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Ambitious plan chalked out to merge FATA with Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa

More bureaucrats? If not all politicians are corrupt so aren't all bureaucrats are corrupt. BUT, with my personal opnion they are more corrupt than politicians.
At the end we will have more corrupt people in Pakistan. Ugh'
we will also have more jobs from central govt or central services
corruption is everywhere so you wont let people enjoy better opportunities for this
better distribution, better representation and again more jobs
we gonna sacrifice all this just for a few corupts
well forget it gud nite
 
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it also means more govt jobs


it also means more jobs in bureaucracy
it also means better approach to govt from a local
it also means better population distributaion
better resouce distribution
What are those existing gov. contributing really? or the beurecasy? how will it effect population distribution? are the four units satisfied with resource distribution and if not how will 8 units be?
The point is quite simple, our political system is not mature enough to handle such divisions. Rather than resulting in better resource distribution and administration, that step will facilitate corruption by adding that much more mouths to feed in our bureaucracy. More hefty expenditures, the nation barely bears the burden of four CM's and there expenses, what if that is increased to 8? The problem as i pointed is that our political system and politicians are not mature and sincere enough. We wont start getting people who will devote there energy to nation building. More provinces means better administration ONLY if the people involved in running are interested in administration!
Similarly, the nation is also not sensible and mature enough. There already are disagreements between Punjabis and Saraiki speaking, Pathans and Hazarwal! Divide them into provinces and they disagreement and accusations will increase. Now we have Sindh crying that Punjab steals water, then we will have Saraiki province as well! At least ensure proper resource distribution among the 4/5 units we currently have. If we cannot divide our resources among 5 brothers equally and justifiably, how do we expect to do so among 8 brothers?

Again, personally speaking, the best approach will be:
  1. Make FATA part of KPK
  2. Ensure better distribution of rights and resources among the existing 4/5 administrative provinces.
  3. Improve the situation in current setup and once that is done and the system is mature enough, only then we can put more burden of increased administrative units on this system for better administration
For now, any more division will just bring more harm than good.
 
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Make FATA part of KPK
with all due respect
you are more than right about the flaws in state mechanism
but you see FATA right now is an autonomous region
merging FATA into KPK is not federation's mandate
tribesmen must decide for it and they have decided to make another province
now if we merge it anyways you know the troubles arising in Afghanistan and achakzai type traitors
that is why the FATA reforms have been halted
you might know about Qabayal bachao tehreek by local tribesmen some time ago
they want a new and seperate province
if you see its strategic significance it will also curb Pasthunistan nationalism before even rising
but yes economically best is to merge it with KPK but there will be spectacle for it
we can not afford spectacles right now
 
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with all due respect
you are more than right about the flaws in state mechanism
but you see FATA right now is an autonomous region
merging FATA into KPK is not federation's mandate
tribesmen must decide for it and they have decided to make another province
now if we merge it anyways you know the troubles arising in Afghanistan and achakzai type traitors
that is why the FATA reforms have been halted
you might know about Qabayal bachao tehreek by local tribesmen some time ago
they want a new and seperate province
if you see its strategic significance it will also curb Pasthunistan nationalism before even rising
but yes economically best is to merge it with KPK but there will be spectacle for it
we can not afford spectacles right now

To understand that, I will try to make it more simple that how tribes works.

You know that there are many tribes in FATA and mostly follows the Jirga system but to the some extent still there is vacuum and even sometimes we hear about tribes attacking each other. The problem arises when the A is not agree with C and D is opposing the B in some cases whether based upon property etc conflicts. So for the same reason, sometimes C & D gangs up to oppose A & B which results in local killings and outlaws. On the same equation, if in current situation it is granted with a room to separately govern themselves, vacuum would still persist with all those tribal opposition things and will be back to old scenario being outlaw. So to address the same situation, firstly it has to be administered by already settled province having a elected government. By this step, the tribesman will be learning to follow the law of the state and obey. In-case of separate province, these tribes (as quoted in example above as A,B,C & D) will again come facing each other with their own difference and will gang up against each other. While on other hand, when there will be a center to complain (the provincial government of KPK) these conflicts will minimize to none.

As soon as they have learned and understands the democratic values and election chemistry to vote, there might be a chance to let them lead their issues separately but such separations just based upon ethnic differences are causing more harm to the country in whole. As @Arsalan quoted, the Saraiki, Punjabi or Hazarewal based separate provinces are like cancer that will initially wouldn't be diagnosed. I personally pity, while looking at the current divergent created by these so called political parties, dividing the people on ethnic basis yet depriving the existing provinces. Such divide based upon ethnic basis should be stopped first and we have to pay more attention to an eligible, competent and educated administration system. As soon as we have such administration, that can lead the people without any personal, ethnic, ego or self luxury goals then units are not more headache for us.

Unfortunately, we are lacking the such competent and educated administration breed here. Let the FATA attend the school of a provincial system first and learn then there will be chances that how they can lead if there is a separate province for them. Right now, what they are going to lead and on what basis, I mean, they have no idea w.r.t modern industrialization, agriculture, administration, government ruling and production etc but are intact to more the local tribal system that too without any sources to bear their own expenses which would ultimately burden the center with more expenditure. As soon as they are connected to KPK, the budget of KPK need to be raised and grants should be done timely so the reform would work under the supervision of a running provincial system.
 
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with all due respect
you are more than right about the flaws in state mechanism
but you see FATA right now is an autonomous region
merging FATA into KPK is not federation's mandate
tribesmen must decide for it and they have decided to make another province
now if we merge it anyways you know the troubles arising in Afghanistan and achakzai type traitors
that is why the FATA reforms have been halted
you might know about Qabayal bachao tehreek by local tribesmen some time ago
they want a new and seperate province
if you see its strategic significance it will also curb Pasthunistan nationalism before even rising
but yes economically best is to merge it with KPK but there will be spectacle for it
we can not afford spectacles right now
oh no no.,,,, surely i will keep the will of the people of that area as first priority. Everything else follows. My point was not "how to merge FATA" but how making more provinces is not for us. Merging FATA with KPK makes sense and will be a wise move however should only be made with consensuses of the local population.
 
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Finally national integration in main stream politics..but also a big thorn in India @ss!
 
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To understand that, I will try to make it more simple that how tribes works.

You know that there are many tribes in FATA and mostly follows the Jirga system but to the some extent still there is vacuum and even sometimes we hear about tribes attacking each other. The problem arises when the A is not agree with C and D is opposing the B in some cases whether based upon property etc conflicts. So for the same reason, sometimes C & D gangs up to oppose A & B which results in local killings and outlaws. On the same equation, if in current situation it is granted with a room to separately govern themselves, vacuum would still persist with all those tribal opposition things and will be back to old scenario being outlaw. So to address the same situation, firstly it has to be administered by already settled province having a elected government. By this step, the tribesman will be learning to follow the law of the state and obey. In-case of separate province, these tribes (as quoted in example above as A,B,C & D) will again come facing each other with their own difference and will gang up against each other. While on other hand, when there will be a center to complain (the provincial government of KPK) these conflicts will minimize to none.

As soon as they have learned and understands the democratic values and election chemistry to vote, there might be a chance to let them lead their issues separately but such separations just based upon ethnic differences are causing more harm to the country in whole. As @Arsalan quoted, the Saraiki, Punjabi or Hazarewal based separate provinces are like cancer that will initially wouldn't be diagnosed. I personally pity, while looking at the current divergent created by these so called political parties, dividing the people on ethnic basis yet depriving the existing provinces. Such divide based upon ethnic basis should be stopped first and we have to pay more attention to an eligible, competent and educated administration system. As soon as we have such administration, that can lead the people without any personal, ethnic, ego or self luxury goals then units are not more headache for us.

Unfortunately, we are lacking the such competent and educated administration breed here. Let the FATA attend the school of a provincial system first and learn then there will be chances that how they can lead if there is a separate province for them. Right now, what they are going to lead and on what basis, I mean, they have no idea w.r.t modern industrialization, agriculture, administration, government ruling and production etc but are intact to more the local tribal system that too without any sources to bear their own expenses which would ultimately burden the center with more expenditure. As soon as they are connected to KPK, the budget of KPK need to be raised and grants should be done timely so the reform would work under the supervision of a running provincial system.
thanks for elaborating my father is a pathan and I do already understand their infightings but thanx for elaborating what can happen when a seperate province is made
you see as i quoted above they already have gathered up to demand a seperate province
if you remember the Qabayal Bachao Tehreek
enforcing them to KPK can further make up Achakzai's treacherous case
that is why FATA reforms have been delayed or else it would have been merged by now
in the end all steps must be taken carefully and before resuming reforms traitors must be cleansed

Merging FATA with KPK makes sense
so does arresting Achakzai
hanging farooq sattar
and shooting meera point blank
but the thing is nothing makes sense in those regions
there is a reason they are still an autonomy
but i trust our top brass on this they have halted the reforms and are focusing on flushing traitors out first
then developing those areas wont be a problem
 
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so does arresting Achakzai
hanging farooq sattar
and shooting meera point blank

but the thing is nothing makes sense in those regions
there is a reason they are still an autonomy
but i trust our top brass on this they have halted the reforms and are focusing on flushing traitors out first
then developing those areas wont be a problem
Heinnn....
THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU? o_O
What are you saying bro?

As for FATA, you didn't even bothered to quote the part of my post that replied to your this question :)
Perhaps you want to read that again and this time focus on that "however" immediately after the words you quoted and replied to! At least read the whole post dear!
 
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If we cannot divide our resources among 5 brothers equally and justifiably, how do we expect to do so among 8 brothers?

Resources are for national utilization not socialist style division...
 
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At least read the whole post dear
i have read it
with all due respect i only highlight the words i think needs to be answered
have read your answer
all i am saying is there are a lot of things which should be done
merging FATA with KPK is more than justified but we can not do it as it will raise a spectacle
 
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i have read it
with all due respect i only highlight the words i think needs to be answered
have read your answer
all i am saying is there are a lot of things which should be done
merging FATA with KPK is more than justified but we can not do it as it will raise a spectacle
Dear the words you though required an answer are NOT a statement. Understand when i say that all this is WITH the agreement of the locals. If so than there is no point of disagreement. :)
 
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Dear the words you though required an answer are NOT a statement. Understand when i say that all this is WITH the agreement of the locals. If so than there is no point of disagreement.
this is going towards a clash so i will end the conversation with saying
everything on its time
by the way the way your opinion is more than okay
:tup:
 
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Resources are for national utilization not socialist style division...
Agreed!
So in these words, if we cannot use/manage sensible and equal utilization of resources in 4 sections what makes one think that we will be able to do so in 8?

NEED THE SYSTEM TO GET MATURE FIRST, need to get to a level where are concerned authorities will be a lil bit CONCERNED about any mismanagement and then we may talk about dividing into smaller segments for better administration.

this is going towards a clash so i will end the conversation with saying
everything on its time
by the way the way your opinion is more than okay
:tup:
Oh no noo,,
Sorry if you felt that way.

Really appreciate you input and respect your views. Just a little suggestion is it is never right to pick a part of a comment and reply on that or to make a decision based on that. Reading the whole thing in its context is what makes you understand what is being said.

Again. appreciate your views. No hard feelings and no clash here. :)

Regards!
 
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never right to pick a part of a comment and reply on that or to make a decision based on that
i will again say i do read the post but only highlight the the lines need to be addressed
thnx

NEED THE SYSTEM TO GET MATURE FIRST
exactly my opinion
everything on time



you see thats how i do it
only quoting lines that needs to taken into account so the reader can understand which part of their post is being addressed
hope u understand
 
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i will again say i do read the post but only highlight the the lines need to be addressed
thnx


exactly my opinion
everything on time



you see thats how i do it
only quoting lines that needs to taken into account so the reader can understand which part of their post is being addressed
hope u understand
Lolz!
Words mean nothing or something totally different when quoted and replied to without context.

"FATA must be joined with KPK makes sense" is one thing, it do raises some points like why it was an autonomous body for so long and what have changed now that will allow it to be merged with KPK. "FATA must be joined with KPK makes sense HOWEVER only with consensus of local population" answers those doubts.

Anyway, to each his own i guess. All i trying to do is tell you something that i feel can be improved on.
 
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