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Agha - You can't expect this kind of mentality from Ghadari or Kyo-ni
American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'
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White House offers ‘sincere’ condolences over Nato strike
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White House Press Secretary Jay Carney briefs reporters at the White House in Washington. — File Photo by AP
WASHINGTON: The White House has said it sincerely expressed condolences to Pakistan over loss of 24 soldiers in a Nato strike but indicated the US would wait for conclusions of investigations underway before reacting further to the border incident that has complicated its relations with the key regional country.
“Well, we are in the middle of an investigation — actually, at the early stages of an investigation — into what exactly happened. So I think that the expression of condolences for tragic loss of life conveys a sincere sentiment about our feelings, the President’s feelings and the administration’s feelings, and it goes to the importance of the relationship that we have with Pakistan,” President Barack Obama’s spokesman said.
Press Secretary Jay Carney dismissed as “utter nonsense” the suggestion in a report by The New York Times that President Obama was refraining from making a formal apology to Pakistan due to domestic political considerations.
Questioned at the daily briefing about whether the White House has apologised over the incident, which has evoked a strong reaction from Pakistan, Carney referred to the comments that President Obama sees it as a tragedy.
“We need to find the results of this investigation. We have offered our condolences. We have called it what it is, a tragic loss of life. And we anticipate results of the investigation to come when they’re ready,” he said, when asked if the White House considered it premature to offer an apology.
“It’s a matter of fact that I, speaking for the White House and the President, offered condolences on behalf of him, the administration, the American people, for the tragic loss of life — and it was a tragedy,” he responded to a question.
“And we have launched an investigation through CENTCOM, as well as ISAF, to find out exactly what transpired. But — maybe I’m pre-empting what your question was, but there was obviously no apology and there was an expression of condolences,” the spokesman added.
Carney found the headline of the media report as being at odds with the story but confirmed that there was a “suggestion from our embassy in Pakistan that a message of expressing condolences be taped.”
“We didn’t do that, but I personally got up here and expressed condolences on behalf of the President and the American people. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has done the same thing. So that message has been delivered. But, again, the headline is at odds with the story.”
The White House spokesman said the US is working with Pakistan on the issue of border routes for Nato supplies, which have been closed in the aftermath of the November 26 attack on Pakistani check posts.
He said it is “vital” to American national security that the US continue to have cooperative relationship with Pakistan, especially in the fight against terror.
“We urge them to attend the conference in Bonn, and are working with them on our overall relationship. We understand that this is complicated by events, as has been the case at various times this year.
“But it’s an important relationship that we continue to work on, because it’s in the interest of the American people and our national security that we continue to work on it.”
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White House Press Secretary Jay Carney briefs reporters at the White House in Washington. — File Photo by AP
WASHINGTON: The White House has said it sincerely expressed condolences to Pakistan over loss of 24 soldiers in a Nato strike but indicated the US would wait for conclusions of investigations underway before reacting further to the border incident that has complicated its relations with the key regional country.
“Well, we are in the middle of an investigation — actually, at the early stages of an investigation — into what exactly happened. So I think that the expression of condolences for tragic loss of life conveys a sincere sentiment about our feelings, the President’s feelings and the administration’s feelings, and it goes to the importance of the relationship that we have with Pakistan,” President Barack Obama’s spokesman said.
Press Secretary Jay Carney dismissed as “utter nonsense” the suggestion in a report by The New York Times that President Obama was refraining from making a formal apology to Pakistan due to domestic political considerations.
Questioned at the daily briefing about whether the White House has apologised over the incident, which has evoked a strong reaction from Pakistan, Carney referred to the comments that President Obama sees it as a tragedy.
“We need to find the results of this investigation. We have offered our condolences. We have called it what it is, a tragic loss of life. And we anticipate results of the investigation to come when they’re ready,” he said, when asked if the White House considered it premature to offer an apology.
“It’s a matter of fact that I, speaking for the White House and the President, offered condolences on behalf of him, the administration, the American people, for the tragic loss of life — and it was a tragedy,” he responded to a question.
“And we have launched an investigation through CENTCOM, as well as ISAF, to find out exactly what transpired. But — maybe I’m pre-empting what your question was, but there was obviously no apology and there was an expression of condolences,” the spokesman added.
Carney found the headline of the media report as being at odds with the story but confirmed that there was a “suggestion from our embassy in Pakistan that a message of expressing condolences be taped.”
“We didn’t do that, but I personally got up here and expressed condolences on behalf of the President and the American people. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has done the same thing. So that message has been delivered. But, again, the headline is at odds with the story.”
The White House spokesman said the US is working with Pakistan on the issue of border routes for Nato supplies, which have been closed in the aftermath of the November 26 attack on Pakistani check posts.
He said it is “vital” to American national security that the US continue to have cooperative relationship with Pakistan, especially in the fight against terror.
“We urge them to attend the conference in Bonn, and are working with them on our overall relationship. We understand that this is complicated by events, as has been the case at various times this year.
“But it’s an important relationship that we continue to work on, because it’s in the interest of the American people and our national security that we continue to work on it.”
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I did not vindicate any aggression - neither I tried to filch Pakistan's right to retaliate nor I awarded US with Carte Blanche. I made a point about continuous unfounded criticism on range of issues including generals, radars, communication equipment etc.
War is a last resort (regardless you win or loose) if all else fails. Pakistan is active on its all diplomatic channels, things are being sorted out diplomatically and politically. You are strategically very crucial for west, so isn't it better to exploit your position rather than going for an open conflict?.
Yeah, take appropriate measures to make sure incidents like November 26 are never dared again, revisit terms of engagement on WoT. If nothing works Badr is an example for you, meantime don't follow the lines of your enemies who want to see you war-ridden.
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Do me a favor read my previous posts on threads related to NATO attack you'll get my point.. Also refer to post 4239 of this thread
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Assalam alaikum
lanat tum per or tumahri administration per
when u.s citizen get killed blood is demanded and when kill ur partners u r ashamed of apologies
cut their supplies forever and get out of this stupid american war and we will be fine
TARIQ
lanat tum per or tumahri administration per
when u.s citizen get killed blood is demanded and when kill ur partners u r ashamed of apologies
cut their supplies forever and get out of this stupid american war and we will be fine
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So that means shoot down the Apache the next time it comes to kill Pakistanis right?
Tell me in simple terms, otherwise this exchange is more like the exchange Gillani had in the interview with ExpressNews.
What will happen if there's an attack?
It will be unacceptable
Does that mean you will retaliate?
I did not say there will be confrontation
So what will happen exactly in the case of another attack?
It will be unacceptable
Seriously its there, youtube it. There is no harm in saying we will kill the attackers. Right of self-defence is fundamental human right. Only in Pakistan we have to fret over whether or not we have the right to not be killed.
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Exactly sir, NATO/USA don't want any conflict with Pakistan, these attacks are just pressure tactics and thats it. Please refer to post #4239.
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Nato plans to quell Pakistan-based insurgents: Guardian
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LONDON: Nato commanders are planning a substantial offensive in eastern Afghanistan aimed at insurgent groups based in Pakistan, involving an escalation of aerial attacks on insurgent sanctuaries, and have not ruled out cross-border raids with ground troops, The Guardian newspaper reported on Friday.
The aim of offensive over next two years is to reduce threat represented by Pakistan-based groups loyal to insurgent leaders like Haqqani clan, Mullah Nazir & Hafiz Gul Bahadur.
Nato hopes to reduce level of attacks in the eastern provinces clustered around Kabul to the point where they could be contained by Afghan security forces after transition in 2014. The move is likely to add to already tense atmosphere following recent border post attack by Nato helicopters that resulted in death of 24 Pakistani soldiers.
While drawing down forces in Helmand & Kandahar, the US will step up its presence in eastern provinces bordering Pakistan, bringing long-festering issue of insurgent sanctuaries in Pakistan tribal areas to a head. Message being given to Pakistan military is that if it cannot or will not eliminate insurgent havens, US forces will attempt job themselves, report said.
It is unclear to what extent killing of 24 Pakistan soldiers in Nato air strikes last Saturday will have on Nato strategy. An investigation is underway into the incident. As a consequence, Pakistan closed supply routes used by Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and barred the US from using a Pakistani air base to launch drones.
Isaf commander, General John Allen, said the need to confront sanctuaries in Pakistan was “one of the reasons we are shifting our operations to the east”.
In an interview in Kabul, Allen, a US marine, did not give specifics of strategy and said nothing about cross-border operations.
According to The Guardian, Allen said he did not know what long-term consequences of last Saturday’s clash would be, describing it as a “tragedy”, but made clear that push to the east would continue.
“Ultimately outcome we hope to achieve in the east is a reduction of insurgent networks to the point where Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF) can handle them, reducing them in 2012, if necessary going after them in 2013,” Allen said.
“I won’t go into specifics of operations but as we consolidate our holdings in the south and as population centers there in Helmand River valley and in (Kandahar,) we will conduct substantial operations in the east idea being to expand security zone around Kabul. In particular we are going to pay lot of attention to south of Kabul, Wardak, Logar, Ghazni, Zabul.
Because in the end if you have a population in the south that feels secure and it’s secured by ANSF, and you have a population in east and around centre of gravity of Kabul, and those two are connected by a road so you have freedom of movement, you have a pretty good outcome.”
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LONDON: Nato commanders are planning a substantial offensive in eastern Afghanistan aimed at insurgent groups based in Pakistan, involving an escalation of aerial attacks on insurgent sanctuaries, and have not ruled out cross-border raids with ground troops, The Guardian newspaper reported on Friday.
The aim of offensive over next two years is to reduce threat represented by Pakistan-based groups loyal to insurgent leaders like Haqqani clan, Mullah Nazir & Hafiz Gul Bahadur.
Nato hopes to reduce level of attacks in the eastern provinces clustered around Kabul to the point where they could be contained by Afghan security forces after transition in 2014. The move is likely to add to already tense atmosphere following recent border post attack by Nato helicopters that resulted in death of 24 Pakistani soldiers.
While drawing down forces in Helmand & Kandahar, the US will step up its presence in eastern provinces bordering Pakistan, bringing long-festering issue of insurgent sanctuaries in Pakistan tribal areas to a head. Message being given to Pakistan military is that if it cannot or will not eliminate insurgent havens, US forces will attempt job themselves, report said.
It is unclear to what extent killing of 24 Pakistan soldiers in Nato air strikes last Saturday will have on Nato strategy. An investigation is underway into the incident. As a consequence, Pakistan closed supply routes used by Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and barred the US from using a Pakistani air base to launch drones.
Isaf commander, General John Allen, said the need to confront sanctuaries in Pakistan was “one of the reasons we are shifting our operations to the east”.
In an interview in Kabul, Allen, a US marine, did not give specifics of strategy and said nothing about cross-border operations.
According to The Guardian, Allen said he did not know what long-term consequences of last Saturday’s clash would be, describing it as a “tragedy”, but made clear that push to the east would continue.
“Ultimately outcome we hope to achieve in the east is a reduction of insurgent networks to the point where Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF) can handle them, reducing them in 2012, if necessary going after them in 2013,” Allen said.
“I won’t go into specifics of operations but as we consolidate our holdings in the south and as population centers there in Helmand River valley and in (Kandahar,) we will conduct substantial operations in the east idea being to expand security zone around Kabul. In particular we are going to pay lot of attention to south of Kabul, Wardak, Logar, Ghazni, Zabul.
Because in the end if you have a population in the south that feels secure and it’s secured by ANSF, and you have a population in east and around centre of gravity of Kabul, and those two are connected by a road so you have freedom of movement, you have a pretty good outcome.”
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It seems that some people are suffering from SMS (selective memory syndrome) its been clarified many times before this attack that the NATO forces don’t have the mandate to launch operations inside Pakistan, the Pakistan army shall take over in such cases, whether chooses to break the ROE and the understanding is the other point but Pakistan army would never have had given a go ahead to come inside let alone attack its own positions.
I know it doesn’t matter to you guys because you don’t care, you already said it few times, you intent is to score points and talk cheap and get the kick out of it. EVEN if the Pakistan army had given them a go ahead to come inside Pakistan, there was no chance to give them the clear to attack not one but two check posts and not just any checks posts but ones that were manned by almost two companies.
Every new statement that is coming out of NATO’s behind is basically negating their last statement.
-First it was a hot pursuit of Taliban and they couldn’t tell if they were within Afghanistan or crossed into Pakistan. They back up their claim on the bases of some Afghan border policeman who might not even exist
-Second, they blame the Taliban by leading them into Pakistani check posts (no mention of getting a clear from Pakistan).
-Then they admit that the NATO strike (could have) resulted in Pakistani casualties (no mention of Pakistani distress calls).
-And now they maintain that they were given a clear by Pakistan army itself to attack their two posts? Remember that Gen Jacobs is talking about “a tactical situation arising” that let to air strike. Did he care to say on 26th that this tactical situation was an all clear from Pakistan and why are they making noise now?
God bless the free information and God bless the whistle blowers and Julian Julian Assange and god bless the American soldiers of conscious who blow the lid off the cover ups and lies of the NATO in Iraq and Afghanistan.
No no no, don’t worry, I am not expecting you guys to digest it, because that’s not even your purpose to post here, I know it and many people know it why you are sprouting garbage, but I am saying what I am saying for the sake of the rest of the people who can get a picture different from what the NATO force is drawing. And it keeps changing. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but one day the truth will come out. As for now there is 99% chance that NATO will blame Pakistan and absolve itself from any wrong doing but that’s nothing new and that wont stop us to say what we know.
You keep on trolling over the inaction of PAF yet you don’t question NATO that despite having the best equipment in the world was unable to distinguish between Taliban and regular troops. Troops that had established a proper dug in posts with communication equipments and Flag. Taliban don’t fight in dug in positions, they never had in for the past 10 years. The pilots that were engaging the both check posts could see it all and hear it all yet they continued, maybe they were following the direct orders and were continue to do it even if they were not initially briefed on what their intended target was.
But the man thing is that there are survivers and there are witnesses dispite this murder, so whatever the story, whether it suits NATO or suit’s the Pakistan army, it will come out from the soldiers who lived the day to tell the tale.
I know it doesn’t matter to you guys because you don’t care, you already said it few times, you intent is to score points and talk cheap and get the kick out of it. EVEN if the Pakistan army had given them a go ahead to come inside Pakistan, there was no chance to give them the clear to attack not one but two check posts and not just any checks posts but ones that were manned by almost two companies.
Every new statement that is coming out of NATO’s behind is basically negating their last statement.
-First it was a hot pursuit of Taliban and they couldn’t tell if they were within Afghanistan or crossed into Pakistan. They back up their claim on the bases of some Afghan border policeman who might not even exist
-Second, they blame the Taliban by leading them into Pakistani check posts (no mention of getting a clear from Pakistan).
-Then they admit that the NATO strike (could have) resulted in Pakistani casualties (no mention of Pakistani distress calls).
-And now they maintain that they were given a clear by Pakistan army itself to attack their two posts? Remember that Gen Jacobs is talking about “a tactical situation arising” that let to air strike. Did he care to say on 26th that this tactical situation was an all clear from Pakistan and why are they making noise now?
God bless the free information and God bless the whistle blowers and Julian Julian Assange and god bless the American soldiers of conscious who blow the lid off the cover ups and lies of the NATO in Iraq and Afghanistan.
No no no, don’t worry, I am not expecting you guys to digest it, because that’s not even your purpose to post here, I know it and many people know it why you are sprouting garbage, but I am saying what I am saying for the sake of the rest of the people who can get a picture different from what the NATO force is drawing. And it keeps changing. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but one day the truth will come out. As for now there is 99% chance that NATO will blame Pakistan and absolve itself from any wrong doing but that’s nothing new and that wont stop us to say what we know.
You keep on trolling over the inaction of PAF yet you don’t question NATO that despite having the best equipment in the world was unable to distinguish between Taliban and regular troops. Troops that had established a proper dug in posts with communication equipments and Flag. Taliban don’t fight in dug in positions, they never had in for the past 10 years. The pilots that were engaging the both check posts could see it all and hear it all yet they continued, maybe they were following the direct orders and were continue to do it even if they were not initially briefed on what their intended target was.
But the man thing is that there are survivers and there are witnesses dispite this murder, so whatever the story, whether it suits NATO or suit’s the Pakistan army, it will come out from the soldiers who lived the day to tell the tale.
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Every NATO report is gospel truth for some who accept it as being from a divine source and thus infallible despite it contradicting earlier reports ... Let them hallucinate and live in denial mode ... Who cares about them seriously ?
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Yes! absolutely right! but we can't do anything....Looks like our whole Army's elite as well as PAF are on US payrolls including our ruling elites in Civilians govt......but our poor civilians , soldiers and officers are getting slain everyday by these evil US/NATO aggressors.....very hopless situation is this for everybody who loves our country.......
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[video]http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/391148/june-30-2011/colbert-report--formidable-opponent---pakistan[/video]
After watching these sort of propaganda videos it seems very logical why American people thinks wrong about us.
After watching these sort of propaganda videos it seems very logical why American people thinks wrong about us.
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Oh Okay! ..hey but they missed that their own US govt is making and sending all these terrorists from Afghanistan all over the world....
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