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American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

Bonn conference should be attended, but NATo supplies blocked, cooperation with NATO stopped, and the inclusion and participation of Pakistan in NATO sessions as an observer be stopped.

not to hurt any feelings but friend you very well know what will be the end result "yoon to maloom hai jannat ki hakeekat lekin ?dil behlane ko galigb khayal achha hai" Thanks .
 
is it airbase or army base

i think the nearest base to terbella is kamara airbase and if Americans are there than . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?????????????????
every one know better . . . . .
It is army base and it is huge. let me explain of your driving car at 60 km or round about you will required at least 20 to 25 minutes to leave it behind i am just talking about from out side. does any one care
 
'Shamsi base is nice, but not crucial for drone attacks'
By AFP
Published: November 29, 2011
US drone raids targeting militants in Pakistan will not be jeopardized if Islamabad does indeed expel Americans from a key air base, officials and a former intelligence officer said Monday.
Angered over a Nato air attack on Saturday that left 24 Pakistani soldiers dead, Islamabad has shut off supply routes to US-led forces in Afghanistan and ordered Americans out of the Shamsi air base used by the CIA’s fleet of unmanned aircraft.
Even if the Pakistanis make good on their threat over Shamsi, US officials and analysts say the move would be largely symbolic as Washington could fly Predator and Reaper drones out of air fields in neighboring Afghanistan.
“Shamsi is a nice thing to have, but it’s not critical to drone operations. They can be carried out from bases in Afghanistan,” said Bruce Reidel, a former CIA officer and fellow at the Brookings Institution think tank.
The remote Shamsi air base in the country’s southwest is particularly useful for flights hampered by poor weather conditions, he said.
A senior US official said the facility was not a make-or-break link for the robotic planes that have proved an effective weapon against Al-Qaeda and Taliban extremists.
“The real issue isn’t Shamsi, it’s air space,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AFP.
So far there was no sign that Islamabad would bar the US aircraft from flying over Pakistan, and its announcement on Shamsi appeared designed to placate a domestic audience in Pakistan, officials said.
The Shamsi base reflects the contradictions in the uneasy partnership between the two countries, with Islamabad reluctant to publicly acknowledge its tacit cooperation with US counter-terror efforts, which many Pakistanis see as a violation of their country’s sovereignty.
“You have to have jet fuel delivered to Shamsi,” Reidel said. “The Pakistani public has the impression of a base that operates extraterritorially but in reality it operates because the Pakistani army helps it to operate.”
Shortly after Saturday’s air attack on the border by Nato forces, Pakistan’s cabinet ministers and military chiefs demanded the United States clear out of the Shamsi air field within 15 days.
Pakistan previously called for the Americans to leave the air base in June but later backed off.
Although President Barack Obama’s administration was working on a response to a number of demands from Pakistan, there were no plans to pull back on the drone raids, which intelligence officials have credited with weakening the Al-Qaeda network.
“Pakistan remains a critical counter-terrorism partner, and we do not anticipate significant changes in that relationship,” another US official said.
A more serious problem for the United States and Nato allies is Pakistan’s decision to close its border to convoys ferrying fuel and supplies to coalition troops in landlocked Afghanistan.
Nearly half of all cargo bound for Nato-led forces runs through Pakistan. Roughly 140,000 foreign troops, including about 97,000 Americans, rely on supplies from outside Afghanistan for the ten-year-old war effort.
Pakistan has shut off the border over previous incidents, partly to allay popular outrage, and US officials said they expected the latest closure would be temporary.
The Pentagon said top government officials and commanders are working with the Pakistanis “on a way ahead” following the air strikes and the White House underscored the importance of the relationship with Islamabad.
Despite the deep distrust between the United States and Pakistan, neither country can afford a complete rupture in relations, officials said.
“By permanently cutting off supplies to Nato forces, Pakistan would not just be taking on the United States but Nato and the United Nations,” Reidel said. “The Pakistanis don’t want to do that.”
 
Pakistan draws UN Security Council’s attention to NATO raid


UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan has brought to the attention of the UN Security Council the statement issued by the Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DCC) condemning the November 26 Nato strike on Mohmand checkposts.

The DCC statement has been circulated to members of the Security Council by its president and is being issued as an official document of the 15-member council.

Pakistan’s UN Ambassador Abdullah Hussain Haroon, who had arrived in New York on Sunday night after having consultations with the government, addressed a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. He apprised the Secretary General of the situation, saying that in the early hours of Saturday, the Nato/Isaf aircraft attack on Pakistan’s border posts resulted in the death of 24 officers and soldiers of Pakistan Army and injured another 13 personnel.

The DCC, in its emergency meeting chaired by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani on Saturday evening, had condemned the attack in the strongest terms and declared it unacceptable. It reiterated the resolve of the Pakistani people and Armed Forces to safeguard the country’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity at all costs.

In accordance with the resolution of the Joint Session of the Parliament of May 14, the DCC announced the closure with immediate effect of the Nato/Isaf logistics supply lines and decided to ask the United States to vacate the Shamsi Airbase within 15 days.

The DCC statement had also said that the government will revisit and undertake a complete review of all programmes, activities and cooperative arrangements with US/Nato/Isaf, including diplomatic, political, military and intelligence.

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A more serious problem for the United States and Nato allies is Pakistan’s decision to close its border to convoys ferrying fuel and supplies to coalition troops in landlocked Afghanistan.

Nearly half of all cargo bound for Nato-led forces runs through Pakistan. Roughly 140,000 foreign troops, including about 97,000 Americans, rely on supplies from outside Afghanistan for the ten-year-old war effort. Source

About Shamsi Airbase- It’s a serious blow in the sense that the Pakistani government felt that they needed to deny us the use of a base that we’ve been using for many years. “And so it’s serious in that regard. It’s not debilitating militarily.”

Dempsey said ties at senior levels between the two nations’ militaries were still strong at the “person-to-person” level.

He said he had known Pakistan’s army chief General Ashfaq Kayani since the two studied together at the US Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas in the late 1980s. Source
 
According to news reports today, trucks for NATO have been ordered to go outside of Khyber Agency.
 
not to hurt any feelings but friend you very well know what will be the end result "yoon to maloom hai jannat ki hakeekat lekin ?dil behlane ko galigb khayal achha hai" Thanks .

Yeah, so what will happen in your opinion?
 
NATO attack was launched to rescue TTP militants

Islamabad—Military observers now believe that the NATO aircraft which attacked and killed 24 Pakistani soldiers were in fact sent to rescue the TTP terrorists who had been encircled by Pakistani forces near Silalah check posts.

The defence observers who are closely monitoring the situation told Pakistan Observer that reports suggest that Pakistani soldiers had encircled a group of TTP terrorists who had been active in the most difficult area where Pakistani armed forces had gained ground after paying much sacrifice.

According to a report a group of TTP terrorists who had penetrated from Afghanistan had been surrounded by Pakistani armed forces in the region on November 25 and were about to be eliminated from within next few hours. But all of a sudden NATO aircraft reached and mercilessly attacked Pakistan army’s check posts. Pakistani officials in the region immediately sent messages to their ISAF counterparts in Afghanistan notifying the attack by aircraft but no action was taken and the attack continued for more than thirty minutes destroying all two Pakistan check posts in the area.

It is no secret that TTP terrorists leaders, Waliur Rehman and Mullah Fazlullah are residing across the border in Kunar and Nuristan and had recently vowed to return to Pakistan to carry out more terrorist attacks inside Pakistan.

Afghan monitors also say that anti-Pakistan Afghan commanders have been deployed along Pak-Afghan borders across Mohamand Agency where Pakistani armed forces had launched two operations against terrorists causing considerable casualties to the militants.

Afghan monitors believe that at least two Afghan military officials who have direct or indirect links had been posted in the region. These two Afghan military officials Brig. Gen. Aminullah Amarkhel and Colonel Numan Hatifi (of 201st Silab Corps) are known for their anti-Pakistan sentiments and links with elements aiming to malign Pakistan.


NATO attack was launched to rescue TTP militants
 
Pakistan strike probe report due next month: US
By AFP
Published: November 29, 2011
A US-led investigation into a Nato air strike that killed 24 Pakistani troops near the Afghan border will report its initial findings by December 23, officials said Tuesday.
The chief of US Central Command, which oversees US forces in Afghanistan and the Middle East, appointed Brigadier General Stephen Clark, a one-star air force general, to lead the investigation, the US military announced.
The probe is expected to provide an initial report by December 23, it added.
Pakistan has reacted to Saturday’s air strike with fury, cutting off crucial supply routes to Nato forces in Afghanistan, and ordering US personnel to vacate an air base reportedly used by CIA drones and a review of US relations.
Clark will lead the investigation with input from Nato and its International Security Assistance Force, which has 130,000 troops in Afghanistan in addition to an extra 10,000 American forces operating under separate command.
The Afghan and Pakistani governments are also being invited to take part, despite Pakistan’s furious response to the attack.
“It is USCENTCOM’s intent to include these government representatives to the maximum extent possible to determine what happened and preclude it from happening again,” the US military said.
“The investigation team will focus their efforts on the facts of the incident and any matters that facilitate a better understanding of the circumstances surrounding the deaths and injuries of the Pakistani forces.”
ISAF sent an initial assessment team to the border over the weekend.
A Western military official in Kabul, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the probe team had yet to arrive in Afghanistan but insisted its findings would be reported “way quicker” than initially expected.
The source said it was not unusual for US Central Command to carry out this kind of investigation rather than ISAF, which usually undertakes probes into incidents such as civilian casualties.
ISAF refused to comment when asked whether US Special Forces had been operating in the area when the air strikes were called in.
Islamabad insists that the air strikes were unprovoked, but Afghan and Western officials have reportedly accused Pakistani forces of firing first.
Before Saturday’s attack, US military officers had been working to shore up cooperation with Pakistani forces along the Afghan border.
Communication between units on the border virtually broke down in the aftermath of a US raid in May that killed al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden at his Pakistani compound, sending US-Pakistani relations into free fall.
 
US suspects Nato forces lured into deadly raid
AP (1 hour ago) Today

This file photo taken on June 1, 2011 shows Pakistani soldiers standing guard on a mountain ridge in the Mohmand tribal region. — Photo by AFP

WASHINGTON: Nato forces may have been lured into attacking friendly Pakistani border posts in a calculated manoeuvre by the Taliban, according to preliminary US military reports on the deadliest friendly fire incident with Pakistan since the war began.

The Nato air strike killed 24 Pakistani soldiers over the weekend in an apparent case of mistaken identity, The Associated Press has learned.

A joint US-Afghan patrol was attacked by the Taliban early Saturday morning, and while pursuing the enemy in the poorly marked border area, seem to have mistaken one of the Pakistan troop outposts for a militant encampment and called in a Nato gunship and attack helicopters to open fire.

US officials say the account suggests the Taliban may have deliberately tried to provoke a cross-border firefight that would set back fragile partnerships between the US and Nato forces and Pakistani soldiers at the ill-defined border.

Officials described the records on condition of anonymity to discuss classified matters.

The incident sent the perpetually difficult US-Pakistan relationship into a tailspin.

Gen. James Mattis, head of U.S. Central Command, announced Monday that he has appointed Brig. Gen. Stephen Clark, an Air Force special operations officer, to lead the probe of the incident, and said he must include input from the Nato-led forces in Afghanistan, as well as representatives from the Afghan and Pakistani governments.

According to the US military records described to the AP, the joint US and Afghan patrol requested backup after being hit by mortar and small arms fire by Taliban militants.

Officials described the records on condition of anonymity to discuss classified matters.

Before responding, the joint US-Afghan patrol first checked with the Pakistani army, which reported it had no troops in the area, the military account said.

Some two hours later, still hunting the insurgents who had by now apparently fled in the direction of Pakistani border posts, the US commander spotted what he thought was a militant encampment, with heavy weapons mounted on tripods.

Then the joint patrol called for the air strikes at around 2:21 a.m. Pakistani time, not realising the encampment was the Pakistani border post.

Records show the aerial response included Apache attack helicopters and an AC-130 gunship.

US officials are working on the assumption the Taliban chose the location for the first attack, to create just such confusion, and draw US and Pakistani forces into firing on each other, according to US officials briefed on the operation.

At the White House, spokesman Jay Carney said President Barack Obama considers the Pakistani deaths a tragedy, and said the administration is determined to investigate.

The Pentagon released a four-page memo from Centcom commander Mattis to the general he named to lead the inquiry. Mattis directed Clark to determine what happened, which units were involved, which ones did or did not cross the border, how the operation was coordinated, and what caused the deaths and injuries.

Mattis asked Clark to also make any recommendations about how border operations could be improved, and he said the final report should be submitted by December 23.

The details emerged as aftershocks of the Nato airstrike were reverberating across the US military and diplomatic landscape Monday, threatening communications and supply lines for the Afghan war and the success of an upcoming international conference.

While US officials expressed regret and sympathy over the cross-border incident, they are not acknowledging blame, amid conflicting reports about who fired first.

The airstrike was politically explosive as well as deadly, coming as US officials were working to repair relations with the Pakistanis after a series of major setbacks, including the US commando raid into Pakistan in May that killed Osama bin Laden.

In recent weeks, military leaders had begun expressing some optimism that US-Pakistan military cooperation along the border was beginning to improve.

US Army Maj. Gen. Daniel Allyn told Pentagon reporters just last Tuesday that incidents of firing from Pakistan territory had tapered off somewhat in recent weeks.

Speaking to reporters Monday, Pentagon press secretary George Little stressed the need for a strong military relationship with Pakistan.

”The Pakistani government knows our position on that, and that is we do regret the loss of life in this incident, and we are investigating it,” said Little.

The military fallout began almost immediately.

Pakistan has blocked vital supply routes for US-led troops in Afghanistan and demanded that Washington vacate a base used by American drones. Pakistan ordered CIA employees to mothball their drone operation at Pakistan’s Shamsi air base within two weeks, a senior Pakistani official said.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

On the diplomatic front, the Obama administration said Pakistan may pull out of an international conference on Afghanistan next week as a result of the incident.

The State Department also issued a new warning for US citizens in Pakistan. It said that all US government personnel working in Pakistan were being recalled to Islamabad and warned Americans to be on guard for possible retaliation. US citizens in Pakistan are being told to travel in pairs, avoid crowds and demonstrations and keep a low profile.
 
NATO attack was launched to rescue TTP militants

Islamabad—Military observers now believe that the NATO aircraft which attacked and killed 24 Pakistani soldiers were in fact sent to rescue the TTP terrorists who had been encircled by Pakistani forces near Silalah check posts.

The defence observers who are closely monitoring the situation told Pakistan Observer that reports suggest that Pakistani soldiers had encircled a group of TTP terrorists who had been active in the most difficult area where Pakistani armed forces had gained ground after paying much sacrifice.

According to a report a group of TTP terrorists who had penetrated from Afghanistan had been surrounded by Pakistani armed forces in the region on November 25 and were about to be eliminated from within next few hours. But all of a sudden NATO aircraft reached and mercilessly attacked Pakistan army’s check posts. Pakistani officials in the region immediately sent messages to their ISAF counterparts in Afghanistan notifying the attack by aircraft but no action was taken and the attack continued for more than thirty minutes destroying all two Pakistan check posts in the area.

It is no secret that TTP terrorists leaders, Waliur Rehman and Mullah Fazlullah are residing across the border in Kunar and Nuristan and had recently vowed to return to Pakistan to carry out more terrorist attacks inside Pakistan.

Afghan monitors also say that anti-Pakistan Afghan commanders have been deployed along Pak-Afghan borders across Mohamand Agency where Pakistani armed forces had launched two operations against terrorists causing considerable casualties to the militants.

Afghan monitors believe that at least two Afghan military officials who have direct or indirect links had been posted in the region. These two Afghan military officials Brig. Gen. Aminullah Amarkhel and Colonel Numan Hatifi (of 201st Silab Corps) are known for their anti-Pakistan sentiments and links with elements aiming to malign Pakistan.


NATO attack was launched to rescue TTP militants
 
Pakistan may not want war but war is being imposed on Pakistan. While the task of diplomacy is to delay inevitable wars, the Pakistani leadership should sit down for two months to chalk out a long term strategy with national consensus and only then talk to the Americans. We can defend our homeland effectively provided we prepare day and night, quietly, fearlessly and with determination for the inevitable World War III.

The writer is vice-chancellor of Punjab University.

This is personal Big mouthing of Honorable Vice chancellor. As one of the fellow member said, To create a conspiracy theory, first reach to conclusion, then start collecting facts....

I am equally raged on this attack, but let us wait for inquiry before making any speculation.
 
Nothing except time can heal this 'insult' Pakistan suffered. Not at all a enviable position to be in.

ISAF/US leaving Afghanistan is mooted by many as solution to the problems that Pakistan faces, which is not correct. Dilution of Afghani importance would lead to militants/extremists diverting there attention to Xinjiang/Kashmir so the problem simply moves from west to east, and will continue to exist.

I would rather say sacrifices due to US presence in Afghan should be accepted, because an angry China due to Xinjiang would be simply be the END.
 
Will any top head - official - (military or civilian or both) be assassinated these days by a person who does not see the actions so far taken by Pakistan against USA/NATO as enough? Just a question.
 
Nothing except time can heal this 'insult' Pakistan suffered. Not at all a enviable position to be in.

ISAF/US leaving Afghanistan is mooted by many as solution to the problems that Pakistan faces, which is not correct. Dilution of Afghani importance would lead to militants/extremists diverting there attention to Xinjiang/Kashmir so the problem simply moves from west to east, and will continue to exist.

I would rather say sacrifices due to US presence in Afghan should be accepted, because an angry China due to Xinjiang would be simply be the END.

u r thinking India only
 
Pakistan strike probe report due next month: US | World | DAWN.COM

KABUL: A US-led investigation into a Nato air strike that killed 24 Pakistani troops near the Afghan border will report its initial findings by December 23, officials said Tuesday.

The chief of US Central Command, which oversees US forces in Afghanistan and the Middle East, appointed Brigadier General Stephen Clark, a one-star air force general, to lead the investigation, the US military announced.

The probe is expected to provide an initial report by December 23, it added.

Pakistan has reacted to Saturday’s air strike with fury, cutting off crucial supply routes to Nato forces in Afghanistan, and ordering US personnel to vacate an air base reportedly used by CIA drones and a review of US relations.

Clark will lead the investigation with input from Nato and its International Security Assistance Force.

The Afghan and Pakistani governments are also being invited to take part, despite Pakistan’s furious response to the attack.

“It is USCENTCOM’s intent to include these government representatives to the maximum extent possible to determine what happened and preclude it from happening again,” the US military said.

“The investigation team will focus their efforts on the facts of the incident and any matters that facilitate a better understanding of the circumstances surrounding the deaths and injuries of the Pakistani forces.” ISAF sent an initial assessment team to the border over the weekend.

A Western military official in Kabul, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the probe team had yet to arrive in Afghanistan but insisted its findings would be reported “way quicker” than initially expected.

The source said it was not unusual for US Central Command to carry out this kind of investigation rather than ISAF, which usually undertakes probes into incidents such as civilian casualties.

ISAF refused to comment when asked whether US Special Forces had been operating in the area when the air strikes were called in.
 
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