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What makes you think they will continue to sit in Afghanistan with no/reduced supplies?
American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'
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What makes you think they will continue to sit in Afghanistan with no/reduced supplies?
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Karachi Students Protest.
The protestors organise themselves on the road outside the fortified US consulate building before they begin to march.
“We want transparency and accountability of any secret or political games happening between the US and Pakistan. We want open disclosure of information of whatever is happening in the corridors of power in our country today,” said Bemisal, an International Relations student and one of the organisers.
“GO NATO GO!” shouts an angry protestor.
Demonstrators block half the street outside the embassy, holding up an enormous Pakistani flag and passionately singing the national anthem at the top of their voices.
The protestors organise themselves on the road outside the fortified US consulate building before they begin to march.
“We want transparency and accountability of any secret or political games happening between the US and Pakistan. We want open disclosure of information of whatever is happening in the corridors of power in our country today,” said Bemisal, an International Relations student and one of the organisers.
“GO NATO GO!” shouts an angry protestor.
Demonstrators block half the street outside the embassy, holding up an enormous Pakistani flag and passionately singing the national anthem at the top of their voices.
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“Our political leaders don’t visit the US as much as our military generals do, and half our budget is taken away by the army. If they can’t defend their own selves, how will they defend us?” said Muhammad Yousuf, member of ‘Pakistan Awami Sangat’, a local student fraternity operating in the Korangi area to create awareness amongst the masses.
Candles are lit up as dusk approaches.
More people join in the candle light vigil across the road from the US embassy.
Some protestors have spray-painted their demands on the sidewalk as others walk on.
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Protestors lighting candles on the side of the road as the day gets darker.
More candles being lit up.
A demonstrator holds up a hand-made banner as others participate in the vigil.
A representative of the ‘Pakistan Awami Sangat’ wearing the colours of the national flag round his head.
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Aamna, a university student and primary school teacher, lights a candle. “We can’t just sit at home and watch the news telling us more of our people got killed again by Nato. It’s time we come out on the streets and record our protests.”
Children also actively took part in the protest.
Passionate protestors sing the national anthem on the candle-lit sidewalk, amid cries of “Go Nato Go!”
Courtesy: DAWN News.
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Even Katrina Kaif speaks with a better accent than Cameron Munter... Took me a while to realize what the hell he meant by "bohat".
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Munter or any official must be thinking to use urdu words in order to make us feeling good or fall in love with them again. Deceptions and tricks known by US methods.
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Munter or any official must be thinking to use urdu words in order to make us feeling good or fall in love with them again. Deceptions and tricks known by US methods.
Unless he can speak it flawlessly, he shouldn't just touch it. It sounds rather irritating making such cheap and shallow efforts when talking about matters so grave.
However, if he were as good as Robert Blackville (US amb to India - he spoke better Hindi than majority of educated Indians), it would be altogether a different story.
I never understood such people who go to countries as Ambassadors and yet do not make an effort to learn the language - unpardonable sin.
Unless he can speak it flawlessly, he shouldn't just touch it. It sounds rather irritating making such cheap and shallow efforts when talking about matters so grave.
However, if he were as good as Robert Blackville (US amb to India - he spoke better Hindi than majority of educated Indians), it would be altogether a different story.
I never understood such people who go to countries as Ambassadors and yet do not make an effort to learn the language - unpardonable sin.
well said, Camacho. I think, he should be replaced by Robert Blackville! Most of the Ambassadors at last minute to learn some foreign languages to please them or hope to cool down high tensions. That's it.
You can tell how his soft face expression in soft voices ....like this
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Munter or any official must be thinking to use urdu words in order to make us feeling good or fall in love with them again. Deceptions and tricks known by US methods.
Talk about being a Chameleon......
BTW i have met this guy in US, 6 months before he was Posted to Islamabad. He was eating biryani made by South Asian students at a college.
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You better believe it mate.. I mean about a person being silly while arguing..
I surely want to wait for the report.. however when some of our unsilly esteemed members claim that there is no way the report from NATO can offer any plausible explanation for the helis not stopping even after being told about blue on blue, in my view, there is no harm in offering possible scenarios. After all, a lot of these unsilly members spent pages and pages explaining why the NATO forces couldnt have come under fire as there is no gun that can fire 2.5 km.. Kind of looked silly once ISPR agreed to the NATO's unofficial version of posts being approx 300 yards from the border..
Its simple buddy.. Things that may sound silly when you are basing all your analysis on a set of assumptions, become pretty plausible if one or more of those assumptions get negated..
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Anti Terror Cooperation: Pakistan to rewrite rules of engagement
ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan has decided to scrap all existing anti-terror cooperation agreements with the United States in a development that may not only take the uneasy alliance between the two countries to the point of no return but also impede world efforts at bringing sustainable peace in Afghanistan.
The decision, which was taken after consultations at the top civil and military levels following the Nato airstrikes, is part of a review of political, diplomatic and military ties with the US, officials familiar with the development told The Express Tribune.
This, however, does not mean the government is seeking a complete breakdown in the relationship with the US. Rather, it is aiming to enter a fresh agreement that clearly states in writing Pakistans red lines and firm assurance from Washington not to violate those in the future, added the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The countrys insistence on re-drafting the rules of engagements is part of what is believed to be tough conditions set out for the resumption of business as usual with the US.
Since the November 26 Nato attacks at Pakistani border posts in Mohmand Agency, Islamabad appears to have hardened its stance a move that could jeopardise the US campaign in Afghanistan.
Pakistan has already boycotted the key international conference on Afghanistan, scheduled to begin on Monday in the German city of Bonn, in protest and as an attempt to send a clear message to the US that it will not become part of any reconciliation process if its sovereignty continues to be violated by Nato forces.
It is not possible to continue cooperation under the existing arrangements following the Nato attack, said a senior military official.Pakistan can now only restart its cooperation with the US after a new agreement that clearly defines rules of engagements, the official pointed out.The review the government intends to undertake may also affect the CIA-led drone campaign in the countrys tribal areas.Though, Pakistan publicly condemns the use of pilot-less drones as violation of its sovereignty, it is believed that there exists a secret understanding with the US.
This will now be renegotiated, disclosed another official.US has taken advantage Officials believe that the US has taken advantage of the level of freedom given to them to pursue war on terror on Pakistani soil.
The repeated incursions by the US-led Nato forces is also attributed to the loose arrangements agreed between the two countries during the former military ruler General Pervez Musharrafs regime.
When approached, Director-General Inter-Service Public Relations (ISPR) Major General Athar Abbas said cooperation with the US would be revisited in line with the governments decision. However, he would not share further details.
Despite Pakistans tough stance, the US has not yet indicated or approached the government that it is willing to renegotiate terms of engagement.The only thing they (US) are saying at the moment is, wait for the findings of the investigations into the Nato attack, said a foreign ministry official.The inquiry, which was ordered by the US Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, will be made public on December 23.
Irrespective of the US probe, Pakistan military is clear that the attack was deliberate and a simple apology wont normalise relationship.US error blamed for airstrike A report in The Telegraph said on Sunday that the US officers gave incorrect information to their Pakistani counterparts to seek clearance regarding the Nato airstrike.
The report quoted a Pakistani military official, while talking to The Sunday Telegraph, saying that the US gave wrong information to the border coordination unit about a suspected Taliban position before the attack while seeking clearance from the Pakistani side to carry out the attack.
The strike had begun before we realised the target was a border post, he said. The Americans say we gave them clearance but they gave us the wrong information. (with additional input from wires)
Anti-terror cooperation: Pakistan to rewrite rules of engagement The Express Tribune
ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan has decided to scrap all existing anti-terror cooperation agreements with the United States in a development that may not only take the uneasy alliance between the two countries to the point of no return but also impede world efforts at bringing sustainable peace in Afghanistan.
The decision, which was taken after consultations at the top civil and military levels following the Nato airstrikes, is part of a review of political, diplomatic and military ties with the US, officials familiar with the development told The Express Tribune.
This, however, does not mean the government is seeking a complete breakdown in the relationship with the US. Rather, it is aiming to enter a fresh agreement that clearly states in writing Pakistans red lines and firm assurance from Washington not to violate those in the future, added the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The countrys insistence on re-drafting the rules of engagements is part of what is believed to be tough conditions set out for the resumption of business as usual with the US.
Since the November 26 Nato attacks at Pakistani border posts in Mohmand Agency, Islamabad appears to have hardened its stance a move that could jeopardise the US campaign in Afghanistan.
Pakistan has already boycotted the key international conference on Afghanistan, scheduled to begin on Monday in the German city of Bonn, in protest and as an attempt to send a clear message to the US that it will not become part of any reconciliation process if its sovereignty continues to be violated by Nato forces.
It is not possible to continue cooperation under the existing arrangements following the Nato attack, said a senior military official.Pakistan can now only restart its cooperation with the US after a new agreement that clearly defines rules of engagements, the official pointed out.The review the government intends to undertake may also affect the CIA-led drone campaign in the countrys tribal areas.Though, Pakistan publicly condemns the use of pilot-less drones as violation of its sovereignty, it is believed that there exists a secret understanding with the US.
This will now be renegotiated, disclosed another official.US has taken advantage Officials believe that the US has taken advantage of the level of freedom given to them to pursue war on terror on Pakistani soil.
The repeated incursions by the US-led Nato forces is also attributed to the loose arrangements agreed between the two countries during the former military ruler General Pervez Musharrafs regime.
When approached, Director-General Inter-Service Public Relations (ISPR) Major General Athar Abbas said cooperation with the US would be revisited in line with the governments decision. However, he would not share further details.
Despite Pakistans tough stance, the US has not yet indicated or approached the government that it is willing to renegotiate terms of engagement.The only thing they (US) are saying at the moment is, wait for the findings of the investigations into the Nato attack, said a foreign ministry official.The inquiry, which was ordered by the US Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, will be made public on December 23.
Irrespective of the US probe, Pakistan military is clear that the attack was deliberate and a simple apology wont normalise relationship.US error blamed for airstrike A report in The Telegraph said on Sunday that the US officers gave incorrect information to their Pakistani counterparts to seek clearance regarding the Nato airstrike.
The report quoted a Pakistani military official, while talking to The Sunday Telegraph, saying that the US gave wrong information to the border coordination unit about a suspected Taliban position before the attack while seeking clearance from the Pakistani side to carry out the attack.
The strike had begun before we realised the target was a border post, he said. The Americans say we gave them clearance but they gave us the wrong information. (with additional input from wires)
Anti-terror cooperation: Pakistan to rewrite rules of engagement The Express Tribune
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You guys gotta tell me.. Is it silly or unbelievable.. or unbelievably silly
But staying on topic, another possible explanation could be that blue on blue message didnt reach the attacking force in time.. The force that withdrew in face of AA fire from the second force, just retreated to regroup and came back as a tactical move.
Dont understand...
So in your view the 1st shot was fired at the attacking helicopter only after the Pakistani command communicated the blue on blue to NATO and the helis still didnt stop the attack?? Somehow that doesnt gel with the statements I have seen about the incident..
You must forward your lines to CENTCOM man , they will love it.[/QUOTE]
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US attack on Pakistani posts ‘unpardonable': defence expert
WASHINGTON - A noted South Asia defence analyst who spent six years in Pakistan as Australia's military attache has condemned as "unpardonable" Nato's attack on border posts in Mohmand in which 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed.
"The US assault is unpardonable," wrote Cloughley in CounterPunch, a bi-weekly American newsletter. "It was one of the only too frequent Cowboy Yippee Shoots, as we used to call them in Vietnam when I served there in the Australian army. Some things don’t change," said Cloughley, who contributes regularly to Jane's weekly said.
Cloughley, who now lives in France, said he was in Mohmand three weeks ago, visiting 77 Brigade, "whose officers and soldiers were slaughtered by US aircraft, and I know exactly where Pakistan’s border posts are located. And so do American forces, because they have been informed of the precise coordinates of all them."
"Nobody can deny that the posts are well inside Pakistan," he wrote.
"Those killed in the US attack on Pakistan included Captain Usman, whose six-month-old daughter will never see him again, and Major Mujahid who was to be married shortly. Well done, you gallant warriors of the skies. May you never sleep contented."
After giving various versions of the incident, Cloughley, who believes there is no military solution to the conflict in Afghanistan, commented, "The 'sacrifices that America is making' in Afghanistan, in what is ludicrously called ‘Operation Enduring Freedom’, are entirely self-inflicted. But Pakistan’s sacrifices are inflicted by America, which is losing yet another war and again blames another country for its failure. Just like it did in the disasters in Vietnam and Somalia and Iraq.
"In the past 50 years, what nation has trusted America and come out of the deal with dignity, honour and prosperity? Pakistan is far from a perfect country. Its government is corrupt and appallingly inefficient. But it could do without Washington’s imperial insolence.
At the moment Islamabad is desperate to find some means of registering the country’s contempt and loathing for the United States, and there are very few options available to it. But it could reflect on what Washington’s retaliation would have been if Pakistani aircraft had gone on a yippee shoot and killed 24 American soldiers inside Afghanistan."
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WASHINGTON - A noted South Asia defence analyst who spent six years in Pakistan as Australia's military attache has condemned as "unpardonable" Nato's attack on border posts in Mohmand in which 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed.
"The US assault is unpardonable," wrote Cloughley in CounterPunch, a bi-weekly American newsletter. "It was one of the only too frequent Cowboy Yippee Shoots, as we used to call them in Vietnam when I served there in the Australian army. Some things don’t change," said Cloughley, who contributes regularly to Jane's weekly said.
Cloughley, who now lives in France, said he was in Mohmand three weeks ago, visiting 77 Brigade, "whose officers and soldiers were slaughtered by US aircraft, and I know exactly where Pakistan’s border posts are located. And so do American forces, because they have been informed of the precise coordinates of all them."
"Nobody can deny that the posts are well inside Pakistan," he wrote.
"Those killed in the US attack on Pakistan included Captain Usman, whose six-month-old daughter will never see him again, and Major Mujahid who was to be married shortly. Well done, you gallant warriors of the skies. May you never sleep contented."
After giving various versions of the incident, Cloughley, who believes there is no military solution to the conflict in Afghanistan, commented, "The 'sacrifices that America is making' in Afghanistan, in what is ludicrously called ‘Operation Enduring Freedom’, are entirely self-inflicted. But Pakistan’s sacrifices are inflicted by America, which is losing yet another war and again blames another country for its failure. Just like it did in the disasters in Vietnam and Somalia and Iraq.
"In the past 50 years, what nation has trusted America and come out of the deal with dignity, honour and prosperity? Pakistan is far from a perfect country. Its government is corrupt and appallingly inefficient. But it could do without Washington’s imperial insolence.
At the moment Islamabad is desperate to find some means of registering the country’s contempt and loathing for the United States, and there are very few options available to it. But it could reflect on what Washington’s retaliation would have been if Pakistani aircraft had gone on a yippee shoot and killed 24 American soldiers inside Afghanistan."
US attack on Pakistani posts unpardonable': defence expert | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
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