Altay Comparison to Competitors

[Kamil_baku]

Wow fire control system, omg i can't believe the Atlay has a FCS, tanks from the 1950s have had those, what else does the Altay have? Wheels?

I specially mentioned above that MODERN FCS... i would highly recommend you to invest on your eyes..

This is silly, with an unmanned turret the chances of survivability increases drastically. It's simple Atlay turret gets penetrated, the crew dies. T-14's turret gets penetrated the crew lives, i'm not sure why you can not grasp this idea. As for mobility the Altay is one of the heavier tanks today, i would not brag about mobility. The T-14's "hard kill" system is also the Afganit.

Tanks are designed to knock out opposite tanks.. basically, it doesnt matter where are your personel, they will be burned to kebab if they got hidden by other tanks..
second, if the tank get hit, it will be destroyed, so you not gonna change anything with those stucked personel..

with an unmanned turret the chances of survivability increases drastically

Now you explain me the reason why it increase DRASTICALLY..? if you want to have a professional dicussion, there you go!

 

[ptldM3]

I specially mentioned above that MODERN FCS... i would highly recommend you to invest on your eyes..

Firstly, i told you that if you want to troll the T-14, go in the Russian section and do it. As for FCS being modern, again what are you bragging about? Why even mention the Altay and a FCS? All modern tanks have new FCS's, so i'm not sure what you are trying to prove.

Tanks are designed to knock out opposite tanks.. basically, it doesnt matter where are your personel, they will be burned to kebab if they got hidden by other tanks..

That is not true, that is why there are ammo storage bustles. The T-14 takes that same concept but instead of separating the crew from just the ammunition, the T-14 designers decided to separate the crew from everything. Meaning that if the turret is blown off or if the hull is penetrated the crew still stays alive. Because they are sealed off, let me repeat that because you have a hard time understanding the value of an unmanned turret. The crew is sealed off, the crew is sealed off, did i make myself clear?

 

[Bismarck]

If you really want to compare both tanks (Altay, Armata), you should do this without any offense and be objectively, following criterians like this...

Specifications:

1. Speed
2. Range
3. RHD
4. Primary weapon (canon)
5. Munition
6. FCS specs
7. E/O systems
....

 

[Hexciter]

Firstly, i told you that if you want to troll the T-14, go in the Russian section and do it. As for FCS being modern, again what are you bragging about? Why even mention the Altay and a FCS? All modern tanks have new FCS's, so i'm not sure what you are trying to prove.







That is not true, that is why there are ammo storage bustles. The T-14 takes that same concept but instead of separating the crew from just the ammunition, the T-14 designers decided to separate the crew from everything. Meaning that if the turret is blown off or if the hull is penetrated the crew still stays alive. Because they are sealed off, let me repeat that because you have a hard time understanding the value of an unmanned turret. The crew is sealed off, the crew is sealed off, did i make myself clear?

You are just talking about positive side of unmanned turret
In your design have negative side also
First in any case of malfunction like a jammed ammo, tank is out of game in the war zone as your crew have to remove from their safe capsule
Second all situation awareness solely based on cameras as crew located in front safe cell. How they will see around in warzone in case of malfunction.

 

[TheGrim]

Why even compare the T-14 to the Altay. One breaks down infront of the world, the other doesn't. Checkmate.

 

[ptldM3]

You are just talking about positive side of unmanned turret
In your design have negative side also
First in any case of malfunction like a jammed ammo, tank is out of game in the war zone as your crew have to remove from their safe capsule

Stop quoting me hear and go to the armata thread in the Russian defence secion if you want to debate the T-14. I will debate you there but i will make a quick exception and address you. Russian tanks have been using autoloaders since the 1960s without problems, the K-2 also uses it so does the French Leclerc and the new Japanese Type 10 as well as all Chinese tanks. The only ones that keep mentioning autoloaders and reliability are envious and jealous Abrams fanboys and Altay fanboys. The chances of a turret jamming is very low, also what makes you think that a malfunction can not be cleared using a mechanical method?

Second all situation awareness solely based on cameras as crew located in front safe cell. How they will see around in warzone in case of malfunction.

Proof? Where is your proof that the T-14 only uses cameras? It has two different types of vision blocks indicating that some are periscopes and some are cameras or a split periscope with cameras. Even if it was only to use cameras what makes you think that those cameras would malfunction? Do you know what redundancy systems are? In a redundancy system there is multi system backups, meaning if a single cable is severed or even multiple cables are severed a system continues to operate, if the a battery fails, there is a backup, if the backup fails there is a backup for the backup, if the impossible happens you still have charges from multiple alternators.

Why even compare the T-14 to the Altay. One breaks down infront of the world, the other doesn't. Checkmate.

The emergency lockup breaks were accidentally engaged, the tank drove off on its own power when they figured out the problem. Your checkmate failed, turks don't play chess as it requires a very high level of intelligence.

 

[TheGrim]

Stop quoting me hear and go to the armata thread in the Russian defence secion if you want to debate the T-14. I will debate you there but i will make a quick exception and address you. Russian tanks have been using autoloaders since the 1960s without problems, the K-2 also uses it so does the French Leclerc and the new Japanese Type 10 as well as all Chinese tanks. The only ones that keep mentioning autoloaders and reliability are envious and jealous Abrams fanboys and Altay fanboys. The chances of a turret jamming is very low, also what makes you think that a malfunction can not be cleared using a mechanical method?











Proof? Where is your proof that the T-14 only uses cameras? It has two different types of vision blocks indicating that some are periscopes and some are cameras or a split periscope with cameras. Even if it was only to use cameras what makes you think that those cameras would malfunction? Do you know what redundancy systems are? In a redundancy system there is multi system backups, meaning if a single cable is severed or even multiple cables are severed a system continues to operate, if the a battery fails, there is a backup, if the backup fails there is a backup for the backup, if the impossible happens you still have charges from multiple alternators.





The emergency lockup breaks were accidentally engaged, the tank drove off on its own power when they figured out the problem. Your checkmate failed, turks don't play chess as it requires a very high level of intelligence.

yes and Russian military personnel are apparently incapable of driving tanks. Such an awesome display of commie intellect. Congratulations

 

[ptldM3]

yes and Russian military personnel are apparently incapable of driving tanks. Such an awesome display of commie intellect. Congratulations

Look up at IQ rankings by country before you go barking about intelligence. Also for the last time, stop quoting me and go to the Russian defense section if you want to have a fair debate about the T-14 and by fair i mean actual debating and not Turkish trolling.

It seem a couple of your Turkish boys that went to troll the T-14 in the Russian defence section bolted for the door after a few posts. It's easy to be a coward and hid in the Turkish forum while bashing the T-14 but things are different on a level playing field.

 

[TheGrim]

Look up at IQ rankings by country before you go barking about intelligence. Also for the last time, stop quoting me and go to the Russian defense section if you want to have a fair debate about the T-14 and by fair i mean actual debating and not Turkish trolling.

Yes congratulations on being the worlds smartest people, we are very envious of you on a serious note though, you were the one that appeared on the Turkish defense forum and making remarks which are way over your head. Now if you are indeed tired of being tagged and quoted please remove yourself from this discussion. Now go on, shoo

 

[ptldM3]

Yes congratulations on being the worlds smartest people, we are very envious of you on a serious note though, you were the one that appeared on the Turkish defense forum and making remarks which are way over your head. Now if you are indeed tired of being tagged and quoted please remove yourself from this discussion. Now go on, shoo

And it was Turks that original mentioned the T-14 in this thread not me, i only came in to this thread after a bunch of turks were making comments about the T-14 (insults) that was way over their heads. As for me being over my head....please, i have destroyed every argument that was made towards the T-14.

 

[TheGrim]

And it was Turks that original mentioned the T-14 in this thread not me, i only came in to this thread after a bunch of turks were making comments about the T-14 (insults) that was way over their heads. As for me being over my head....please, i have destroyed every argument that was made towards the T-14.

cool story bro, now go on. Dasvidanya

 

[ptldM3]

cool story bro, now go on. Dasvidanya

The feeling is mutual,

 

[Water Car Engineer]

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Excellent image.

 

[ozi2000]

Russia’s brand-new tank just broke down in the middle of Moscow. Oooops


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Russia's Brand New Tank Just Broke Down In The Middle Of Moscow


HaHaHa

 

[TheGrim]

Russia’s brand-new tank just broke down in the middle of Moscow. Oooops


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Russia's Brand New Tank Just Broke Down In The Middle Of Moscow

No no no. The emergency brakes were engaged. Please let's be factually correct