American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[Last Hope]

What a load of bull crap. In my bedroom, I have got newpaper cut outs and articles all over the walls. One of them, after the May 2 drama, says 'No more raids - Pakistan warns for strict actions'. What happened now? Our men were fighting for 3 long hours and no air support/re-inforcement was sent from the back??

I used to be a huge fan of Kayani until I read the reports on him and his family. I have now strongly changed my views.

As long as Kayani is here, Pakistan isin't doing anything. Just to share somethings I found out, his younger brother is a Colonol, who is leader of land-grabbing mafia. I still was in dilemma, he has done more goods than bads, but we cannot neglect any part of it.

One more thing that disturbs is the report I read claims one of our posts on Western border fired AAA and mortars on the chopper, apparantly missed them and they got killed too. The question arises how could they miss the choppers?! And that night, they fought without orders. All the SOPs were violated. They didn't need permission to fight, they had to do it. Air Marshal (Retred) Shahid Lateef says the NATO attacked as their agents were trapped. This was a rescue mission.

Even if they come next time, and the orders aren't given, our men would fight back. Sometimes self-determined decision are better than the ones you get from high command. Unless Kayani here means he would send a full scale armed force to retaliate.

 

[RazPaK]

CHALOOO JII!!!

Karzai is starting to panic. Once US starts exiting he will need all the friends he can get for talking so much **** to Pakistan. The guy is already sweating. lol.

 

[lem34]

Karzai is nothing more than a quisling. He truely is a traiter to afghani people. He would not last a day without the occupiers of afghanistan supporting him

 

[Emmie]

Its too clever by half by Gen.Kiyani by leaving the decision of retaliation on the troops.Troops will remember the 26th nov incident for their own good before retaliating in future.

Is this reasoning practiced there?

 

[53fd]

So let me try to understand Karzai: he says Pakistan is responsible for everything in Afghanistan, but he would support Pakistan if there is a war between the US & Pakistan, & then he would "protect" the Taliban from the ISI! Karzai needs to get his head checked.

 

[Secur]

Its too clever by half by Gen.Kiyani by leaving the decision of retaliation on the troops.Troops will remember the 26th nov incident for their own good before retaliating in future.

Why do you think everyone is a coward like you ? Soldiers do not think like that just a food for your thought

 

[opps]

It looks like tiger hills after it was captured in kargil.scene set up as it was bombarded by mirages day in day out.

 

[JohnyD]

Kayani is a donkey in a tiger suit....it should be pak elected PM who is taking the decisions and not people like kayani....never allow armed person to take civillian decisions...

 

[RazPaK]

There is no doubt Kiyani is an American agent, but you guys fail to realize he has to appease the US/Zardari and his own Generals.


There is no way these attacks will stop if Pakistan does not start defending their air space. With every attack Nato grows bolder. I'm sorry if Fear is your only God. These are the ground realities.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Karzai is starting to panic. Once US starts exiting he will need all the friends he can get for talking so much **** to Pakistan. The guy is already sweating. lol.

pretty much!!!!

 

[Emmie]

What a load of bull crap. In my bedroom, I have got newpaper cut outs and articles all over the walls. One of them, after the May 2 drama, says 'No more raids - Pakistan warns for strict actions'. What happened now? Our men were fighting for 3 long hours and no air support/re-inforcement was sent from the back.

I used to be a huge fan of Kayani until I read the reports on him and his family. I have now strongly changed my views.
As long as Kayani is here, Pakistan isin't doing anything. Just to share somethings I found out, his father was a army general too, and his younger brother is a Colonol, who is leader of land-grabbing mafia. I still was in dilemma, he has done more goods than bads, but we cannot neglect any part of it.

One more thing that disturbs is the report I read claims one of our posts on Western border fired AAA and mortars on the chopper, but they got killed too. The question arises how could they miss the choppers?! And that night, they fought without worder. All the SOPs were violated. They didn't need permission to fight, they had to do it. Air Marshal (Retred) Shahid Lateef says the NATO attacked as their agents were trapped. This was a rescue mission.

Even if they come next time, and the orders aren't given, our men would fight back. Sometimes self-determined decision are better than the ones you get from high command. Unless Kayani here means he would send a full scale armed force to retaliate.

I never expected this from you... Anyway, care to share the link of report you read?

 

[blain2]

What a load of bull crap. In my bedroom, I have got newpaper cut outs and articles all over the walls. One of them, after the May 2 drama, says 'No more raids - Pakistan warns for strict actions'. What happened now? Our men were fighting for 3 long hours and no air support/re-inforcement was sent from the back.

I used to be a huge fan of Kayani until I read the reports on him and his family. I have now strongly changed my views.
As long as Kayani is here, Pakistan isin't doing anything. Just to share somethings I found out, his father was a army general too, and his younger brother is a Colonol, who is leader of land-grabbing mafia. I still was in dilemma, he has done more goods than bads, but we cannot neglect any part of it.

One more thing that disturbs is the report I read claims one of our posts on Western border fired AAA and mortars on the chopper, but they got killed too. The question arises how could they miss the choppers?! And that night, they fought without worder. All the SOPs were violated. They didn't need permission to fight, they had to do it. Air Marshal (Retred) Shahid Lateef says the NATO attacked as their agents were trapped. This was a rescue mission.

Even if they come next time, and the orders aren't given, our men would fight back. Sometimes self-determined decision are better than the ones you get from high command. Unless Kayani here means he would send a full scale armed force to retaliate.

What was your source for the above news? Jang or Nawa-i-waqt?

Kiyani is the first CoAS whose father was a NCO. As far as I am aware, he is the only one from the family in the Army.

Pakistan will go down the drain if we do not stop this habit of killing each other with hyperbole, rumors and conspiracy theories.

This recent attack was not a raid. It was a border skirmish. Border skirmishes go on for hours at times (with the Indians they used to run into days).

This decision that is being discussed has not been proven to be true or false. Its just a rumor, among the million others that clog Pakistan's airwaves and around which we eat our lunches and dinners.

I know one thing for sure, something like this next time will result in a reaction. Whether that will be good for anyone remains to be seen and should also be a moment for pause for the ISAF and their ANA pathfinders.

 

[Last Hope]

I never expected this from you... Anyway, care to share the link of report you read?

The report on the incident was published in Express Tribune, and the report on Kayani's family is.... is not available for Civilians. Trust me, he isin't the right man. I happened to ask my sources on his reports after the incident, and what I found was eye opening.

My signature may come in handy.

 

[Vassnti]

It's funny how Karzai is shifting the blame from the Taliban to Pakistan. Just goes to show the anti-Pakistan regime in Afghanistan does not want peace with Pakistan, or stability in the region.

Which came first was Karzai anti pakistan or was Pakistan anti Karzai?
Yes Karzai seems to be getting more and more strident in his attacks on Pakistan but what do you expect from a guy who thinks Pakistans plan for him post US involves a blindfold and a last cigarette?

 

[53fd]

A lot of it appears to be speculation, but you cannot term all of it mere propaganda.

From all the information coming out these days, there is a spontaneous change taking place in the Taliban leadership. There is a serious, and embarrassing tussle for power going on among the "subtribes" and is gradually making the Taliban immune to the influence coming from the eastern border. The main factions are Noorzai, and Durrani (or something like that - my HD crashed a week back).

If we can gather enough information, it will be much easier to figure out which way the Taliban is going and how is it affecting Pakistan's influence in Afghanistan.

The Taliban have never been one unified faction or entity. It has always been divided into tribes & sub-tribes. There are different Taliban commanders for different regions. There are frequent tussles between different rival groups within the Taliban. The only factor that seems to hold them together is their allegiance to Mullah Omar. The problem in Afghanistan isn't how strong or weak the Taliban is, but the lack of credibility the current regime has, & how divided the Afghans, & Afghanistan as a country is.