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America youre finished, youre now engaged in 3 Fronts. Not 2 like Nazi Germany but 3!!!

If I use the word "chutzpah", will I become a Zionist and have the right of return to Israel? :cheesy:

How about if I eat a bagel? Do you want one too?


Zionists are poising the bagels, remember? We have to stay away from those things As for "chutzpah" From what I understand, if you say it three times in a row, and than eat some Matzah, you're officially in the club.
 
its just a matter of time until you go bankrupt

-in Middle east Iraq is facing civil war and if you dont intervene Iran will do. It will probably react into a civil war that will drive oil prices to extreme levels and damage US and EU economies and most importantly it can spread into the middle east and probably result into a hot war between iran and saudi arabia. Again even more higehr oil price.


-In Ukraine Russia will use this opportunity with high oil prices and your involvement in middle east to invade ukraine as you will be stuck in the middle east again. If you choose ukraine over middle east you will lose out like mention above. Note that europeans will use ukraine case as reason not get involvement and help you in any way with the other problems, not now and neither in the future.
Russian gas which will also be cut on Monday if the junta doesnt agree on the price will increase energy prices too for europe.


-Your pivot to asia becomes more and more a pipe dream, china will rise unhindered and can act more comfortable in its foreign policy with its neighbors. So your military built up in this region is stuck and resources have to go west again.


And i only mentioned short term its even more expensive by looking long term. Americas deployment of troops in eastern europe is just one example you have to waste money, what will be the reaction to the middle east? Will Asian troops be enough?
Obviously america can try to spent huge money to all 3 of them but will sooner or later go bankrupt. But if america refuses to spend money conflicts have to be settled by regional players which will undermine americas influence anyways

My friends, I give you the "Arc of Instability."

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No one wins, but comparatively speaking, Russia should be the most concerned about developments in Ukraine, the Middle East, and Asia. China's declared policy is non-interventionism, but how long can that last when chaos sits at its doorstep?
 
China's declared policy is non-interventionism, but how long can that last when chaos sits at its doorstep?

Chaos has been raging on the other side of our Afghanistan border for over a decade now.

But our policy of non-interventionism is not based on the level of chaos in or neighborhood, it's based on our realistic capabilities (or lack thereof), and the fact that we are still a developing country.

Let the developed countries choose interventionism if that is their policy. We can participate in post-war reconstruction, but involvement in any active war is against our policy of China's peaceful rise.
 
Chaos has been raging on the other side of our Afghanistan border for over a decade now.

But our policy of non-interventionism is not based on the level of chaos in or neighborhood, it's based on our realistic capabilities (or lack thereof), and the fact that we are still a developing country.

Let the developed countries choose interventionism if that is their policy. We can participate in post-war reconstruction, but involvement in any active war is against our policy of China's peaceful rise.

What happens when China's commodity trade in Africa and the Middle East is disrupted?
 
-in Middle east Iraq is facing civil war and if you dont intervene Iran will do. It will probably react into a civil war that will drive oil prices to extreme levels and damage US and EU economies and most importantly it can spread into the middle east and probably result into a hot war between iran and saudi arabia. Again even more higehr oil price.

Yes. You guys destroy each other so the price of oil could hike and we could sell more oil. Wow. With allies like you who needs enemies! :rolleyes::lol:
 
What happens when China's commodity trade in Africa and the Middle East is disrupted?

We don't have a blue water navy yet. So the military option is out.

Diplomatic options? Economic options? Possibly.

But most likely, we will simply have to find another seller to make up for the shortfall. Oil/gas is relatively easier since we already have several pipelines to Central Asia and Russia, with more being built.

As for African mineral resources, that will be harder but Latin America and Australia can make up for the shortfall.

A price spike in the short-term will be unavoidable, which could lead to increased inflation in China, unless the government subsidizes it. We will have to take a blow to our economy, but it can be somewhat mitigated via the above factors.
 
Yes. You guys destroy each other so the price of oil could hike and we could sell more oil. Wow. With allies like you who needs enemies! :rolleyes::lol:

The trap ISIS is very well prepared for IRAN....
Obviously your country will be next target for destruction if you are blinded.
 
Hi,

China just found out that it pitifully ill equipped to take on japan & associates. For your's & our sake i hope things cool down in the so china seas. Brazil is bogged down by its own weight & russia ain't gonna confront the u s.

China really needs another 10 years to consolidate its military. as for the u s---the car sales is booming---housing sales is on the up---malls & restaurants are full of shoppers---you really have to see to believe.

China definitely needs a decade or two to have substantial buildup. But the rate at which they are going is phenomenal.

About your last Paragraph, sir, don't be blinded by the retail sales. They were record high before 2008 as well. Buying on credit has spoiled many in the capitalist world. Savings is what makes an economy strong, not retail sales. It is just about time when another bubble will burst.
 
All a US economic collapse would do is cause a reset in military obligations and posturing. We would be isolationist by default for a few years, while the economy re-built. There would be a power vacuum in some regions, and the security situation in Europe and SE Asia would be interesting, to say the least.

Dreams of the US disappearing or being occupied have been conjured by many a foe, only resulting in extreme disappointment.

Even if the standing military and nuclear forces vanished, the American public is heavily armed, and is full of generations of experienced warriors.
A decisive defeat in an expeditionary war (e.g. in South China Sea) would mean the end of dollar hegemony. It would be the great depression, Japan after Plaza accord and 1997 Asian financial crisis all rolled into one. I would be very surprised if some states like Texas do not try to secede. There will be widespread armed rebellion against the federal government. Look at Bundy Ranch. Either Washington DC lets them go or another civil war will begin. The US army would either be an arbiter of political power like Thailand and Pakistan or else the US army would split just like the Western and Eastern Ukrainian army. A heavily armed civilian population means when the country blows there will be bloody rampages everywhere. If anybody is going to occupy America after generations of armed chaos, it would be Latin America.
 
What happens when China's commodity trade in Africa and the Middle East is disrupted?

It depends on when and who? US maybe the only country that has the means to do this to China. It would hurt many like a double edged sword. En...how long do you believe that US can hold this capability? A hundred more years, as Obama said at the West point?
 

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