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Alternate History: Turkey

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This is the real map for Turkey , the honest map

Containing Egypt
Contanining Saudia
Containing UAE
Containing Kuwait
Containing Mecca
Containing Tunisia
Containing Perhaps libya
Conatining Iraq
Containing parts of Iran
Contains Certain Areas of Europe
Containing Yamen
Containing Qatar

That was the realistic borders of the great Turkish land

Can one imagine the $$$ and Federal Reserve Turkey would have had between 50's and 2000's
Most if not all of them hated us so good riddance in this regard.
 
We don't need the greatest borderline of empire. Today's Turkey + I would like to have Crimea, Kerkuk, Mousul, Aegean islands and Cyprus ( whole ) = Monster Geopolitic Power

Under a democratic system ofcourse...

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Actually we could have those borders... :(
How, bro ?

Forget Crimea and Cyprus we couldn't get back the Aegean Islands....we had no navy at the end of the independence war... For Kerkuk and Mousul we had to fight the Brits at the end of independence war (as nation we had already got exhausted).
 
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This is the real map for Turkey , the honest map

Containing Egypt
Contanining Saudia
Containing UAE
Containing Kuwait
Containing Mecca
Containing Tunisia
Containing Perhaps libya
Conatining Iraq
Containing parts of Iran
Contains Certain Areas of Europe
Containing Yamen
Containing Qatar

That was the realistic borders of the great Turkish land

Can one imagine the $$$ and Federal Reserve Turkey would have had between 50's and 2000's


No it's not.You said that would have been Turkey if they would have been neutral in WW1.

Quick recap (with small mistakes to the dates,it's done by memory,correct me if i'm wrong.

Hungary,Croatia,Transilvania were lost for good in the 1650's-1700's.Crimeea,parts of Ukraine,Romania (current day Moldova) were lost during 1770's-1820's.Most of Greece was independent by the 1830's.Egypt,Northern Africa were lost between 1850's- early 1900's.Bosnia was lost in the 18th century.Most of the Caucasus was lost by 1878 starting from mid 18th century.

Romania,Serbia were autonoumous and not provinces by early 19th century and fully independent by 1878.Bulgaria was allready autonoumous and only nominally a vassal in 1878,fully independent in 1885.The last remnants of Turkish holdings in Europe (besides current day territory) were lost during the Balkan Wars by 1913.In fact ,if the Balkan allies wouldn't have turned on each other in the 2nd War following the crushing victory in the 1st War (Greece,Serbia,Montenegro,Bulgaria vs Ottoman Empire) Turkey wouldn't have had the territory it has today in Europe.
 
How, bro ?

Forget Crimea and Cyprus we couldn't get back the Aegean Islands....we had no navy at the end of the independence war... For Kerkuk and Mousul we had to fight the Brits at the end of independence war (as nation we had already got exhausted).

I kno I kno :( I mean only if we had smart rulers with vision and strategy for the last couple of centuries of the empire...
 
No it's not.You said that would have been Turkey if they would have been neutral in WW1.

Quick recap (with small mistakes to the dates,it's done by memory,correct me if i'm wrong.

Hungary,Croatia,Transilvania were lost for good in the 1650's-1700's.Crimeea,parts of Ukraine,Romania (current day Moldova) were lost during 1770's-1820's.Most of Greece was independent by the 1830's.Egypt,Northern Africa were lost between 1850's- early 1900's.Bosnia was lost in the 18th century.Most of the Caucasus was lost by 1878 starting from mid 18th century.

Romania,Serbia were autonoumous and not provinces by early 19th century and fully independent by 1878.Bulgaria was allready autonoumous and only nominally a vassal in 1878,fully independent in 1885.The last remnants of Turkish holdings in Europe (besides current day territory) were lost during the Balkan Wars by 1913.In fact ,if the Balkan allies wouldn't have turned on each other in the 2nd War following the crushing victory in the 1st War (Greece,Serbia,Montenegro,Bulgaria vs Ottoman Empire) Turkey wouldn't have had the territory it has today in Europe.

I have to recap on some dates but I'm sure a few are incorrect. But that doesn't matter anyway.
 
The other day I was sitting and discussing what would have been the impact in history had Turkish Empire
had remained as unit in 1920 till now? Imagine had they been neutral in historic sense.


1. One of the things post ban on collecting Navy Tax from merchant ships was Empire was seeking
financing. Imagine the impact , when oil was discovered in Turkish territories (Known as Gulf countries)
had history been different?

Trillions of Dollar worth of $$ , and The Turkish Empire would have been the single point of Oil and power
to whole planet

(Just 1 Generation difference between Fall of Empire and Discovery of Oil in Middle east)

2. Perhaps Palestine would have been under Turkish control and there would have been no Israel

3. There would be no Dictators in Egypt / Libya , the money generated from Tourism would have further
provided revenue for the Empire. No monarchy in Gulf

4. May be there would be Shinkensen like train running between Africa/ Middle east / Turkey

5. With the funding from Oil money Turkey , would have certainly been involved in Space Race
With budget greater then of USA/Europe combined

6. Egypt / Libya / Tunisia would have been great hubs for trade in Africa , giant Mega ports of trade
Since there would be no suez canal

7. Perhaps may be there would be a Bridge from Oman to Pakistan 4, lane bridge

8 . Iran and Turkish empire would have perhaps enjoyed healthy trade, and there would be no iran -iraq war


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9. UAE , major cities in Middle east would have pure Islamic architecture in buildings but on colossal scale.

10. There would be no Somali piracy as Somalia would have been absorbed into Empire to curb piracy

11. Pakistan would have may be joined the federation with Turkey in 1980 or may be in 1990

12. International Space Station perhaps would have Turkey as contributor

13. Turkey would have been representative on the Global Council with Veto powers
representing perhaps 15% of world population

14. Turkish Football league would be among the best in world combining talent from Turkey, Egypt, Tunisia , Libya, Gulf regions

15. May be Africa would have been more developed with roads, and resources
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In the past it was East Roman, then it became Ottoman, and now it will be something else, but sure it will be...
 
İslamiyet dünyaya yeniden hakim olacak geçmişte Osmanlılar ile bu olmuştu 2.ise bizden mi olur Araplar dan mi soru işareti. Ayrıca Mostradamus da bunu doğrulamisti diye hatırlıyorum ama emin değilim :)
 
İslamiyet dünyaya yeniden hakim olacak geçmişte Osmanlılar ile bu olmuştu 2.ise bizden mi olur Araplar dan mi soru işareti. Ayrıca Mostradamus da bunu doğrulamisti diye hatırlıyorum ama emin değilim :)
The ''predictions'' of Nostradamus are in fact very inaccurate, most of his ''predictions'' are vague written fantasy that you can interpret whatever you like in it, no different that your avarage ''falci''.
Its a vaste of time to be concerned with such things.
 
Just taking a sentences in a whole comment what about religional sources? Mate!...
 
Mehmet Akif'in bahsettiği üç beyinsiz hepimize ah vah çektiriyo şimdi. Ağababalarının 4 yılda koca Imparatorluğu parçalattıkları yetmiyormuş gibi günümüzdeki (üç) beyinsizden (biri) de N'olur 4 yıl görev verin diye yalvarıyo köpek gibi.
 

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