American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[air marshal]

 

[888jamie888]

Going out strong I guess. They want to make their legacy known for death, destruction, terrorism, killing, murder, bombing and whatnot. What better way to go about that than start yet another war.

Ridiculous.

 

[FNFAL]

Guys any update on the blockade? I mean is it still there or limited supply of essential medical supplies and stuff have been cleared..? Getting no update on indian newspapers

 

[Safriz]

Aryan, in every other post of yours you speak of Americas impending doom, bankruptcy, death, destruction etc. Why,therefore would they now risk another conflict with Pakistan?

they need an escape goat for their monumental failure in Afghanistan.thats why

 

[Emmie]

Emmie yaar any person on earth would look at the argument objectively and have perhaps a hunch. It not as if it was 50 or 100 metres across the border. It was 2 miles. However anybody wants to look at it - it looks mor and more like a massacre. The silence of Nato speaks volumes. Yet VC wishes to give the benefit of the doubt to his beloved loved ones. He is more American than Captain America! I find it funny that he keeps jumping round any questions and when he gets into a pickle - he refers to his standard answers."lets wait and see" or "lets agree to differ".
Nato and the USA will and can never be trusted. I want and i simply expect a strong response from Pakistan. Cheng - you have certainly shown us something today and i am grateful for it - and that is how one should NOT be when it comes to having positivity towards the nation of your forefathers

Shah see ziada shah ke wafadar loog.. Anyway, I hope Pakistan is going to take some serious steps this time. No way lives of 28 soldiers are going to be compromised.

 

[888jamie888]

they need an escape goat for their monumental failure in Afghanistan.thats why

What??? The US has failed in Afghanistan, therefore in order to shift the blame they attack Pakistan? That makes no sense.

 

[pakdefender]

Ikram Sehgal (defense analyst) giving his views.
Al Jazeera Report

Ikram Sehgal put it well , closing down supply routes and kicking them out of Shamis airbase is not enough , equal amout of thier blood has to spilled to avenge the loss of life on our side.

 

[lem34]

Nato braces for reprisals after deadly air strike on Pakistan border post

Concerns the ISI intelligence agency could use its suspected influence over insurgent groups to launch reprisal attacks


Julian Borger in Kabul and Saeed Shah in Karachi
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 27 November 2011 20.52 GMT
Article history



Nato forces in Afghanistan were braced on Sunday for possible reprisals from Pakistani-backed insurgents following the coalition air strike along the border that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.
Senior officers from the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), were scrambling to resume contacts with their Pakistani counterparts in the hopes of setting up a joint investigation into the incident.

But Pakistani officers severed communications and Islamabad cut Isaf's two supply routes running through Pakistan.

It also gave the US two weeks to vacate the Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, which has been used to launch American drone aircraft.

One Isaf source voiced concern that the Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, could go much further and use its suspected influence over insurgent groups in the tribal areas along the Afghan border to launch reprisal attacks on Nato. "This will come back at us, and at a time and a place of their [the ISI's] choosing," the source predicted. In September the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, said the ISI was using insurgent groups such as the Haqqani network to wage a "proxy war" in Afghanistan.

The incident, and the subsequent breakdown in relations with Pakistan, is a particular blow to the Isaf commander, US general John Allen, who sees the insurgent sanctuaries in Pakistan as one of the keys to the Afghan conflict and who had been in Pakistan the day before the border incident for talks with the Pakistani army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, to discuss border co-operation.

In an interview in Kabul on Sunday, Allen refused to discuss details of the incident, saying it was under investigation. But he said: "We don't know where all of this will end up with Pakistan. We have been good friends with them for a long, long time, and this is a tragedy."

Isaf officers say the strike on Pakistani border positions took place when a joint force of Afghan and Isaf special forces carrying out a counterinsurgency operation in southern Kunar province came under fire and called in "close air support" from Nato aircraft. The air strikes hit two Pakistani border posts in the Mohmand tribal area on Saturday.

Pakistan's military refused to accept that its checkposts had been hit by accident, insisting that Isaf knew the location of the posts, on a mountaintop at Salala, next to the Afghan border.
Major General Athar Abbas, chief spokesman for the Pakistan military, told the Guardian on Sunday that he did not believe Isaf or Afghan forces had received fire from the Pakistani side. "I cannot rule out the possibility that this was a deliberate attack by Isaf," said Abbas. "If Isaf was receiving fire, then they must tell us what their losses were."

Pakistani officials said the posts hit are 300 metres into Pakistani territory, but Isaf officers say the border in that area is disputed.

Abbas said, however, that the firing lasted for over an hour, while Isaf made "no attempt" to contact the Pakistani side using an established border co-ordination system to report that they had come under fire. He said that the map references of the posts were previously passed to Isaf.

"This was a totally unprovoked attack. There are no safe havens or hideouts left there [for militants] in Mohmand," he said.

"This was a visible, well-made post, on top of ridges, made of concrete. Militants don't operate from mountaintops, from concrete structures."


Well well get ready for x americans killed in america meant in afghanistan

 

[fd24]

What??? The US has failed in Afghanistan, therefore in order to shift the blame they attack Pakistan? That makes no sense.

What certainly is not the case is your knowledge and comprehension is shining through like a beacon. You simply lack the knowledge of the history and political insight of the events that have occurred. I strongly recommend you absorbing some of the posts earlier in the thread to perhaps get a feel of what is going on - rather than posting one line dross posts. There are potentially half a dozen potential reasons why they attacked. I frankly dont care. The only thing i care about is these scumbag low life animals entered my fatherland and killed pakistani soldiers whilst they slept.
We are a nation that will not forget and will not tolerate this sort of hostility. They have been very quiet in the last 24 hours. The silence is perhaps speaking very loudly and is voicing the guilt of what has happened. I dont normally agree with violent actions - however an eye for an eye.
Last thing is some scum bag low life animals entered your nation and carried out atrocity of this nature - would you be asking and saying childish thicko statements like "it makes no sense?" I think not.

 

[unicorn]

How much venom currently Western media most notably the british and american are spewing against Pakistan.B@stards

Nato forces in Afghanistan were braced on Sunday for possible reprisals from Pakistani-backed insurgents following the coalition air strike along the border that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.[1]

One Isaf source voiced concern that the Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, could go much further and use its suspected influence over insurgent groups in the tribal areas along the Afghan border to launch reprisal attacks on Nato. "This will come back at us, and at a time and a place of their [the ISI's] choosing," the source predicted[1]

Much of the fighting in Afghanistan is conducted by guerrillas based a short distance inside Pakistan. Nato forces are not allowed to cross the border and militants sometimes fire artillery and rockets across the line from locations close to Pakistani army posts[2]

[1]Nato braces for reprisals after deadly air strike on Pakistan border post | World news | The Guardian

[2]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/26/nato-air-attack-pakistan-soldiers?newsfeed=true

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Nato braces for reprisals after deadly air strike on Pakistan border post

Concerns the ISI intelligence agency could use its suspected influence over insurgent groups to launch reprisal attacks


Julian Borger in Kabul and Saeed Shah in Karachi
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 27 November 2011 20.52 GMT
Article history



Nato forces in Afghanistan were braced on Sunday for possible reprisals from Pakistani-backed insurgents following the coalition air strike along the border that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.
Senior officers from the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), were scrambling to resume contacts with their Pakistani counterparts in the hopes of setting up a joint investigation into the incident.

But Pakistani officers severed communications and Islamabad cut Isaf's two supply routes running through Pakistan.

It also gave the US two weeks to vacate the Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, which has been used to launch American drone aircraft.

One Isaf source voiced concern that the Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, could go much further and use its suspected influence over insurgent groups in the tribal areas along the Afghan border to launch reprisal attacks on Nato. "This will come back at us, and at a time and a place of their [the ISI's] choosing," the source predicted. In September the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, said the ISI was using insurgent groups such as the Haqqani network to wage a "proxy war" in Afghanistan.

The incident, and the subsequent breakdown in relations with Pakistan, is a particular blow to the Isaf commander, US general John Allen, who sees the insurgent sanctuaries in Pakistan as one of the keys to the Afghan conflict and who had been in Pakistan the day before the border incident for talks with the Pakistani army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, to discuss border co-operation.

In an interview in Kabul on Sunday, Allen refused to discuss details of the incident, saying it was under investigation. But he said: "We don't know where all of this will end up with Pakistan. We have been good friends with them for a long, long time, and this is a tragedy."

Isaf officers say the strike on Pakistani border positions took place when a joint force of Afghan and Isaf special forces carrying out a counterinsurgency operation in southern Kunar province came under fire and called in "close air support" from Nato aircraft. The air strikes hit two Pakistani border posts in the Mohmand tribal area on Saturday.

Pakistan's military refused to accept that its checkposts had been hit by accident, insisting that Isaf knew the location of the posts, on a mountaintop at Salala, next to the Afghan border.
Major General Athar Abbas, chief spokesman for the Pakistan military, told the Guardian on Sunday that he did not believe Isaf or Afghan forces had received fire from the Pakistani side. "I cannot rule out the possibility that this was a deliberate attack by Isaf," said Abbas. "If Isaf was receiving fire, then they must tell us what their losses were."

Pakistani officials said the posts hit are 300 metres into Pakistani territory, but Isaf officers say the border in that area is disputed.

Abbas said, however, that the firing lasted for over an hour, while Isaf made "no attempt" to contact the Pakistani side using an established border co-ordination system to report that they had come under fire. He said that the map references of the posts were previously passed to Isaf.

"This was a totally unprovoked attack. There are no safe havens or hideouts left there [for militants] in Mohmand," he said.

"This was a visible, well-made post, on top of ridges, made of concrete. Militants don't operate from mountaintops, from concrete structures."


Well well get ready for x americans killed in america

Ameen... GOD BLESS ISI!

 

[SMC]

What??? The US has failed in Afghanistan, therefore in order to shift the blame they attack Pakistan? That makes no sense.

It makes complete sense. They need to show something to their people. Why they failed, who was responsible for their failure. Pakistan is rather obvious choice for them.

 

[Guest01]

The Afghans and NATO are idiots then for peddling this line - the WSJ article I posted earlier that provided some detailed quotes regarding the allegations of fire from the Pakistani post makes pretty clear that the Afghan troops were 'assuming' that the fire they were receiving was from the two posts. You cannot rationally argue that in complete darkness, in the middle of a military operation in mountainous terrain, that the troops allegedly under fire were able to very specifically pinpoint the location of the fire they were receiving as the two Pakistani border posts - certainly not from '2.5KM away' (if the location of the border post is correct).

Secondly, since Pakistan has provided the location of all its posts to ISAF and the ANA, one would have at the least expected ISAF to have checked whether or not they would be targeting a Pakistani position, and if so, first communicating with Pakistani authorities to address the issue of any alleged firing from the post.

There simple is no justification for NATO's actions here - they were either 'completely incompetent or completely complicit'.

I think that we are working with different sets of premise here. In no way, I am trying to imply that this was an error of omission. All logic points that this was deliberate. What is left is the question why. And to that I say that it would have been indeed a case there PA was actually covering for the Taliban and NATO just "erroneously" did not pull any stops on this one.

 

[Guest01]

Nato braces for reprisals after deadly air strike on Pakistan border post

Concerns the ISI intelligence agency could use its suspected influence over insurgent groups to launch reprisal attacks


Julian Borger in Kabul and Saeed Shah in Karachi
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 27 November 2011 20.52 GMT
Article history



Nato forces in Afghanistan were braced on Sunday for possible reprisals from Pakistani-backed insurgents following the coalition air strike along the border that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.
Senior officers from the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf), were scrambling to resume contacts with their Pakistani counterparts in the hopes of setting up a joint investigation into the incident.

But Pakistani officers severed communications and Islamabad cut Isaf's two supply routes running through Pakistan.

It also gave the US two weeks to vacate the Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, which has been used to launch American drone aircraft.

One Isaf source voiced concern that the Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, could go much further and use its suspected influence over insurgent groups in the tribal areas along the Afghan border to launch reprisal attacks on Nato. "This will come back at us, and at a time and a place of their [the ISI's] choosing," the source predicted. In September the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, said the ISI was using insurgent groups such as the Haqqani network to wage a "proxy war" in Afghanistan.

The incident, and the subsequent breakdown in relations with Pakistan, is a particular blow to the Isaf commander, US general John Allen, who sees the insurgent sanctuaries in Pakistan as one of the keys to the Afghan conflict and who had been in Pakistan the day before the border incident for talks with the Pakistani army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, to discuss border co-operation.

In an interview in Kabul on Sunday, Allen refused to discuss details of the incident, saying it was under investigation. But he said: "We don't know where all of this will end up with Pakistan. We have been good friends with them for a long, long time, and this is a tragedy."

Isaf officers say the strike on Pakistani border positions took place when a joint force of Afghan and Isaf special forces carrying out a counterinsurgency operation in southern Kunar province came under fire and called in "close air support" from Nato aircraft. The air strikes hit two Pakistani border posts in the Mohmand tribal area on Saturday.

Pakistan's military refused to accept that its checkposts had been hit by accident, insisting that Isaf knew the location of the posts, on a mountaintop at Salala, next to the Afghan border.
Major General Athar Abbas, chief spokesman for the Pakistan military, told the Guardian on Sunday that he did not believe Isaf or Afghan forces had received fire from the Pakistani side. "I cannot rule out the possibility that this was a deliberate attack by Isaf," said Abbas. "If Isaf was receiving fire, then they must tell us what their losses were."

Pakistani officials said the posts hit are 300 metres into Pakistani territory, but Isaf officers say the border in that area is disputed.

Abbas said, however, that the firing lasted for over an hour, while Isaf made "no attempt" to contact the Pakistani side using an established border co-ordination system to report that they had come under fire. He said that the map references of the posts were previously passed to Isaf.

"This was a totally unprovoked attack. There are no safe havens or hideouts left there [for militants] in Mohmand," he said.

"This was a visible, well-made post, on top of ridges, made of concrete. Militants don't operate from mountaintops, from concrete structures."


Well well get ready for x americans killed in america

So basically NATO are painting the target in advance here. For those who are hoping for this to come true, also give a thought to the aftermath of it. ISI being marked in anticipation of attacks on NATO troops is really not that good a thing that might be feeling at the moment. It will come with baggage.

 

[Emmie]

Wasn't this a massacre??