American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[JonAsad]

that is the only way to do it cannot satisfy every party

Surprisingly there are some sane minds which understands the importance of "dialogue"-

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

My Q is that, where were our attack helicopters/ AC at the time of nato attack on our check post. We have SAM, Helicopters/ ACs and bieng a muslim the courage to fight against the cruel forces but why we are not using all of these against these Nato/ US intruders. Firstly we should see our internal weaknesses, Are we lacking in defence equipment if yes then currently what are our needs to fight/counter the terrorism of the allied forces(Nato, US etc) and then every second keep the horses/Panthers/spiders ready to fight agianst these kafirs. Yar aik aik ker k sub Muslim countries ke asi tesi ker rahey hen yeh kafir hamen kab akal aye ge. this time we will never forgive our civillian/ military leadership if they comporomized on this issue.

 

[Mav3rick]

I think the sheer detail of the ISPR account embarrasses the US. It says its not accurate but shies from saying - which part is not accurate? Moreover how does it know its not accurate when it does not have its own story straight.

Recall in the Osama raid, the US had details pouring out like anything within minutes, and here nothing after a week?

We still have OBL raid card in our hand, nothing that we have gathered so far suggests that OBL ever lived in that compound and if our commission report is made public that OBL was indeed never in the Abbotabad compound it will be the biggest embarrassment for US ever.

 

[Mercenary]

I think the sheer detail of the ISPR account embarrasses the US. It says its not accurate but shies from saying - which part is not accurate? Moreover how does it know its not accurate when it does not have its own story straight.

Recall in the Osama raid, the US had details pouring out like anything within minutes, and here nothing after a week?

Thats because the Osama raid was planned in great detail.

This was a hot pursuit into Pakistan gone wrong.

US and NATO will need to come with a detailed report stating what went wrong.

They will interview the ground commanders, the soliders who took part in the raid, re-interview them for any discrepancies, check facts on the ground.

Its a long and tedious process.

 

[Mav3rick]

Thats because the Osama raid was planned in great detail.

This was a hot pursuit into Pakistan gone wrong.

US and NATO will need to come with a detailed report stating what went wrong.

They will interview the ground commanders, the soliders who took part in the raid, re-interview them for any discrepancies, check facts on the ground.

Its a long and tedious process.

Took us less then a day to do all that!

 

[Developereo]

mm. coming back to the topic of pakistan closing it's airspace, their seems to be bigger problem in pakistani establishment. Every major foreign affairs/geo-political decision in pakistan for last 3-4 years seems to be "reactionary". Foresight in geo-strategic domain is completely missing, and most of the major issues like afganistan, Taliban, drones, american spies, baluchistan, etc. seems to be coming from knee jerk reactions. Did pakistani establishment not realize that hot pursuit strikes may cause military casualties. This is not the first strike, there have been 7 others before this one. It seems that the civilian leadership is so heavily entangled in domestic politics that, issue for foreign policy has been neglected by the real players who are busy trying to play vote-bank tricks.

Unless pakistan finds, a strong leadership which can dictate its terms domestically, it will be hard for them put any pressure on US. Maybe someone who has the charismatic qualities of Z A bhutto, is the need of the hour?

To understand the red queen's race nature of Pakistani politics, you just need to understand one fact: all the major players have their permanent interests abroad. For them, Pakistan is just a temporary stop to fill their foreign bank accounts and they have no interest, let alone ability, to plan any long term strategy.

 

[opps]

 

[Omar1984]

Took us less then a day to do all that!

Its a long and tedious process for them to make up a lie like the weapons of mass destruction lie for Iraq.

 

[JonAsad]

AA weapons were also fired ?

More variations from the original theory.

Dont act like Cheng's associate-
Whose original story?- O what source?-

 

[JonAsad]

Thats because the Osama raid was planned in great detail.

This was a hot pursuit into Pakistan gone wrong.

US and NATO will need to come with a detailed report stating what went wrong.

They will interview the ground commanders, the soliders who took part in the raid, re-interview them for any discrepancies, check facts on the ground.

Its a long and tedious process.

Truth is always there to be seen- Lies needs time- fabrication- planning- saving all lose ends-
Till 23 Dec the "Lie" will be ready-

 

[Devil Soul]

Obama not to issue formal apology to Pakistan: NYT
Published: December 1, 2011
The White House said US President Barack Obama will not issue a formal apology or condolences on the death of 24 Pakistani soldiers in a Nato attack on the Pak-Afghan border, said a report by The New York Times.
However, the State Department officials feel that there is a need for such an apology to mend the straining relationship between the two countries, according to the report.
The report stated that US Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter, through a video conference, told White House officials that the anti-American sentiment has reached its peak in Pakistan stressing the need for a formal apology by the US. But the White House argued that condolences offered by senior US officials and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were enough till the US completes its investigations into the matter, the report said.

“The US government has offered its deepest condolences for the loss of life, from the White House and from Secretary Clinton and Secretary Panetta,” said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council, referring to Defense Secretary Leon E Panetta, “and we are conducting an investigation into the incident. We cannot offer additional comment on the circumstances of the incident until we have the results.”

Pakistan has strongly responded to the attack on the Pakistani checkposts by cutting off Nato supplies to Afghanistan through Pakistan and refusing to attend the Bonn conference in Germany. The Pakistani government has also demanded for the Shamsi airbase – being used for the drone strikes – to be shut down.
The Pakistan Army said that the attack was unprovoked and was a ‘deliberate act of action’, while in a recent statement, top US military officer General Martin Dempsey denied the allegations.
Nato helicopters and fighter jets attacked two military border posts in northwest Pakistan on Saturday in the worst incident of its kind since Islamabad allied itself with Washington in 2001 in the war on militancy.
Obama not to issue formal apology to Pakistan: NYT – The Express Tribune

 

[opps]

Pakistan should hold its own conference in Islamabad with Iran, Russia, China, and Afghan Taliban.

We all know Afghan Taliban are the main people who will decide Afghanistan's future thats why U.S. is desperate to get them come to the table

Beggars can't be choosers.Dont worry Pakistan will climb down soon like in Raymond davis case when blood money will be paid to generals' pocket and some of the soldiers' families will get green cards.all will be honky dory as before as if nothing happened.

 

[Devil Soul]

Border closure halts return of Canadian military gear: report
Submitted 1 hr 38 mins ago
Hundreds of sea containers stuffed with military gear that were supposed to be returning to Canada are instead languishing at an undisclosed location in Afghanistan because of Pakistan's decision to close its border to NATO, a military spokesman said Wednesday.
Lt.-Cmdr. John Nethercott said the border closure isn't expected to affect the military's imminent withdrawal from Kandahar, though he acknowledged there could be complications if Pakistan doesn't reopen its borders soon.
"We're assessing the situation," he said. "At this point, there's no impact on our withdrawal of personnel and no immediate impact on our efforts to repatriate equipment back to Canada by land and sea."
About 1,200 troops are in Kandahar packing up for the imminent end of Canada's military presence after six years in the southern Afghan province. They have until the end of the year to wrap up their work.
High-priority and sensitive equipment is being shipped out by air, while the rest was to be sent by convoy across the Afghan-Pakistan border and down the 1,600-kilometre route to the Indian Ocean for transport by sea.
Nethercott said there are containers already gathered at a port in Pakistan, where they were waiting to be loaded onto a ship once the remainder arrived.
The containers being held in transit in Afghanistan are not at the Kandahar Airfield, he added, though he would not say where they are. It's likely they are close to the Afghan-Pakistan border.
Pakistan's border closure has delayed their departure from Afghanistan, though Nethercott downplayed the impact on the Canadian military's withdrawal from Kandahar.
"The repatriation of all the Canadian Forces equipment from Afghanistan to Canada continues to go very well," he said. "We're nearing completion, and for all intents and purposes it's on track."
Pakistan closed the border over the weekend after 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed in NATO airstrikes. It was the latest in a string of events that have strained relations between Pakistan and NATO countries, particularly the U.S.
The country is a key transit point for the convoys that sustain NATO's mission in Afghanistan, and there are widespread concerns the border closure could negatively affect the mission.(The Gazette)
Border closure halts return of Canadian military gear: report | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

 

[Devil Soul]

UAE demands apology from NATO over killing of Pakistani troops
By Shafek E Koreshe

ABU DHABI, Nov 30 (APP): United Arab Emirates on Wednesday demanded of NATO to apologize to Pakistan for the deaths of its 24 soldiers in an airstrike at its post along the Pak-Afghan border, but denied it sought an extension from Pakistan to extend the deadline to vacate Shamsi Air Base. The Foreign Minister of UAE Sheikh Abdullah Bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, who recently returned from an unscheduled visit to Pakistan to meet its leadership, dispelled reports of any discussion regarding the vacation of an air base near Quetta.
The base is allegedly being used by the American CIA for a clandestine drone program inside Pakistan and there have been reports that the Shamsi base was under the use of the government of UAE. Neither the UAE government has ever confirmed or denied about ownership of the base.
“The UAE did not talk about the Shamsi air base, nor the Pakistan side talked about it,” the UAE Foreign Minister told reporters from 43 countries through an interpreter.
He said if NATO was using any of the facilities in Pakistan it was for both the sides to discuss it.
The UAE Foreign Minister said his country was following up closely on the happenings in Pakistan as it has deep historic ties.
He described his meetings with President Asif Ali Zardari and General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani as “very important” and regretted the loss of 24 innocent lives and injury to 14 soldiers in the attack.
He said, “This is a mistake that we cannot accept. Anyone who loves Pakistan cannot justify it.” He also asked for an investigation into the incident and asked that assurances must be given that there was no such repetition.
Pakistan’s highest decision making body - the Defence Committee of the Cabinet, in its meeting had asked the NATO to vacate the Shamsi Air Base within five days, and also placed a halt on military supplies passing through Pakistan, for the NATO forces based in Afghanistan.
The foreign Minister of UAE said the two countries have a strong relationship and his discussions covered all areas of their multifaceted relationship.
The UAE is the largest investor in Pakistan among the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) with the investments of public and private sectors leveling at $3.74 billion from year 2004 to 2010. It has also generously helped Pakistan rebuild much of the infrastructure damaged by floods and natural calamities in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Bajaur and South Waziristan districts, with a cost of US 100 million dollars. The project aims to focus education, public health, roads, bridges and supply of water treatment plants and networks.
The UAE foreign minister also spoke at length about relations of his country with its neighbours and its stance on international issues. He said his country was willing to resolve the dispute over some islands with Iran.
He also called for world’s attention over the situation in Yemen and Somalia and the violation of laws of the sea by the pirates.
To a question, he said his country was ready to provide any help needed to vacate the British citizens stranded in Iran, following the attack on the British embassy.
Regarding the option to use nuclear energy, he said, the demand for power generation was growing at a rate of nine percent and it was not possible to meet this need through the oil and gas sectors.
He said the UAE was utilizing all means to generate additional energy including alternative energy and use of nano-technology to help meet its rapidly rising demand.
“We want to show to the world that a transparent program for generation of nuclear power was possible and we will set a golden benchmark,” he said.
He said UAE’s program will be fully under the IAEA guidelines and it would not only become a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, but would also sign the additional protocol. He said there would be no enrichment of Uranium on its soil and stringent laws would be there to ensure safety of the program.
Regarding the developments in Syria, the UAE foreign minister termed the situation critical and expressed the hope that Syria would accept the Arab protocol and the severe measures proposed would not be taken.
Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - UAE demands apology from NATO over killing of Pakistani troops

 

[MilSpec]

To understand the red queen's race nature of Pakistani politics, you just need to understand one fact: all the major players have their permanent interests abroad. For them, Pakistan is just a temporary stop to fill their foreign bank accounts and they have no interest, let alone ability, to plan any long term strategy.

let me propose pure fiction.

say tomorrow US declares war on pakistan. Indian establishment supports pakistan and signs a 100 year defence treaty with Pak,any attack on pakistan will be considered an attack on India and forms a joint military body. Would pakistanis denounce its moral support to terror outfits in India????