounce your claims to Outer Manchuria, but not the nine dash line? That's the underlying issue I'm trying to understand. The US has nothing approaching the level of territorial conflict that Russia has had with China, but you have quickly and easily forgiven Russia, and whip up hostility to the US for no tangible cause. Moreover, why dismiss the conflict with Russia because "it's history," but nurture resentment of perceived historical slights against the US? Why not just dismiss that as well as "history"?

Currently, the fact that we trade is not some great act of charity on your behalf, given that we trade with virtually every other country on earth, and given that our trade provides real benefits for you too, like how our treasury bond purchases prop up your spending.

You've astutely noticed we don't have any disputes in substance (after all, we're an ocean away from each other). Moreover, we don't feel slighted by the US on historical issues (except maybe on point 3 in the following). I don't think I've disputed that historically, US policy has been relatively amicable to China. I've already stated that the only country we dislike for historical reasons is Japan. Instead, our points of contention are that the US:
1. Doesn't respect our sovereignty, meddles in our internal affairs, and makes self-serving suggestions about how we should conduct our domestic policy.
2. Has made it clear that it will work overtime to contain us (see the pivot to Asia), and paint us as a threat to peace, completely out of proportion to what could be a just portrayal based on the facts on the ground. I should point out that we have not fought a war in over 30 years, whereas the same could not be said for you.
3. Transferred Diaoyu Island to Japan, despite the fact that they renounced all territory acquired through imperialism at the conclusion of WWII. It was a complete slap in the face to our wartime alliance that you would like to play up.
3. Is emboldening banana republics like VN and PH to push their inane claims against our territorial sovereignty. There is no way they would dare if it weren't for the puppetmaster in the shadows goading them on.

About the Manchuria issue, you need to see it in its historical context. The China-Russia friendship treaty was signed in July of 2001. It came just after the Hainan incident, and about 4 years after the US bombed our Serbian embassy. Both incidents were so hostile and completely out of line. At the time, it became apparent that the US had elected to lock their cross-hairs on us, as enemy number 1. So we chose to thaw our relations with Russia rapidly. It was a strategic decision. No such strategic exigency exists in the South China Sea, so we have no need to renounce our territorial rights there.

 

[55100864]

San Juan islands? Seriously, that's your example for how Germany helped us the most?

The US didn't start the Boxer Rebellion, unless you want to blame that on the CIA as well. Once our diplomats started getting killed, we had no choice but to get involved.

Tibet and Xinjiang: even if we assume you are correct, the CIA can only build on a pre-existing division. The CIA cannot invent unrest out of thin air. You can test this by trying to have the Ministry of State Security training and equipping a separatist movement in the US, and see what happens, how popular such a movement is. I wish you success, but I am willing to bet it will be nothing compared to what we see in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Yes, we both fought in the Korean War. Since China fought against the US, why would you expect the US to have friendly relations and send food aid to China?

We had diplomatic relations with the ROC going in to the Chinese civil war. The CCP wasn't elected into power--why should we have automatically recognized the CCP as the sovereign? We didn't recognize Franco's Spain for 15 years, either.

Diaoyu was captured from Japan, so we returned it to Japan. It was returned before the US had diplomatic relations with China. To expect otherwise is unrealistic, especially after China had shown hostilities against us in Korea. And China was ruled by the insane Mao as well.

My point in all of this is not to claim that the US is perfect, but rather that China is not also perfect. Thus, the one-sided hatred of many Chinese users against the US is unwarranted. The US fought two wars against the British, but was mature enough to establish friendly relations immediately after. Perceived American slights against China are insignificant, and Chinese hostility to the US is far out of proportion to those perceived slights. Certainly compared to Russian treatment of China, and yet China treats the US as an enemy and Russia as a good friend.

Bizarre.

Why would anyone think that US is not seeking to weaken China in every possible way ? U don't help ur biggest rival, instead, u divid, conquer，contain, demonize, isolate them, and that is the nature of international politics which occurred through out the history, why so hard to admit it?

It's not about evil and good, hate and love, we would do the same to weaken the US if we are the world's only superpower, we would build military base in mexico, cuba, canada, we would criticize US in every possible way, propagandize native indian genocide, occupation of new mexico Guantanamo Bay etc…...in every fuking day in every corner of this planet, create social disorder, fund the anti-US groups, etc……The rest of the world can find millions reasons to paints US as evil believe me, india will do the same, japan will do the same, every country who became the sole superpower will do the same, why not i mean?

Yes there are a lot of people hate the US to the bone, i guess that's the cost of been a superpower and u should not complain. as China getting increasingly stronger, we can feel the increasing hatred from the outside world as well because we are competing with perhaps every countries in every aspect, economically, diplomatically, militarily. there is old saying that the biggest tree catches the most wind, the nail that stood out get hammered down.

US is not evil, but to deny the basic nature of international politics is simply naive and laughably.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Japan had occupied those islands since the 19th century. They were captured from Japan in WWII. To expect the US to have returned the island to Taiwan or China based one ownership nearly a century previous is not to be anchored in reality.

That haters of America need to stretch so far to justify their hatred of America only serves to convince me that the fault does not lie with the USA in this dysfunctional relationship.

You American decide the ownership of the island is base on your military power, you wouldn't dare to defy us at equal military parity, we Chinese have no problem to buy time for now, the day we're ready, not only we will take it back by force if necessary but all your land shall be revocable...Winner take all...I guess

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Currently, the fact that we trade is not some great act of charity on your behalf, given that we trade with virtually every other country on earth, and given that our trade provides real benefits for you too, like how our treasury bond purchases prop up your spending.

You've astutely noticed we don't have any disputes in substance (after all, we're an ocean away from each other). Moreover, we don't feel slighted by the US on historical issues (except maybe on point 3 in the following). I don't think I've disputed that historically, US policy has been relatively amicable to China. I've already stated that the only country we dislike for historical reasons is Japan. Instead, our points of contention are that the US:
1. Doesn't respect our sovereignty, meddles in our internal affairs, and makes self-serving suggestions about how we should conduct our domestic policy.
2. Has made it clear that it will work overtime to contain us (see the pivot to Asia), and paint us as a threat to peace, completely out of proportion to what could be a just portrayal based on the facts on the ground. I should point out that we have not fought a war in over 30 years, whereas the same could not be said for you.
3. Transferred Diaoyu Island to Japan, despite the fact that they renounced all territory acquired through imperialism at the conclusion of WWII. It was a complete slap in the face to our wartime alliance that you would like to play up.
3. Is emboldening banana republics like VN and PH to push their inane claims against our territorial sovereignty. There is no way they would dare if it weren't for the puppetmaster in the shadows goading them on.

About the Manchuria issue, you need to see it in its historical context. The China-Russia friendship treaty was signed in July of 2001. It came just after the Hainan incident, and about 4 years after the US bombed our Serbian embassy. Both incidents were so hostile and completely out of line. At the time, it became apparent that the US had elected to lock their cross-hairs on us, as enemy number 1. So we chose to thaw our relations with Russia rapidly. It was a strategic decision. No such strategic exigency exists in the South China Sea, so we have no need to renounce our territorial rights there.

I am not claiming that the US has extended charity to China, but I am claiming that the US has been relatively friendly to China, and at the very least, merits normal treatment by China instead of the hostility shown.

To your points:
1). Not automatically taking China's side in territorial disputes is not a sign of disrespect. Should the US be offended by China's lack of support over our dispute over Machias Seal Island? Of course not. China should also not take US neutrality as an affront.

2) as you say, the US views Asia as unstable. The US wishes to stabilize it through active involvement, or a pivot, much like the US is involved in the Middle East. Asia is a strategic interest for the US, because we have trade there, allies there, and territory there. Where these things are not present, we turn a bind eye to China's maneuverings, e.g. Africa.

3) I re-read the Treaty of San Francisco and the Japan-China Peace Treaty. I do not see Diaoyu/Senkaku included. Can you please provide a link?

4). This is so vague that it's hard to counter. We are emboldening them because we don't automatically side with China? That's not a good justification for resenting the US.

As far as the rest, this is turning into a circular argument--China was already hostile, so took the least forgiving view of US actions, which in turn increased Chinese hostility. China regarded the Serbian bombing mistake as intentional, so I can you please explain why China thinks we did it? China is offended by its suicidal jet pilot colliding with our slow intelligence plane. Shouldn't China be happy, since it got to expropriate our intelligence gathering equipment from that incident?

As far as the SCS, that makes sense. But I can't seem to find good information on what is at stake. How much are we talking about (in dollar amounts, if available) in terms of resources in the disputed areas?

You American decide the ownership of the island is base on your military power, you wouldn't dare to defy us at equal military parity, we Chinese have no problem to buy time for now, the day we're ready, not only we will take it back by force if necessary but all your land shall be revocable...Winner take all...I guess

Thanks for a good example of unrestrained Chinese hostility to the US over insignificant issues.

Why would anyone think that US is not seeking to weaken China in every possible way ? U don't help ur biggest rival, instead, u divid, conquer，contain, demonize, isolate them, and that is the nature of international politics which occurred through out the history, why so hard to admit it?

It's not about evil and good, hate and love, we would do the same to weaken the US if we are the world's only superpower, we would build military base in mexico, cuba, canada, we would criticize US in every possible way, propagandize native indian genocide, occupation of new mexico Guantanamo Bay etc…...in every fuking day in every corner of this planet, create social disorder, fund the anti-US groups, etc……The rest of the world can find millions reasons to paints US as evil believe me, india will do the same, japan will do the same, every country who became the sole superpower will do the same, why not i mean?

Yes there are a lot of people hate the US to the bone, i guess that's the cost of been a superpower and u should not complain. as China getting increasingly stronger, we can feel the increasing hatred from the outside world as well because we are competing with perhaps every countries in every aspect, economically, diplomatically, militarily. there is old saying that the biggest tree catches the most wind, the nail that stood out get hammered down.

US is not evil, but to deny the basic nature of international politics is simply naive and laughably.

I keep asking this question, but I never get a substantial answer. How are we trying to weaken China in every possible way? Perhaps you can tell me what trade sanctions we've imposed, or what financial sanctions we've imposed, or what special anti-China tariffs we enacted, etc.

It's beginning to look like China needed an enemy to unify the people, and settled on the US because we are strong. More suitable enemies could have been chosen--due to real, tangible wrongs committed against China--but those have been forgiven and overlooked because the US is convenient.