American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[karan.1970]

News channel reporting that Pakistan Army has evacuated 2 of the 3...so called liaison and communication posts on Pak-Afghan border..
NATO says this step will drastically decrease communications between PA and ISAF.
ISPR says they have evacuated the posts,but its temporary..
anybody knows more about this?

Pakistan Says They Are 'Temporarily' Leaving Liaison Centers In Wake Of NATO Attack | Fox News

Pakistan pulls out of border liaison posts; US concerned | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

yes they are being de-briefed and will likely return to their posts eventually

 

[Devil Soul]

US should apologise to Pakistan, NATO pay reparations to soldiers: Congressman Kucinich
By Huma Imtiaz
Published: December 7, 2011
WASHINGTON: A United States Congressman from Ohio has called on his government to apologise to Pakistan, and for NATO to pay compensation to the families of 24 soldiers killed in a NATO air strike on a Pakistani border check post on November 26.
Speaking at an event organised by the Association of Physicians of Pakistani Descent of North America (APPNA) Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich, a Republican, said relations with Pakistan was a critical issue. “We need to apologise to the people of Pakistan, NATO must pay reparations to the families of the soldiers.”
His remarks come a day after US Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham called for Pakistan’s funding to be reviewed.
(Read: Key US Senators urge review of Pakistan funding)
Pakistani doctors face visa wall to working in US
Dr Zaffar Iqbal, a member of the 17000-member strong APPNA said “nearly 130 doctors used to come every year to work in the US some years ago. This year, only 90 came.”
Speaking to The Express Tribune on the sidelines of an event organized by APPNA at the Rayburn House Office Building to highlight to Congressmen the issues faced by Pakistani physicians applying for visas to work in the US, Dr Iqbal said numerous young physicians applying for visas to work in the US are facing delays or are being rejected by the US embassy and consulates. “They don’t get their visas on time, and hence can’t join their residencies that they’ve been offered.” Dr Iqbal said that hospitals then become reluctant to offer residencies to Pakistani physicians.
He added that due to less Pakistanis being given visas, the number of Indian doctors coming to the US to work has more than doubled in the past few years.
Dr Manzoor Tariq, President of APPNA, said that they had held meetings with the State Department and Homeland Security to urge them to facilitate the process.
The event also saw a number of members of Congress attending, and looking at APPNA posters highlighting statistics of the decrease in Pakistani physicians coming to the US. APPNA says that a majority of Pakistani doctors work in the rural areas of the US, and provide a vital service to the country.
Addressing the event, Congressman Kucinich said, “I’m aware of complexities around US-Pakistan relations, but you are our brothers and sisters, and we need to help facilitate those who want to take care of people here”.
Paying tribute to the Pakistani community in her district of Nevada, Congresswoman Birkley added that the US was facing a shortage of medical professionals, and offered her support to APPNA to push for more visas for Pakistani doctors.
Other members of Congress who attended the event and lent support to APPNA included Senator Bob Casey, Claire McCaskill, Congressman Guthrie and others.
Addressing the event, Tim Lenderking, the head of the Pakistan desk at the State Department, said that it was important to talk to the Embassy. “Pakistan has done a great job in contributing to healthcare in the United States, and we want to support that.”
US should apologise to Pakistan, NATO pay reparations to soldiers: Congressman Kucinich – The Express Tribune

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

the families should be repayed the damages; no amount of crisp bills will ever bring back our shaheeds. It wont bring back the father, son, the breadwinner


a paradigm shift is also needed; Pakistan has been at the receiving end of an endless salvo of media-attacks. The smear campaigns must be ended. Afghanistan and those in charge of Afghanistan must not take Pakistan's patience as weakness.

if they want to work as partners, they need to view us as equal partners.....so far that has not been the case

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I dont think demanding (read requesting) apology from America means anything and even if they do the unthinkable I doubt they will mean it.
flying a CAP nearby while their gunship’s massacred their Allies ignoring the distress calls and to remove the doubt returned back and attacked again hardly qualifies for a mistake.

maybe someone correct me but American state doesnt have the policy of apologising they have never apologised to the British their “cousins across the pond”. then why would they apologise to Pakistan?

I am getting fed up with these condolence and apologise demands and requests. The attack was premeditated and despite the efforts of Americans it didn’t escalate. While the culprits are now “investigating” the attack to explain why this attack happened, Pakistan should also give a detailed account along with the interviews of the survivors, the recorded radio massages and the CAP being flown by the Americans during the attack.

The appetite for war of that country is unmatchable since the 2nd world war it has been more or less in conflict from the tropical forests of Pacific to the Badlands of Southeast Asia and the deserts of middle east and not to forget its continuous harassment and toppling of government and assassinations in the Latin America. While its gearing up for war against Iran it also wants to take on Pakistan and wont mind going for Syria too.

 

[Oldman1]

yup we know, but the Ally heeds the calls and stops firing. doesnt come back and attacks again. doesnt ignore the calls, doesnt ignore the fact that these designated posts were already communicated to it.

Kind of reminds me of the A10 attacks on the British troops in Iraq. This is nothing new and not something to break relationship unless you just want to vent anger on someone you can easily see.


no my dear, its not BS...
1. Taliban ARE celebrating the attack of the Americans on the Pakistan army (which is not the first time).
2. Taliban ARE using this example to convince people to stop helping the WoT.
3. Mullah Omar has never attacked Pakistan, he is fighting the Invadors in his country.
4. pakistanis dont burn the pictures of Mullah Omar because he is only operating in Afghanistan and doesnt use the blue on blue excuse to repeatedly attack our posts.
5. As far as Pakistani Taliban or TTP is concerned, our religious leaders, Clergy, teachers, soldiers, policemen, scholars, doctors, rescue workers and ordinary civilians have protested and gave their lives while ignoring the threats of taliban. so what you say sir, is ill-informed, ignorant and malicious lie. But I don’t blame you if the media of your choice is very selective and choosing only the stories that suit the anti-Pakistan perception.

Mullah Omar operating in Afghanistan yet we see Osama Bin Laden operating in Pakistan so don't BS on that crap either.

Thousands and thousands of Pakistanis have been killed by their own and yet we do not see the outrage. When there is an accident of some kind its like the people of Pakistan is going crazy, like a black man just hit a white woman back in pre-Civil Rights movement. The Crow Laws. So as you said before they ignore the Taliban because its acceptable. I don't blame your media as well. Its understandable you don't see the Taliban as a threat even those they attack your forces and killed thousands of Muslims.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Zardari is in Dubai , Pakistani top Hospital standards have gone so low that the head off state has to go to Dubai for checkup.

Is he there for some talks or he is running way from issues, for some time being ?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Mullah Omar operating in Afghanistan yet we see Osama Bin Laden operating in Pakistan so don't BS on that crap either.

Thousands and thousands of Pakistanis have been killed by their own and yet we do not see the outrage. When there is an accident of some kind its like the people of Pakistan is going crazy, like a black man just hit a white woman back in pre-Civil Rights movement. The Crow Laws. So as you said before they ignore the Taliban because its acceptable. I don't blame your media as well. Its understandable you don't see the Taliban as a threat even those they attack your forces and killed thousands of Muslims.

Now now
so Mullah Omar in Afhganistan and you want me to protest against him? why? what for?
You mentioned Mullah Omar and I replied and you have no answer and resort to a kind of language which will only lead to personal insults. Now thanks for reminding us for the loss of thosuands of Paksitanis due to a War you guys imposed on us. yet I say again, I am sorry that you have missed it but the death and destruction has been equally mourned and condemned, almost every political and religious party has paid with the lives of its leadership. The outrage has been equally massive but as it happens your media didn’t chose to report it or your selective memory is failing you again. But what troubles you is why people are so much upset about American attack, like I answered earlier, its because we are supposed to be allies and allies don’t go around attacking the very allies who were there to assist you. So my dear, we wont protest against Mullah Omar because he didn’t attack our check posts last month but a supposed ally did.


Re OBL, let me tell you something stud, your President Clinton was more interested in getting into the knickers of Monica when he had the chance back in the days to kill Osama when a US drone made a positive ID of him in Afghanistan.

Whats more, during the Tora Bora operation the American forces let the AQ and Taliban leadership escape by deliberately not covering all sides.
And now that he was “allegedly” caught and killed as the popular opinion goes one might ask, what the hell are the Americans doing here? The reason for invading the Afghanistan is achieved so why not take a hike? By the way take a hint, even the Afghan soldiers from the north are routinely killing the NATO soldiers and their instructors now that’s a limit really and bugger off.

 

[Safriz]

a documentary on the attack should be released by ISPR

 

[Safriz]

expact more accusations to cover CIA suppoted terrorism which justifies their military stay in afghanistan....
Pakistani militants claim responsibility for pilgrim slaughter - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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as if afghanistan has run short if terrorists that they are having to import from else where.

 

[53fd]

expact more accusations to cover CIA suppoted terrorism which justifies their military stay in afghanistan....
Pakistani militants claim responsibility for pilgrim slaughter - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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as if afghanistan has run short if terrorists that they are having to import from else where.

Some of the US media outlets (like Fox News, the WSJ) have already concluded that the Taliban or Al-Qaeda are not responsible for these attacks. They have already concluded that the LeJ was responsible for these attacks.

This is what the Afghan interior ministry have to say:

Afghan attacks Taliban, not sectarian, says interior ministry

Two attacks apparently targeting Shia Muslims have killed at least 58 people in Afghanistan.

In the deadliest incident, a suicide bomb struck a shrine in Kabul, while another blast struck near a Shia mosque in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

But Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman, Sadiq Saddiqi, said he believed the attacks were not sectarian.

He told BBC News he thought the Taliban were responsible for the attacks.

A Taliban statement said the group had not been behind either incident.

BBC News - Afghan attacks Taliban, not sectarian, says interior ministry

 

[Omar1984]

Pentagon wants restoration of Pak posts on Afghan border


WASHINGTON: Pentagon Tuesday expressed hope that Pakistan would restore all posts at Afghan border.

Earlier, Pakistan temporarily recalled some troops from border posts meant to coordinate activity with international forces in Afghanistan.

According to the Pentagon spokesman, this would certainly have an impact on the operations and risks the chances of incidents like the one that happened last month. He said that availability of centres would help to stop such incidents.

He said they wanted to get back a level of greater cooperation with Pakistani military.

Spokesman said that Pakistan did not recall all of its personnel, adding that they left one officer in each centres.



Pentagon wants restoration of Pak posts on Afghan border

 

[Devil Soul]

US hopeful Pakistan officers will return to border liaison centers soon
By Huma Imtiaz
Published: December 7, 2011
WASHINGTON: Captain John F Kirby, the Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense hoped that Pakistan’s officers can return to border coordination centers soon.
Speaking to The Express Tribune, Captain Kirby said, “We are aware that Pakistan has decided to remove some of their liaison officers from some of the border coordination centers. This is certainly Pakistan’s right. We hope those liaison officers can resume their duties soon in as much as their presence is designed to help us reduce the risk of another such incident occurring.”
Earlier on Monday, the Associated Press reported that Pakistan was pulling out troops from two of the three border coordination units at the Pak-Afghan border set-up for communication between NATO and Pakistani troops in retaliation to the NATO attack on November 26 that led to the death of 24 Pakistani soldiers.
Read more: natoattack
US hopeful Pakistan officers will return to border liaison centers soon – The Express Tribune

 

[Hasnain2009]

A must watch video, specially for americans !

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

Respected members,

Please,

why do you really have to invite trolls by making such wishful posts? We all know where we stand.

Back in the days during the 80s we were able to stand the Soviets and shoot their planes because we had an active and ample backing of the Western and Muslim block. There is nothing of that sort at the moment and we are on our own.

Hopefully such day never comes when there are more casualties between the NATO and Pakistan because they were supposed to have Taliban as common enemy not become enemies of each other . You need to understand that there are elections coming in America and no one will like to appear a failure and weak .so pray for peace not war.

There is no need for any special order from COAS (that’s just for media consumption just like asking US to vacate Shamsi base for nth time). If the soldiers come under sustained and deliberate fire they will retaliate anyway and hopefully with better air defence equipment but lets not pray for such event because as the things are 99% chances are that we will come worse off whether we like it or not.

not agreed with the bold part.