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American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

Hey, I already have a shrink; I don't need you as another one! :lol:

Well you certainly need one. How does it feel not to bee recognised? its the system isnt it to blame? its the forum to blame? Allways somone else. All the othe pakistanis are dishonest uneducated etc. Only Pakistani who has clarity is cheng wwow
 
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............. correct in that many in Pakistan are starting to advocate for a forcible overthrow of the current political system in place, and the same argument would also then apply to the GoP no longer issuing mere 'rhetoric' about 'consequences', but actually acting to enforce its decisions against the US/NATO for illegal acts and crimes against Pakistan..........................

I do hope that what you advocate above happens; let there be some tangible progress using this incident as the catalyst.
 
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Just one quick question... When did Pakistan conduct an investigation into the incident.. If it has, are there any proofs of NATO being in the wrong.. After all Pakistan is the accuser in this and carries the burden of proof...
The initial media reports quoting Pakistani military officials - the initial death toll was much lower (6 I believe) and military officials stated they were investigating the incident and interrogating the survivors and others.

The coffins of martyred Pakistani soldiers are proof enough of the act, as are NATO military and diplomatic acceptance of the fact that their forces were responsible for the bombing of two Pakistani posts INSIDE Pakistani territory.

What is also clear is that there were TWO POSTS that were bombed, both within Pakistan. NATO might argue that they received small arms fire while conducting military operations at night, but then that area is used by Taliban staging attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan, so NATO would have to clearly show that:

1. NATO communicated details and times of its operations to Pakistani officials in advance of the operations and was communicating with them during the operation to ensure their troops were not mistaken for hostile forces by Pakistani troops along the border.

2. If NATO had indeed kept lines of communication regarding its operations that night open with Pakistan, were NATO troops inside Pakistani territory at any point, deliberately or accidentally?
 
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Friendly fire incident?Highly unlikely. NATO has drones and satellites to do the spotting for them in real-time
 
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Indians have been posting a lot of insensitive garbage in this thread as we mourn the loss of our brave men. Mods should take strict action of Indian trolling and hand out bans at first sight of such ill posting. This isn't the thread where we should tolerate their usual garbage.
We have banned quite a few individuals because of their posts on this thread. We are taking notice and taking action when appropriate.
 
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Muje aik baat samaj nahi aa rahi. Hundreds or thousands of innocent Tribals of FATA are killed in drone attacks by US...uss par kisi ne itna shor nahi machaya and now that 30 soldiers are killed, ghairat and temper has raised to the skies and there are talks of war with US...Kyun , civilians ka khoon sasta he aur foji ka mehanga?
Would you care to see how many threads and posts exist on this forum against US strikes and military operations in Pakistan?

Have you bothered to look at the opinion polls in Pakistan that show an overwhelming majority opposing those strikes and ops?
 
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No Sir: The moral depravity of the system that you are supporting is clear. You merely misdirect that ire at me.

how is he supporting the system which is morally deprived? he's encouraging the weak to stand up and fight against it. You on the other hand are telling them, dont do that cuz they're too powerful you wont succeed. And when they dont 'fully' succeed, you shamelessly say, I told you so.

sorry to speak on your behalf AM.
 
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Spinning in circles again?

What happened to 'Pakistan should accept ground realities' and there fore accept 'injustice and inequality' on the international stage?

I do hope it happens; I know it is unlikely to actually happen.

Entirely consistent and factual position.
 
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Tensions Flare Between U.S. and Pakistan After Strike

By SALMAN MASOOD and ERIC SCHMITT

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistani officials said on Saturday that NATO aircraft had killed at least 25 soldiers in strikes against two military posts at the northwestern border with Afghanistan, and the country’s supreme army commander called them unprovoked acts of aggression in a new flash point between the United States and Pakistan.
The Pakistani government responded by ordering the Central Intelligence Agency to vacate the drone operations it runs from Shamsi Air Base, in western Pakistan, within 15 days. It also closed the two main NATO supply routes into Afghanistan, including the one at Torkham. NATO forces receive roughly 40 percent of their supplies through that crossing, which runs through the Khyber Pass, and Pakistan gave no estimate for how long the routes might be shut down.
A NATO spokesman said it was likely that allied airstrikes caused the Pakistani casualties, but said an investigation had been ordered to determine the cause.
In Washington, American officials were scrambling to assess what had happened amid preliminary reports that allied forces in Afghanistan engaged in a firefight along the border and called in airstrikes. Senior Obama administration officials were also weighing the implications on a relationship that took a sharp turn for the worse after a Navy Seal commando raid killed Osama bin Laden near Islamabad in May, and that has deteriorated since then.
“Senior U.S. civilian and military officials have been in touch with their Pakistani counterparts from Islamabad, Kabul and Washington to express our condolences, our desire to work together to determine what took place and our commitment to the U.S.-Pakistan partnership, which advances our shared interests, including fighting terrorism in the region,” said Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
In a sign that the White House was trying to keep the situation from growing worse, President Obama was updated regularly throughout the day by Thomas E. Donilon, the national security adviser, Ms. Hayden said.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton; Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and Gen. John R. Allen, the commander of the NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, all talked to their Pakistani counterparts to offer condolences and to promise an investigation, administration officials said.
Mrs. Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta issued a joint statement late Saturday endorsing the investigation and offering their “deepest condolences” to Pakistan.
General Allen, in a separate statement, said, “This incident has my highest personal attention and my commitment to thoroughly investigate it to determine the facts.”
The strikes, which Pakistani officials said involved both helicopters and fighter jets, took place overnight at two military posts in Salala, a village in Pakistan’s Mohmand tribal region near the border with Kunar Province in Afghanistan. At least 40 soldiers were deployed at the posts, Pakistani military officials said, adding that NATO aircraft had penetrated roughly a mile and a half into Pakistan to make the strikes.
What remained unclear on Saturday, and what will be a main focus of NATO’s inquiry, was what exactly prompted the airstrikes and whether they were unprovoked or resulted from a communications mishap. A NATO spokesman, Brig. Gen. Carsten Jacobson, offered details suggesting that allied and Afghan troops operating near the border came under fire from unknown enemies and summoned coalition warplanes for help.
“In the early night hours of this morning, a force consisting of Afghan forces and coalition forces, in the eastern border area where the Durand Line is not always 100 percent clear, got involved in a firefight,” General Jacobson said, according to a transcript of his statements on NATO TV that the alliance provided American officials on Saturday. (The Durand Line is the colonial-era boundary between Pakistan and Afghanistan.)
“Air force was called in into this activity,” he said, “and we have to look into this situation of what actually happened on the ground.”
General Jacobson told BBC television that it was “highly likely” that the airstrikes caused the Pakistani casualties. Several American and allied military, diplomatic and intelligence officials contacted on Saturday said it was unclear what threat, real or perceived, led to the airstrikes or why the allied aircraft fired on the Pakistani troops.
Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, the Pakistan Army spokesman, told Pakistan’s Geo TV that the United States had been provided the grid locations of all Pakistani border outposts.
Such cross-border attacks have been at the heart of an increasingly hostile relationship between Pakistani and American officials. The United States has demanded that Pakistan do more to stop militants based in its territory, particularly from the feared Haqqani network and Al Qaeda, from crossing into Afghanistan to attack American forces. And United States forces in eastern Afghanistan say they have taken more mortar and rocket fire from positions at or near active Pakistani military posts in recent months, despite complaints to Pakistan about it.
Pakistani officials were enraged and embarrassed by the raid on Bin Laden’s compound and by repeated American drone strikes against militants in the northwestern tribal regions, which they consider breaches of the country’s sovereignty.
In a statement on Saturday, the Pakistani military said its top commander, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, had “directed that all necessary steps be undertaken for an effective response to this irresponsible act.”
General Kayani was severely criticized by Pakistani legislators, citizens and even his fellow commanders for allowing the American raid against Bin Laden, and he is under pressure in the wake of Saturday’s attack to stand up to the United States, American officials said.
President Asif Ali Zardari also strongly condemned the airstrikes, and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani cut short a vacation, returning to the capital and calling a meeting of his cabinet’s defense committee.
A former Pakistani diplomat, Maleeha Lodhi, who has served twice as ambassador to the United States and has close ties to the Pakistani military, said in an e-mail message: “The relationship is on a much more slippery slope now. This is as close as you can get to a rupture.”
On Saturday night, the defense committee meeting culminated in the demand to vacate the drone operations at Shamsi and the announcements that both supply routes had been closed. The base, about 200 miles southwest of Quetta in Baluchistan Province, is home to a secondary C.I.A. drone staging area.
After the Bin Laden raid, Pakistan publicly insisted that the C.I.A. shut down its missions there, but the agency balked and Pakistan quietly relented to scaled-back operations. The end of operations there would restrict the agency’s flexibility in using airstrikes against militants.
Pakistan also canceled several scheduled meetings this weekend with visiting American officers, sessions aimed at quietly rekindling training and other cooperation between the two militaries that was shelved after the Bin Laden raid.
Salman Masood reported from Islamabad, and Eric Schmitt from Washington. Ismail Khan contributed reporting from Peshawar, Pakistan, and Rod Nordland from Kabul, Afghanistan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/wo...gewanted=print
 
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Gentlemen, more than a score of our men killed in their sleep.
its better we concentrate on "pinpointing" the guilty party.. by which I refer to the individual or individuals that authorized the strike. We have apologies coming in from a lot of ISAF member states.
Question is, will our leadership eventually take the apologies, or blood money as in the RD case and forget it ever happened?
Plenty of young lions to sacrifice at the alter, as long as the Lambs can enjoy their golf in Pindi..and the weasels can go around cutting ribbons at nobody events in Islamabad on their protocol motorcades.
 
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Two dead, three injured in protest rally violence in Karachi – The Express Tribune

KARACHI: Two people were killed and three were injured in an attack on a protest rally gathered at the Numaish Chowrangi in Karachi. A journalist was among those who received a gunshot wound at the rally.

During the tail end of this charged rally, unknown persons opened fire on the crowd causing a riot in the area. Express 24/7 correspondent Sabin Agha reported that the law enforcement agencies were unable to control the situation, as firing erupted from two sides of the Chowrangi.

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