American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[La ResistanceZ]

RAWALPINDI: International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) carried out the cross-border attack on purpose and there are no expectations of any results coming from the inquiry.
The statements were made at a media briefing by Chief of General Staff Lieutenant General Waheed Arshad and Director General (DG) Military Operations General Ashfaq on Tuesday.
They said that currently the rethinking of military relations with the United States was underway and the final decision would be taken by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani.
They said the inquiries into the June 2008, September 2010 and July 2011 incidents had no results either.
There are four Pakistan and Isaf Afghanistan joint coordination centres, and the attack took place despite procedures being in place, they said.
They said there had been no violation by Pakistan on the Mohmand Agency border. Nato and Isaf were aware of the border check posts in the area and had fired on them from 12:05am to 2:15am.
The Pakistani officer at the Tactical Operation Centre in Afghanistan had been misinformed, they said, adding that an American sergeant had told him that a Pakistan check post had fired on Special Forces in the border area and had changed his statement after seven minutes saying the fire had come from a different check post.
They said Volcano was the first check post that was attacked and communication had been cut off right after. Soldiers at the Boulder check post fired 26 air bursts but did not go after the helicopters as the situation could have gotten bad.
Company Commander, Major Mujahid was killed when he was going to Boulder check post, they said.

NATO, ISAF carried out attack on purpose: Pakistan Army – The Express Tribune

 

[VCheng]

what ''good'' have these conferences brought us for God's sakes.....all talk only.

what cake can Pakistan claim here when we're having an increasingly hostile soil (Afghanistan) in which anti-Pakistan activity flourishes unabated; where drugs weapons and smuggled goods are making their way across; when little has been done by any of the attendees of this ''bonn-fire'' to pocket some of the expense and responsibilty for 4 million Afghan refugees; where a vicious and intentional smear campaign in the media flourishes --spreading lies, half truths, misinformation that isn't even corroborated or double-checked from our side....

as per DGMO Maj. Gen. Nadeem sahib ''No information regarding inquiry of [the previous 2008 or 2010 attacks] was shared or provided to us despite our repeated requests and when provided, it was inaccurate and incomplete” (Standard procedures violated in unprovoked Nato strike: DGMO | Pakistan | DAWN.COM)

14 troops martyred, 13 injured in those previous attacks --- and yet no closure from that!


this is absolutely unacceptable and I think patience of not just military but also the people has worn out completely....


for that reason, all cooperation should be indefinitely suspended

These past incidents,as well as the present one, only prove that NATO's calculation about lack of spine on part of the Pakistani leadership is correct. They are therefore not to blame, but the Pindi/IBD crowd.

 

[praful]

That incident was a open declaration of WAR... how could they keep on firing for more than 2 hrs ?

This also put question mark on the operational capabilities of Pakistani forces especially PAF . why they didn't send reinforcement ?

 

[The Vicious Kind]

One question that comes to my mind ,is that on the significance of the Bonn conference.Without all the regional players like China ,Russia ,Iran and pakistan,would be immaterial.It will only be a declaration and nothing more!

 

[Mughal-Prince]

^^ I agree, bonn would not have bring much change to the failed talks in turkey but i think may be Pakistan could have taken the opportunity to present his point of view over NATO raids and share our side of story with western world.

Sir as you are a senior member I respectfully disagree with the point you have presented here ... IMHO Pakistan must take strong steps to send their message to western world ... Its already gone to far ...

 

[Safriz]

clearly shows NATO.and USA armed forces have no value for pakistani blood..they spill.it when they want.

 

[Devil Soul]

Notice sent to US for vacating Shamsi airbase within 15 days: FM
APP (1 hour ago) Today
ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar said on Tuesday that in line with the decisions of the Defence Committee of the Cabinet, a notice has been sent to the United States for vacating the Shamsi airbase within 15 days.

Terming the Nato/Isaf attack on border posts in Mohmand Agency as the breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty and violation of international law, the Foreign Minister said, “time has come to review our relations.”

Talking to PTV, the Foreign Minister said Pakistan has supported the international community in the war against terrorism and has rendered great sacrifices.

She said Pakistan’s positive cooperation must be recognized at international level and should not be taken as its weakness.

The minister said Pakistan’s sovereignty and territorial integrity must be respected at all cost.

She categorically stated that the nation and the government would not tolerate such incidents in future. “We don’t want any aid or assistance, but we want to live with dignity and honour.”

Khar said Pakistan wants complete clarity from the international community about its sovereignty.

She said that Pakistan’s attitude towards the international community has been positive and it wanted to move forward with honour and dignity.

“It is up to Pakistan’s political forces to evolve future strategy, keeping in view the current situation,” said the minister.

“It is for the first time that the decision to halt Nato supply was taken at the highest level,” she said.

The foreign minister said the government’s focus was on preserving the national interests, adding, “We cannot sacrifice our national interests.”
Notice sent to US for vacating Shamsi airbase within 15 days: FM | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

 

[Jango]

Oh no Blain2, they are anything but silly! The sleeping part is a very important piece of information.

No tidbits there!

If it were the 80's or even the 90's, no mode of communication like CableTV in every house, internet on every phone. Then we wouldn't witness such eruption of public sentiments, and the Army/Gov taking notice of such sentiments.

The sleeping part is not to tell the NATO what a dirty criminal they are. On the fronts, who cares who is sleeping and who is not? The sleeping part is for public consumption! It makes people highly emotional.

Let us say it was proper confrontation, and they all died fighting. The rage among the people would be, somewhat, replaced by pride.

But the revered soldiers getting caught unawares while they were resting makes people more vengeful. Pakistani Army is holding a good leverage to show the Americans that look, you committed a pretty big mistake there, now you gotta compensate for it.

To understand the value of soldiers killed in sleep, consider this - What if the soldiers were attacked, while they had their eyes closed, reading Namaz? That would go over the top, the parked tankers in Peshawar, wouldn't be parked anymore. Don't you think?

The sleeping part carries a great significant here, and that is why it has been emphasized upon by the ISPR.

Some people dies fighting as well. What about them then?

 

[fd24]

This was a tragic incident to say the least. But the mess have been created by both since zia's era.

Praful every other month you come on with you poor quality trolling and get banned. There is a limit to the amount of rubbish you can come out with.. We know by now what your agenda is. You are a pathetic troll that is hear for only one reason and thats troll troll troll. I would be grateful if you either stay away or post quality - its disgraceful of the likes of you that you can stoop as low as you do to attempt to troll.
Nato have crossed into our land and killed our soldiers whilst they sleep yet you show you agenda by blaming us and Zia? How dare you suggest we are to blame for this non provocated attack? You are a meesly poor little indian troll who sits high and mighty behind your labtop - in reality you got the smallest heart and brain in India. Have some respect for the soldiers and take a day off trolling.

 

[TaimiKhan]

clearly shows NATO.and USA armed forces have no value for pakistani blood..they spill.it when they want.

So will be done in Afghanistan.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

These past incidents,as well as the present one, only prove that NATO's calculation about lack of spine on part of the Pakistani leadership is correct. They are therefore not to blame, but the Pindi/IBD crowd.

they show that Pakistan largely bit it's pride and ignored public anger --and despite of it -- they wanted to remain 'on mission'

well guess what, the mission hasn't changed.....but you can be sure as hell that cooperation with them has, or will be signifantly effected for quite some time at the very least.

this incident is too much; and you know that when fuel suppliers (who gain from NATO cooperation) and when even cable operators (who gain from televising 'western' channels) also threaten to boycott those member-states ---that public anger by and large can no longer be set aside. It can have a demoralizing impact on the people and on our men who are on the frontline.

 

[The HBS Guy]

Two days back also they said '15 days'.

15 days from when?

 

[Jango]

Now something i would like to add.

Now, since the PA stands on it's point that it was not a mistake, and very much intentional attack, then the question comes to mind is that what did ISAF/US/NATO gain by this?

IMO, the US tried to get a measure of the response time of the Pakistani forces , and check how deep the water is. They have claimed on previous occasions that they will pursue terrorists across border if the need be.

In light of the scenario stated above, they could have checked the response of the Pakistani side.

Now, if the Pakistanis also are on the same page that it was intentional, then they must have to get a contingency plan if future incidents like this happen. Then the reaction time would need to be fast, and the response a befitting one.

So, do you people think that there could be a better reply next time , if a next time does come?

 

[wmdisinfo]

we will know after 2 weeks december 11 how much will they appologize and how much they will regret when they r out of water and toilet paper

 

[CENTCOM]

Dear Readers, What happen in Salala is very tragic and we are saddened by the death of 25 brave Pakistani soldiers and officials. Our thoughts and prayers go out to their families. We are looking at it very seriously, and that is the reason a high ranking official has been appointed to investigate this incident. A full investigation is underway, and we all should reserve comment on the details of what happened until all investigations are completed.

In an official briefing yesterday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said, “The President's reaction is all of our reaction, which is that the events that took those lives -- the event, rather, was a tragedy. The loss of Pakistani life was a tragedy. We mourn the brave Pakistani service members who lost their lives. And our sympathies go out to their families and go out to Pakistan” He further said, “We take this matter very seriously. I believe my colleague over at the Pentagon, George Little, announced earlier today that in addition to ISAF looking into this, at the request of General Allen, CENTCOM will be investigating this matter. And we’re obviously very keen on finding out exactly what happened.” He also said, “As for our relationship with Pakistan, it continues to be an important, cooperative relationship that is also very complicated. And we have been -- senior U.S. officials have been in contact with the Pakistani government, with their counterparts in Pakistan, including Secretaries Panetta and Clinton, Chairman Dempsey, General Allen, Ambassador Munter. And those contacts will continue. It is very much in our national security interest to maintain a cooperative relationship with Pakistan, because we have shared interests in the fight against terrorism. And so we will continue to work on that relationship.”


Maj David Nevers
DET- United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command