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Alleged "Terror boat" Sunk by Indian Coast Guard | Fact or Fiction?

Perhaps, but then ponder this ..had this been a terror boat...with actual terrorist and explosives.

Pakistan would have simply rejected the charge without even any investigation..as it did now.

Then Pakistan claims, it is serious about combating terror emenating from its soil.
O bhai its not like this completely. Look im no way defending our short comings but u guys need to behave like a civilized country and reach to us through diplomatic channels without involving the media hype like we did after Peshawar tradegy with afghan government by sending army man to kabul to show evidence and ask them in a civilized manner to take action which they did too.
Yr media and gov claims are usually absent like this one......and this thread.

Terror alert in Mumbai over Pak men shows govt fumble

So if u have a doubt abt us being involved then do yr complete investigation first then come here with yr evidence and ask us like a civilized and responsible nation like we did in Peshawar matter with Afghanistan.
 
You cannot compare the situation of the past with the present situation. A lot of water has flow over since your moodi's immature bravados. Moodi the killer and murderer of 3000 innocent Muslims does not value life of Indian Muslims, let alone poor Pakistani Muslim fisherman.

You too can claim all you like as if we gives a hoot. Your nonsense media first claim it was ISI boats, then some banned organization boats, then smugglers, etc etc. Just like you guys cannot believe Pakistani side same is the case with Pakistan. They cannot accept your $tup1d nonsense claims.

Pardon me but Pakistanis are humans unlike Indians(well apparently the actions says so and the defenders of those actions prove it). Pakistanis think any innocent who cross over the territory by mistake should be treated as innocent civilian until fairly proven otherwise and because of that few days ago Pakistan return an Indian civilian back to India.
And here is where I still replying to you.

-Calling Modi a "murderer" whilst propagated in Pakistan is an utter fallacy.
-Calling all Indians subhuman.
-I've pointed out you have to de-link the Indian media's statements and the Indian Government's.

Keep demonising Modi, blaming him for all of Pakistan's ailments and see where that gets you. While you're at it why don't you ask any of your American friends what they think about this. I know for a fact which side they would back.

According to Pakistan, it has nothing to do with them. Was wondering whether they make a poor fishermen claim.....Since they didn't, suspicions on the motive of the boat increase. If they were not fishermen, then who were they ? Smugglers are usually going around under the guise of fishermen. Pakistan's outright denial actually starst to make this story much more interesting.
Hmmm, very valid point. As weak as Pakistanis try to paint the Indian story as, their counter narrative is even more nonsensical and flawed.
 
And here is where I still replying to you.

-Calling Modi a "murderer" whilst propagated in Pakistan is an utter fallacy.
-Calling all Indians subhuman.
-I've pointed out you have to de-link the Indian media's statements and the Indian Government's.

Keep demonising Modi, blaming him for all of Pakistan's ailments and see where that gets you. While you're at it why don't you ask any of your American friends what they think about this. I know for a fact which side they would back.

It may be for you but it is known to world. Remember US didn't let this murderer enter it's shores since 2002. The funny part is that if he had ghairat he would avoid coming to US which he didn't because there is a saying,

A dog always run after his master even if his master kick him

I' am not calling all Indians subhuman. Only those who are supporting wrong doing of their forces. I hope many Indians knows that killing innocent 14 year old and innocent fisherman is a wrong act.

Indian media read the lines of it's Army and defense analysts.

Most of my American friend don't care about those third world places. Most of them are not fools and understand that if you put your hand in bee hive they are definitely going to attack you.
 
No issues if it pisses off certain sections of Pakistan, who honestly cares !

This procedure should be kept up at every suspicious boat. Irrespective of.

Period.
 
Well sir, this would involve the involvement of Pakistani authorities and one can rule this out when relations are "good" let alone times like these. Additionally the Pak govt has already dismissed the possibility these guys were Pakistani so it appears that the avenue of working with the Pak authorities in investigating this matter is closed.
our media and people will find out for sure.
silver lining .. no terror attempt. and no one claimed either

although I try to be careful with accepting ludicrous claims of the terrorists (like 9 different groups claimed the border parade bombing at Wahaga).
 
I knew yesterday itself that 'doubts would mount' for Pakistanis. It has been 6 years since Mumbai and till date most Pakistanis don't believe even Kasab was a Pakistani. Compared to Mumbai, this incidence was nothing so expect more conspiracy theories from Pakistani side.
 
You can take your sympathy and shove where the sun dont shine. We dont need your focking sympathy and 26/11 I dont believe it was even Pakistan. Have you seen Kasab video???? and how can a bunch of terrorists wanna be traveled all the way on small boat and douched mighty Indian navy. And its been proven that kasab was not even from Pakistan.

A guy who is going to so called Jihad and doesn't even know the meaning of Jihad ...... And you just pray that this LOC thing cool down who knows you get some BSF get killed. You indians dot head or nothing media induced spoiled brats



Well you should have apprehended them but no you guys are trigger happy morons.
Kasab's family has confirmed he was from Pakistan & these conspiracy theories are the reason no one beileves you
 
I knew yesterday itself that 'doubts would mount' for Pakistanis. It has been 6 years since Mumbai and till date most Pakistanis don't believe even Kasab was a Pakistani. Compared to Mumbai, this incidence was nothing so expect more conspiracy theories from Pakistani side.

You do realize this incident would have meant NOTHING if not for the drama on the Indian side.
 
What does Praveen Swami know that the Coast Guard doesn’t?
bwoyblunder / January 3, 2015 / Media
In my earlier piece, we had looked at some journos including Praveen Swami, who had floated mind boggling borderline conspiracy theories about the Pakistani boat incident. As I interacted with people on Twitter, and after I re-read Swami’s piece, I felt this gem needed an exclusive post.



1. In the earlier piece, I mentioned Swami says “India claims to destroy Pakistani Boat”. The Coast Guard’s press release never claims that it “destroyed” the boat, it just intercepted it. And Swami does not provide any conclusive evidence to come even near to proving his claim that India “destroyed” the boat



2. Swami also mentioned that “India claims to destroy Terror Boat”. Again the press release has no mention of Terror. Since the boat sank, there was no evidence (at least at the time of the Press Release) to claim it was a “Terror Boat”. Amit Shah said it “could have been” a terror plot. Defence Minister said it was a “suspected” terror plot. But nobody came close to claiming that it was a Terror Boat beyond doubt. Yet, Swami feels India did so. I wonder where he got that from.



3. Swami goes on to say “new evidence has begun to emerge that those on board might have been small-time liquor and diesel smugglers”. He says “SOURCES” revealed to him that “National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) had intercepted mobile phone traffic involving small-time smugglers operating out of the fishing port of Keti Bandar, near Karachi.

I am not sure what Swami’s “New Evidence” is, because he does not present any, except for what his “SOURCES” told him. Also, I was informed by @HungrynFool, that India Todayhas come out with a totally contradictory report.

According to this report, Aaj Tak has accessed transcripts (not sources) of radio communication between NTRO and the Indian Coast Guard. NTRO apparently recorded the radio communication between TWO (not one) Pakistani boats. This conversation reveals that the boats had “plans to repeat 26/11 carnage in Porbandar”and that “both the vessels were in regular contact with Pakistan’s maritime agency and the army”.

This is in direct contradiction to Swami’s source based report which said the boat was of “chhota mota” smugglers. I personally don’t know which to believe, but I probably go with Aaj Tak’s transcripts, rather than some unnamed sources of Swami.



4. Swami also says that these “smugglers” were to carry bootleg “from the port of Gwadar to other fishing boats which were to have carried it into Karachi’s Keti Bandar harbour.” So this “smuggling” boat was supposed to pass on its ware to another boat mid-sea, which would head to Keti Bandar harbour. Now I am no geography expert, especially not Pakistani geography. But my friend Google Maps is. So I pulled this out:



Now we have Gwadar Port at the extreme left, At the centre is Keti Bandar Port. Porbandar in India, is way down, and the big green circle is probably where this “smuggling” boat from Swamy’simagination report, caught fire. The green circle has been purposely inflated, because I am no geography expert. Also in light blue, I have marked the route I would take if I was in the “smuggling” boat.

Basically, Swami wants us to believe that this boat came all the way down into this green area, to pass on some stuff to another boat which also came down all the way, to carry it back up. COOL STORY BRO!



5. The Press release by the Coast Guard says, they could not save the boat that “due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds.” Swami counters this by saying that open-source meteorological data for the Porbandar coast shows conditions were almost ideal with cloudless skies on December 31-January 1. Of course he provides no links to this data.

I don’t believe these “Open-Source” stuff. So I went to the Indian Meteorological Department site and checked the report for 31/12/2014. The report says “An upper air cyclonic circulation laid over east central and adjoining northeast Arabian Sea off north Konkan and south Gujarat coasts and extended upto 1.5 km above mean sea level on 31st December, 2014.”

Now I don’t understand this, but my friend @sailorsmoon is a sailor. He tells me that in layman’s terms it means “a low pressure area is building and might result in heavy rains, strong air and choppy seas making it hard to maintain course for smaller vessels, And definitely NOT ideal weather.”

Who do you want me to trust? Open Source unlinked data from Praveen Swami, or Indian Government’s official data, interpreted by a sailor? You decide.



6. Swami then goes on to quote a Narsibhai Jungi Jadeja, head of the Porbandar fishing boat owners’ association. Jadeja says its surprising that nobody saw anything “because a fire at night would be visible many nautical miles away”.

Again I asked @sailorsmoon for his views on visibility and nautical miles. He said, “Irrespective of how huge a fire is, you won’t be able to see it beyond a certain distance, simply because the Earth is round (My sources have confirmed that Earth is indeed round).”

He adds that its almost impossible to see anything beyond 35 Nautical Miles, in even perfect visibility. @sailorsmoon further quoted from personal experience and said, “We see burning flares of oil fields at sea, and we only notice them at not before 20 Nautical Miles at best.”

So how many Nautical Miles away was the Pakistani boat? 197 Nautical Miles!! Let’s say thats a completely exaggerated figure and lets take its half i.e. around 98 Nautical Miles. Thats still way too far to see anything, according to @Sailorsmoon’s view, let alone the flames from a small fishing boat.



7. Praveen Swami also says that “There is a suggestion of use of disproportionate force on the poor boat since its engine wasn’t capable of outrunning Indian interceptors. He also says there isn’t much clarity “on the circumstances under which lethal force was used”.

I want to ask Swami, is chasing down a boat “Lethal Disproportionate Force”? Is asking it to stop “Lethal Disproportionate Force”? Or is he slyly hinting at something else? Like he did earlier, that India in fact “destroyed” this boat.

And I want to ask you, the reader, knowing that Pakistan has once successfully used this modus operandi, that Pakistan is continuously violating ceasefire norms as we speak, that this boat is not obeying your orders, that this boat could have another Kasab, did what the Coast Guard did, qualify as “Lethal Disproportionate Force”?

In my opinion, NO! Maybe Praveen Swami has more sympathy for the passengers of this boat who were surely in some or the other “Illicit activity” rather than for innocent Indian civilians.



So to conclude, Praveen Swami’s post doesn’t hold grounds on at least 6 points. Maybe his sources lied to him. Maybe his sources were wrong. Or maybe he didn’t have any sources and he just had a narrative in his mind which he had to show to be true by weaving a fictional story around it.

I would have loved to ask Praveen Swami to clarify this, but he blocked me on Twitter, as soon as I tagged him in a tweet with my earlier post. So much for good old tolerance preached by “Liberals”!
What does Praveen Swami know that the Coast Guard doesn’t?
 

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