Amazing footages of the Torkham Skirmish

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Looking at this im not at all shocked pak army have suffered heavy casualties in waziristan look at the god damn commanding officer hes asking to be hit by sniper fire. The regulars are also asking to be killed erratic unorganised small arms fire why fire bullets just to make noise.



I heard most of the SSG casualties came from insidory grenades they using.

Well discipline usually begins to break down after constant fighting and active combat exposure; these soldiers were mostly involved in Operation Zarb e Azb.

 

[The Sandman]

Guys; an unseen clip.

After watching this video i am actually surprised why they're firing like those guys in Iraq, Syria etc aren't these well trained soldiers so why so much carelessness? and why they are not using G3's?

 

[thrilainmanila]

Well discipline usually begins to break down after constant fighting and active combat exposure; these soldiers were mostly involved in Operation Zarb e Azb.

Poor disciple most professional soldiers dont fire aimlessly they may as well have been serving as tea boys in zarb_e azb. The video is dissapointing.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Poor disciple most professional soldiers dont fire aimlessly they may as well have been serving as tea boys in zarb_e azb. The video is dissapointing.

This one is too. Just look at 5:56 for example.

It's easy to talk about discipline and aiming on the Computer but in the heat of battle you have too many things on your mind and MANY soldiers from different countries do what they feel is necessary at the time. It's not like they lost the post any way lol.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Looking at this im not at all shocked pak army have suffered heavy casualties in waziristan look at the god damn commanding officer hes asking to be hit by sniper fire. The regulars are also asking to be killed erratic unorganised small arms fire why fire bullets just to make noise.



I heard most of the SSG casualties came from insidory grenades they using.

When the army was going into Waziristan for the first time they were not accustomed to fighting in that sort of method and terrain, which the Taliban new quite well. Second these were heavily guarded Strongholds and are by no means a walk in the park.

In north Waziristan things went a lot smoother. The only troubles were in Tirah and Shawal valleys. Places that could not be affected by air strikes. That being said the ground forces had to be at their utmost best along with trying to capture high hilltops which is by no means an easy task. In fact incredibly difficult. Furthermore, the army had to deal with hidden tunnels that were utilised as escape routes, hiding places, living areas etc. they created these tunnels in such a way that air strikes could not destroy them. None think about how difficult it would be if the militants randomly disappeared in a firefight and appeared from a spot for an ambush with IEDs secretly hidden. When snow melted the soil became slushy which proved difficult for vehicles to move. Again the Taliban were more familiar with the terrain.

This is unlike anything the Americans and NATO had to deal with in Afghanistan. With all the odds against Pak army they have still proven to be successful in their operations.

 

[thrilainmanila]

This one is too. Just look at 5:56 for example.

It's easy to talk about discipline and aiming on the Computer but in the heat of battle you have too many things on your mind and MANY soldiers from different countries do what they feel is necessary at the time. It's not like they lost the post any way lol.

This guy wasnt firing aimlessly he was directing his fire according to what his team mates were telling.him. the pak guys looked like complete amateures they were sticking aks out not looking at the target and the CO was on his walkie talkie with his head exposed hes lucky there was no snipers

When the army was going into Waziristan for the first time they were not accustomed to fighting in that sort of method and terrain, which the Taliban new quite well. Second these were heavily guarded Strongholds and are by no means a walk in the park.

In north Waziristan things went a lot smoother. The only troubles were in Tirah and Shawal valleys. Places that could not be affected by air strikes. That being said the ground forces had to be at their utmost best along with trying to capture high hilltops which is by no means an easy task. Again the Taliban were more familiar with the terrain.

With all the odds against Pak army they have still proven to be successful in their operations.

Odds were not stacked against them remind me was it the ttp who had artillery pieces. Helos. UAVs. Tanks. Cobras and F16. The ttp may have known the geography but dont bullshit yourself and act like it was a major advantage when it was pak army who held all the cards

 

[WaLeEdK2]

This guy wasnt firing aimlessly he was directing his fire according to what his team mates were telling.him. the pak guys looked like complete anmateures they were sticking aks out not looking at

Odds were not stacked against them remind me was it the ttp who had artillery pieces. Helos. UAVs. Tanks. Cobras and F16. The ttp may have known the geography but dont bullshit yourself and act like it was a major advantage when it was pak army who held all the cards

Like I said air power does not guarantee victory in those areas. If this was the case Afghanistan should have been taken EASY by the NATO an the US. But they failed MISERABLY while Pakistan has cleared Strongholds. And did you not look at 5:56? The guy with the rifle had his face staring at the wall gun held up and shot. If that isn't aimless firing I don't know what is.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

After watching this video i am actually surprised why they're firing like those guys in Iraq, Syria etc aren't these well trained soldiers so why so much carelessness? and why they are not using G3's?

not using G3 is fine but yes
they remind me of those goons in middle east

yes
NOT AS Bad as those guys in middle eat but there were some needless hints. one guy constantly presented his head while observing Afghan positions.

 

[thrilainmanila]

Like I said air power does not guarantee victory in those areas. If this was the case Afghanistan should have been taken EASY by the NATO an the US. But they failed MISERABLY while Pakistan has cleared Strongholds. And did you not look at 5:56? The guy with the rifle had his face staring at the wall gun held up and shot. If that isn't aimless firing I don't know what is.

Pak army have 200k soldiers fighting the ttp are there 200k terrorists? Max 10-20k the pak army have the numbers and the equipment you focus on speaking anout air stike but completely ignore artillery. Us drone strikes. Tanks. Helicopters. Special forces. Satellite images. So what are the disadvantages? The only one is. Is that the border is way too poros
The Uk held helmand province. The pak army seizes territory but when thry leave the terrorists come back again.

 

[OB909Alpha]

You can get humviees you can get men. But how NATO- INDIA- USA- will implant a heart of a lion into the cowards? People who couldn't save their women being raped, their children being abused and their brothers being killed, cannot fight with the brave personnel of our army. Time to kick them out of our country's premises.

 

[Windjammer]

Some more hot lead being poured into Afghanistan from another post.

 

[django]

Pak army have 200k soldiers fighting the ttp are there 200k terrorists? Max 10-20k the pak army have the numbers and the equipment you focus on speaking anout air stike but completely ignore artillery. Us drone strikes. Tanks. Helicopters. Special forces. Satellite images. So what are the disadvantages? The only one is. Is that the border is way too poros
The Uk held helmand province. The pak army seizes territory but when thry leave the terrorists come back again.

The brits were confined to their bases, they held no control in helmand and neither did the afghan puppets they were supposed to protect.

 

[alimobin memon]

Poor disciple most professional soldiers dont fire aimlessly they may as well have been serving as tea boys in zarb_e azb. The video is dissapointing.

Respected Sir, there is no such thing as professional soldiers only fire with aim. There are tactics which involve blind firing or least the aim less firing at the target area so that the enemy is CONFUSED OR PINNED DOWN so that other friendly soldiers from that team (platoon or section) flank them out since enemy is confused shooting at the soldier that is firing aimlessly.
Anyway this isn't video game where one soldier just moves on firing and aiming since they have fuel meter but in real life its HARDCORE Team death match one shot is enough to kill or cripple one soldier.
Now whether you agree with my saying or not it doesn't matter Pakistan army is one of the most professional forces in the whole world and it has been more successful in suppressing terrorism in Pakistan that whole NATO in Iraq or Afghanistan.

 

[TMA]

Respected Sir, there is no such thing as professional soldiers only fire with aim. There are tactics which involve blind firing or least the aim less firing at the target area so that the enemy is CONFUSED OR PINNED DOWN so that other friendly soldiers from that team (platoon or section) flank them out since enemy is confused shooting at the soldier that is firing aimlessly.
Anyway this isn't video game where one soldier just moves on firing and aiming since they have fuel meter but in real life its HARDCORE Team death match one shot is enough to kill or cripple one soldier.
Now whether you agree with my saying or not it doesn't matter Pakistan army is one of the most professional forces in the whole world and it has been more successful in suppressing terrorism in Pakistan that whole NATO in Iraq or Afghanistan.

NATO are in the business of promoting terrorism as part of regime change. They did not fail in Iraq neither in Afghanistan; although they have not fully succeded in Afghanistan.

 

[Psychic]

After watching this video i am actually surprised why they're firing like those guys in Iraq, Syria etc aren't these well trained soldiers so why so much carelessness? and why they are not using G3's?

In actual combat, the stance is not always like what one sees in movies or video games. What most people talking here about aimed shots is nothing but BS, talk to a real veteran and he will tell you that most of his kills are not like video game head shots but when he fires random bursts at suspected bushes and later finds a dead body there.

And snipers can't hit you when they are lying in some valley some 3000-4000 feet BELOW you and that too almost a kilometer away. The firing with Type-56 was unnecessary though.

I am not an army fanboy and have harshly criticized the army many times here, but credit must be given where it is due and no need to doubt their fighting capabilities as they proved those by successfully clearing tough areas like Shawal and Tirah.