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American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

If these laser guided missiles hit with pinpoint accruacy then you must support the Drone attacks which are taking out those terroists in FATA?

Pakistani terrority is used by these terrorists to launch attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

As for those posts. They were recently established after Pakistan conducted a military operation in the region and took the region
back from Taliban terrorists.

USA didn't use drones in this operation. Afghan commandos called in air strikes saying they were being bombed from locations within Pakistan. US send in Apache Gunships which fired missiles which killed our soldiers

So all of this needs to be determined in a through, joint and impartial investigation.

Your post is presumptuous and contradictory to the core. On one hand you keep asking to wait for the findings to come out, while on the other you keep towing the Afghan/NATO's line like it is the word of God.

I never said that drones only kill militants, US does, and that too with divine conviction. You are clearly outa your depth here when you make statments like the 'posts were recently established' and the 'communication channels between the PA and ISAF are not effective,' how could you possibly be privy to such details - please do tell.

There is a hotline between the PA and the ISAF to prevent the kind of shitstorm that we are in today. Any new development is promptly shared to keep the war efforts streamlined - be it new or old. FYI, these were the company headquarters made out of concrete; structures like these don't come up in a day.
 
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I second this move, why would we attend a conference for a country who's territory is being used against us.. Above all we already gave our view pertaining agenda of the talks in turkey last time so no point going for photo session.
 
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OIC condemns NATO attacks on Pakistani boarder posts

JEDDAH, Nov 29 (KUNA) -- Secretary General of The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Akmal Al-Deen Ogli strongly condemned Monday the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) attacks launched recently on two border posts in Pakistan, which resulted in a number of casualties.
Ogli said in remarks to the media that such attacks are considered as a serious violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan, stressing on the continuous OIC support of Pakistan, expressing his hope that such incidents will not occur again.
He called on the NATO to avoid any actions that would contribute in worsening the deteriorated situation in the region.(end) yms.lb KUNA 291016 Nov 11NNNN

كونا : OIC condemns NATO attacks on Pakistani boarder posts - الشؤون السياسية - 29/11/2011



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OIC urges NATO to avoid attacks on Pakistan

ISLAMABAD, Nov. 28 (Xinhua) -- The major organization of Islamic countries on Monday strongly condemned the recent NATO attacks against two Pakistani border posts which reportedly killed 24 Pakistani military personnel and left many others injured, according to its statement.

In a statement released by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) on its website, the OIC Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu said that the attacks are indeed serious violation of Pakistan's sovereignty and are totally unacceptable.

He assured Pakistan of the continued solidarity of the OIC and expressed his expectation for the prevention of any recurrence of such incidents.

The Secretary General also urged NATO to avoid any action that could further complicate the already dire security situation in the region.

NATO fighter jets and helicopters struck two Pakistani border posts in Pakistan's northwest tribal area of Mohmand Agency which borders Afghanistan early Saturday morning, killing 24 Pakistani troops and injuring 13 others.

The attack sparked angry reaction in Pakistan and the government closed NATO supply line and asked the United States to vacate a strategic air base in the country's southwest Balochistan province.

NATO and the United States had expressed regret over the losses of lives in the attacks, but the Pakistani army Monday rejected their regrets and said the leadership would suggest more steps in relationship with NATO.

OIC urges NATO to avoid attacks on Pakistan - People's Daily Online

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OIC urges NATO to avoid attacks on Pakistan

The major organizations of Islamic countries Monday strongly condemned the recent NATO attacks against two Pakistani border posts which reportedly killed 24 Pakistani military personnel and left many others injured.

"While conveying his heartfelt condolences to the bereaved families and the government of Pakistan," the Secretary General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), Professor Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu said.

NATO fighter jets and helicopters struck two Pakistani border posts in Mohmand tribal region Friday night and killed 24 soldiers. Pakistan army says that 13 more soldiers were injured in the unprovoked attack.

The attack sparked angry reaction in Pakistan and the government closed NATO supply line and asked the U.S. to vacate a strategic air base in Balochistan province.

NATO and the U.S. had expressed regret over the losses in the attacks but the Pakistan army Monday rejected their regrets and said the leadership would suggest more steps in relationship with NATO.

The OIC Secretary General noted that the attacks are indeed serious violation of Pakistan's sovereignty and are totally unacceptable, an OIC statement said on its website.

He assured Pakistan of the continued solidarity of the OIC and expressed his expectation for the prevention of any recurrence of such incidents.

The Secretary General then urged NATO to avoid any action that could further complicate the already dire security situation in the region, the statement said.


OIC urges NATO to avoid attacks on Pakistan | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
 
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I just read that on another forum that Americans has started to pack there stuff to leave air base. Any one can confirm ?
 
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Chinese newspapers back Pakistan over Nato air strike | World news | guardian.co.uk

Chinese newspapers back Pakistan over Nato air strike - video

China Daily and the popular tabloid the Global Times expressed strong doubts that the air strike was unintentional. Nato called the killings a "tragic, unintended incident", and US officials said Nato and American investigations will determine what happened in the attack in north-west Pakistan
 
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Nato forces repeated attack on Pak army officials: DG MO


ISLAMABAD: Director General Military Operations Maj. Gen. Ashfaq Nadeem Tuesday said that Nato forces had once again opened fire on Pak army officers who, fortunately, escaped unhurt, Geo News reported.

Briefing journalists here at General Headquarters (GHQ) on Nato attack, the DG Military Operations said that Pak army officers came under armed attack by Nato forces while they were inspecting the Pakistani check posts struck earlier in Mohmad Agency.

He said that investigations conducted into the Nato strike that killed 24 army officials and personnel so far confirmed that the attack was unprovoked and intentional.

"Nato officials were aware of the fact that Pakistani check posts were present in the area," he added.


Nato forces repeated attack on Pak army officials: DG MO
 
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If the attack is portrayed as 'not unintentional', it would bring further infamy to the Pakistani Army.

The sensible thing would be to just call it 'unintentional' and move on.
 
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An unprovoked Nato helicopter raid killed 24 Pakistani troops in the wee hours on Saturday, while they were asleep in a checkpost in Mohmand Agency. The reaction of the Pakistani people continues to be strong, with protests which started the morning after continuing across the country on Sunday. These protests have coincided with international protests, thus showing that the incident has shown not just Pakistan, but the rest of the world, the cost of being a friend of the USA. The international condemnation is also proof, if any was needed, that the incident is a serious violation, with the OIC and China joining the chorus of condemnation, and supporting Pakistan.

The USA and Nato have tried to put a positive spin on the incident, not because the Nato choppers were right, but because Pakistan ended its military cooperation, and that cooperation is necessary to the continued occupation of Afghanistan by its troops. Among those calling Pakistan in an attempt to have those steps reversed were US Secretaries of Defence Leon Panetta and of State Hillary Clinton, US Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Chairman Gen Martin Dempsey, ISAF Commander Gen John Allen and Nato Secretary General Fogh Rasmussen. Now it is Pakistan’s turn to turn down these blandishments, and refuse to continue an alliance with such a high cost in its soldiers’ blood. The excuse that the incident took place because the helicopters were chasing insurgents should be exposed as the lie it is. The excuse merely feeds into groundless fears of the Haqqani Network, and ignores the fact that the place of occurrence was in a pacified area, where let alone the Haqqani Network, no resistance fighters were operating. It is almost obvious that, the Nato military machine facing defeat in Afghanistan at the hands of an ill-equipped and badly armed opposition, is groping for excuses to explain away its mistakes, which are encouraged by its arrogance.

Pakistan has a record of giving way to Nato blandishments. The last time it shut down supplies, last year, it re-opened them after accepting Nato apologies. It should not make the same mistake again, but should stand firm. In fact, it should go a step further, and end the alliance with the USA, end all participation in the USA’s War on Terror, and make it clear to all comers, especially the USA and other Nato members that Pakistan will brook no further interference or foreign presence in the region, especially a presence which is so deadly to indigenous forces. The government should not ignore the fact that the outrage against the killing of its soldiers is so strong that any attempt to carry on with business as usual, will turn public attention (and anger) from Nato, where it is at the moment, to the government. Beset by crises as it is, that it cannot afford.


Nato’s blandishments | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online
 
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Whats the point they still have jacobabad airbase.




(Reuters) - The United States is preparing to accede to Pakistani demands that it vacate a remote air base in Pakistan used for drone flights, but the move is not expected to have a significant impact on operations against militants, U.S. government sources say.

Washington is treading lightly not to aggravate an already fragile relationship that was bruised further by a NATO attack on a Pakistani military outpost last weekend that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers near the Afghanistan border.

Pakistan demanded that the United States leave the Shamsi Air Base within 15 days and blocked ground supply routes through Pakistan to U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

Three sources, who declined to be identified because of the issue's sensitivity, said U.S. planning is under way to leave the base, a remote facility in Baluchistan that has been a point of contention.

The cross-border incident escalated tensions between the two countries and the U.S. military is conducting an investigation to find out exactly what happened on the ground.

The moves by the Pakistanis to block ground supply routes and the air base were not expected to significantly hinder U.S. operations.

One U.S. government source said the United States has spent months preparing for a possible eviction from the Pakistan base by building up other drone launching and staging capability.

Earlier this year, after the U.S. raid that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, some Pakistani officials demanded that Washington vacate the Shamsi facility.

At the time, however, U.S. officials said that American personnel would remain at the base and would continue to conduct drone flights in pursuit of militants.

But in one concession, the United States stopped conducting lethal drone operations from that base and limited operations to surveillance flights.

U.S. officials believe that this time Pakistan appears much more resolute about carrying out the eviction threat. Vacating the air base was seen more as an inconvenience rather than a critical blow to drone operations which the United States also conducts from Afghanistan and possibly elsewhere.

The unmanned aerial vehicles may have a longer flight from Afghanistan but they are capable of hovering overhead for hours as they seek to spot suspicious activity and follow militants.

U.S. officials are reluctant to openly talk about drone operations because they are considered a covert CIA activity.

General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the U.S. military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, in London this week addressed the Shamsi issue without acknowledging the use of drones at the base.

"There are other options for stationing aircraft and other resources around the region," Dempsey told Britain's ITV News.

"It's a serious blow in the sense that the Pakistani government felt that they needed to deny us the use of a base that we've been using for many years," he said. "And so it's serious in that regard. It's not debilitating militarily."

BLOCKED SUPPLY ROUTE

The United States also has to deal with the blocking of the ground supply route through Pakistan to Afghanistan.

Congressman C.A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger, the senior Democrat on the House of Representatives intelligence committee, said that route accounts for less than half the supplies for international forces in Afghanistan and the military has contingency plans.

"We have a large distribution network to make sure that coalition forces are well-stocked," he told Reuters. "It's not going to affect our ability to follow through and execute our mission."

Yet alternate supply routes such as the northern distribution network are not a perfect substitute and there are concerns that the cost of keeping soldiers fed, armed and fueled without use of Pakistani roads would be excessive.

Ruppersberger, who visited Pakistan to meet with officials after U.S. forces killed bin Laden, said the relationship was poor at that point.

"We were starting to improve in the last month or so and then all of a sudden this unfortunate incident occurred, and now we're right back to where we were again," he said.

"It is to the advantage of both countries to work together," Ruppersberger said. "In the end that will come. It's about relationships, it's about trust, and unfortunately that hasn't been there for a while."

Ruppersberger would not comment on the Shamsi departure.

STILL INVESTIGATING

U.S. officials said there is still considerable confusion about details of the latest border incident.

Wary of further damaging an already delicate situation, U.S. officials were reluctant to speculate about what happened before getting the results of military investigations.

"The focus of the administration at this point is on trying to find ways to show Pakistan that we're serious about investigating the incident and forging a cooperative relationship in the future," a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity.

"No one at this point has the complete narrative on what happened," Pentagon spokesman George Little said. "I think it's premature to articulate the facts of this incident."

A U.S. government source familiar with counter-terrorism operations along the Afghan-Pakistan border said the latest incident apparently grew out of an Afghan-U.S. special forces commando patrol operation.

Some early information from the region suggests that at some point the Afghan-U.S. patrol team came under fire from what they believed were militants. They then called in an airstrike, which hit a Pakistani military outpost.

Investigations into the incident now are trying to determine if the militants deliberately took up positions near the Pakistani outpost to confuse American and Afghan forces or whether Pakistani forces at the border outpost were somehow complicit in initially firing on the Afghan-U.S. patrol.

A U.S. military official, without commenting on details of the current incident, said the Taliban had previously tried to provoke cross-border fighting between Pakistani soldiers and NATO forces but problems were headed off by cross-border communication.

"It is something we've seen previously, yes. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happened," the official said, without confirming anything about the recent incident.

Another key question is what happened to cross-border communication systems set up to avoid this kind of confusion.

The border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is badly marked, and disputed in many stretches. The terrain of steep mountains, dense forest and sparse population provides hideouts for militants who can move freely along the frontier.

The Pakistani and Afghan militaries and NATO-led alliance have tried to limit deadly mistakes by establishing communication links including a hotline to check on potential targets or warn of possible friendly fire.

The Pakistani military says it has given maps with permanent outposts clearly marked to NATO and the Afghan army. It also said there is a hotline between the two sides, but declined to say if it was used the evening of the attack.

A spokesman for the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force said he was not aware of a hotline.

U.S. prepares to vacate Pakistan air base | Reuters
 
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Russia's on its own side. It has seen an opportunity to squeeze some leverage outa the US while it is apparently being pushed against the wall by Pakistan. Russia's acting like the dude who tries to crash a party where nobody likes him and gets booted/knocked out.
 
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BBC taken off air in Pakistan by cable operators
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Popular British news channel, BBC World News was taken off air by a number of Pakistani cable television operators late on Tuesday after proclaiming to ‘ban’ the channel for airing anti-Pakistan programming following a NATO air strike on a Pakistani border check post that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

The All Pakistan Cable Operators Association (APCOA), a body of cable tv operators, held a press briefing in Lahore where they demanded the country’s primary electronic media regulator, the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) to revoke landing rights to BBC.

APCOA chairman, Kamran Arain said “we want to send them a strong message to stop this. If they don’t stop this, then it is our right to stop them,” referring to pulling the channel off from their cable networks.

The operators say that the move is in response to a documentary broadcast by the channel, entitled Secret Pakistan.

Other foreign TV channels found guilty of broadcasting “anti-Pakistan” content will also be blocked, they threatened.:tup:

The BBC said it was deeply concerned by the move, and called for its channel to be speedily reinstated.

“We condemn any action that threatens our editorial independence and prevents audiences from accessing our impartial international news service,” a BBC spokesperson said.

“We would urge that BBC World News and other international news services are reinstated as soon as possible.”

However, the channel was off air soon after the APCOA press conference was over.

The source of the ban

A two-part BBC documentary, “Secret Pakistan“, questioned the country’s commitment to tackling Taliban militancy. It furthered festering Pakistani anger towards the west after a NATO air stirke on a Pakistani border check post killed 24 soldiers.

It argued that some in Pakistan were playing a double game, quoting US intelligence officials as saying that they acted as America’s ally in public while secretly training and arming the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The decision to block BBC World News and other international news channels comes after a media uproar in Pakistan over a Nato air strike that killed 24 Pakistani troops near the Afghan border at the weekend.

Good, Pakistan started to act in the beginning......
 
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^^ That documentary was aired over a month before this attack. It's been long time.

Well actually, after the NATO helicopters attacked on Pakistan Checkposts, then BBC started to show anti-Pakistan propagandas, not only BBC. CNN and Fox also banned.

APCOA chairman, Kamran Arain said “we want to send them a strong message to stop this. If they don’t stop this, then it is our right to stop them,”

Hope you should be very happy at least.

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NATO attack: Pakistan to boycott Bonn Conference on Afghanistan


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LAHORE: Pakistan will boycott the Bonn Conference, scheduled for December 5 on Afghanistan’s future, to protest the cross-border NATO attack, an official said on Tuesday. The decision was taken at a cabinet meeting, chaired by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, in Lahore.

During the meeting held at the Governor House, Gilani suspended the agenda to discuss the November 26 incident which killed at least 24 Pakistani soldiers.

Gilani has summoned a Joint Session of the Parliament on the NATO attack and the Memogate scandal on December 2 on the recommendations of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security.


According to an official, the cabinet extended deepest condolences to the families of those who were killed in the cross-border attack.

Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar briefed the cabinet about the incident and the diplomatic efforts being made to highlight the violation of Pakistan’s territorial sovereignty.

The cabinet agreed that unaliteral action like the Abbottabad incident and the cross-border attack were unacceptable.
 
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