American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[Jango]

Just saw on the news, 50 peshawar born pakistani students have denied to go to the US on scholarships for studies, in protest of this act.

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they show that Pakistan largely bit it's pride and ignored public anger --and despite of it -- they wanted to remain 'on mission'

well guess what, the mission hasn't changed.....but you can be sure as hell that cooperation with them has, or will be signifantly effected for quite some time at the very least.

this incident is too much; and you know that when fuel suppliers (who gain from NATO cooperation) and when even cable operators (who gain from televising 'western' channels) also threaten to boycott those member-states ---that public anger by and large can no longer be set aside. It can have a demoralizing impact on the people and on our men who are on the frontline.

The response by the Army this time has also been much more changed, as well as the political leadership, like a letter to Karzai asking him to , in a way, shut up, because his land was used for this act and all that.

 

[President Camacho]

Spot on!

Add pics of a baby girl too for good measure, and it is evident that a psyops is in progress (from both sides).

All sides... the consumers of such psyops also act as instruments, circulating the pictures, that mostly shall be private, into public domain.

I remember what happened in India during Kargil war, oh man I could puke at that. The reason was to garner public support for the war, and in turn, for the ruling party. But the worst example was of Kuwaiti Ambassador's (to US) daughter claiming she was a nurse in a hospital and firsthand witnessed Iraqi soldiers taking babies out of incubators and throwing them on the ground (what purpose would such an act fulfill - only god knows). Even Bush took notice of that and called it one of the reasons to save Kuwait. It is another story that Bush spoke on that not as an affected individual of such psyop, rather as an instrument, very deliberately, to rile up the public emotion to help support him in the war.

I don't want to comment on the private affairs of a martyred soldiers here, but the effects of the babygirl's photos can be seen in this thread itself. Some have actually claimed to have cried seeing that (I hope those who read this, understand that I am not critical of such emotions - rather I feel such emotions make us more human).

With barrage of such emotions flooding through, people wouldn't care about right or wrong. They just want the head of the supposed perpetrator.

Sad to see, many in here are blinded to the reality. But well, it does hurt - a lot, to pull down the cloak of emotions and see the ugly face of reality.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

on this day we learned that NATO are also a threat to our soldiers along the afghan border an not only the taliban, so now we should use weapons there that are also a threat to NATO like portable sams

 

[President Camacho]

Some people dies fighting as well. What about them then?

What about them?

I didn't quite get what you mean here.

 

[unicorn]

The investigation should be conducted by the third party. It is being conducted by those people who have actually commit this crime.There are no Pakistani officials who are involved in this investigation.

So the credibility of whatever comes out from this co called investigation will be zero.There is no point in reserving our comments because one side which is Pakistani side has already presented the details of what had happened.

 

[Jango]

What about them?

I didn't quite get what you mean here.

You said that the word 'died while sleeping is used to garner emotions'.

But some soldiers embraced martyrdom while standing, and fighting against the NATO forces. So , what about them?

They don't in that bracket which is being used to garner support through emotions.

 

[Imran Khan]

To Pakistani friends: Pakistan is simply paying the price for being hostile to India....Please dont interpret that Pakistan should be under India......

hhahaha indians apni ram kahani le ker a jety hai her jaga .

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Dear Readers, What happen in Salala is very tragic and we are saddened by the death of 25 brave Pakistani soldiers and officials. Our thoughts and prayers go out to their families. We are looking at it very seriously, and that is the reason a high ranking official has been appointed to investigate this incident. A full investigation is underway, and we all should reserve comment on the details of what happened until all investigations are completed.

In an official briefing yesterday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said, “The President's reaction is all of our reaction, which is that the events that took those lives -- the event, rather, was a tragedy. The loss of Pakistani life was a tragedy. We mourn the brave Pakistani service members who lost their lives. And our sympathies go out to their families and go out to Pakistan” He further said, “We take this matter very seriously. I believe my colleague over at the Pentagon, George Little, announced earlier today that in addition to ISAF looking into this, at the request of General Allen, CENTCOM will be investigating this matter. And we’re obviously very keen on finding out exactly what happened.” He also said, “As for our relationship with Pakistan, it continues to be an important, cooperative relationship that is also very complicated. And we have been -- senior U.S. officials have been in contact with the Pakistani government, with their counterparts in Pakistan, including Secretaries Panetta and Clinton, Chairman Dempsey, General Allen, Ambassador Munter. And those contacts will continue. It is very much in our national security interest to maintain a cooperative relationship with Pakistan, because we have shared interests in the fight against terrorism. And so we will continue to work on that relationship.”


Maj David Nevers
DET- United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

go to hell you murderers lairs cheaters

 

[Mercenary]

US gains absolutely nothing by bombing Pakistani Soldiers.

Such things happen during the Fog of War, when borders are not properly marked.

During World War II, US Navy shot down its own planes in Italy in 1943 killing 700 Soldiers.

So get a grip.

Why don't you guys use the same condemnation when the Taliban Terrorists kill our soldiers instead of using selective outrage when America accidentally killed ours?

 

[unicorn]

Australia Foreign Minister Anti Pakistani Comments about this incident

Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd was unusually explicit on Pakistan’s dangerous double—game over the weekend.

“The view that I have is that it's quite clear that there is a line of supply of improvised explosive devices going into Taliban-controlled parts of Afghanistan from Taliban-controlled parts of western Pakistan,” said Mr Rudd. “That is my belief.”

He added: “If Pakistan is assisting this indirectly, or by whatever means … we have a real problem on our hands.”

Pakistan rage over deadly ISAF airstrike | News.com.au

 

[Mercenary]

we will know after 2 weeks december 11 how much will they appologize and how much they will regret when they r out of water and toilet paper

Not really. Nato forces have enough material stockpiled to keep functioning for 7 months even if all supply routes are closed.

Furthermore, they can airlift supplies into Afghanistan similar to the Berlin airlift and they are also using Central Asia to move 51% of their supplies into Afghanistan.

 

[Mercenary]

If Pakistan closes its airspace to NATO, NATO will close its airspace to Pakistani Airlines, PIA and such.

Which will be a devastating economic loss to Pakistan.

Pakistan is not Iran.

Iran has oil revenue to counter such threats and besides Iran doesn't have a major world power as its sworn enemy sitting right across the border like we do with India.

India is the only country that gains from this riff between Pakistan and NATO.

 

[Mercenary]

LOL.

Russia doesn't give a crap about Pakistan. Russia is heavily invested in India.

This is nothing more than Russia exploiting an opportunity from NATO.

Pakistan would be wise to look after its own interests.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

the missile shield has long been an issue of contention and they will leverage that

 

[President Camacho]

You said that the word 'died while sleeping is used to garner emotions'.

But some soldiers embraced martyrdom while standing, and fighting against the NATO forces. So , what about them?

They don't in that bracket which is being used to garner support through emotions.

Did you see the circulating pictures of newly born babygirl here? I am sure you did. Did you see the pictures of the officers that died there? I am sure you did. Did you see the pictures of all of the soldiers who died that day? I am 100% sure you did not. Did you see the pictures of the loved ones of all of those who died that day? I am 100% sure you did not.

See, I was pointing out to the importance of their having a chance to fight. In the end, a dead soldier is a dead soldier, whether he/she dies sleeping, praying, standing, fighting, or while attending nature's call. But the general public - I mean the majority - will see it in different ways.

After noticing the particular way in which the soldier dies, the people will form their emotion. The strength of such emotion will decide whether people take the pain to leave their homes and come out in the streets demanding action from the concerned authorities.

If you still do not understand how people behave under emotions, some times against their better judgment, then you should check out that video that was posted here a month back. This man's son is at the front... (now continuing the account in the father's words)...

"I got a call from my friend, saying my son had embraced shahadat.

So I asked my friend, where did he receive the bullets, on the chest or in the back?

My friend asks me, 'why, what does it matter?'

I tell him that if my son received bullets in the back, then he will find no place in the cemetery here.

He can be buried elsewhere, and I won't attend the funeral.

My friend told me, no sir, your son received bullets on his chest.

That was a great moment of satisfaction for me, and I said, yes, now he has a place in the cemetery here."

Tell me NuclearPak, what does it matter where the guy received bullets? It is just emotions, and not rational thinking, that is at work there.

Reality is this - all the dead soldiers, that died while serving the country, irrespective of the causes of death (including suicide related to depression), shall be treated the same. But while in earlier times, glorified actions of dying in the war at the hands of enemy was used to garner support for troops, in today's times such evoking of emotions is used to carry out separate agendas for they would like to call "the greater good".

Now you see the main reason behind ISPR's stress on the soldiers being asleep at the time of the attack?

I hope you understand what I mean here, because I am not very good with communication, and my grammar has taken a nosedive since I joined Def.pk

 

[Jango]

Not really. Nato forces have enough material stockpiled to keep functioning for 7 months even if all supply routes are closed.

Furthermore, they can airlift supplies into Afghanistan similar to the Berlin airlift and they are also using Central Asia to move 51% of their supplies into Afghanistan.

The thing is , that NATO or ISAF might not be much affected by this, but this is the thing which shows that you will not let your land be used for this. This is a statement of intent that we are not your slaves. Now if it affects the ISAF or not, different story.

The people who are calling for an end to supply routes are not thinking, that it is for bringing ISAF down to it's knees, it is for a intent.