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[Cookie Monster]

This will mean giving up on China which has direct affect on India/Kashmir issue.

Doesn't have to be black and white...masterful diplomacy hardly ever is that clear cut. Look at India for example...they have been trying to play both sides(trying to keep Russia and the west happy)...and until this Ukraine/Russia war...it was working.

 

[The Terminator]

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US needs a Nawaz Sharif like person on the seat who adheres to the dictation of the US and bows in front of India. Currently India is the top most pawn in the region for the US chessboard pieces. India should be strong enough to contain and engage China and US wants to neutralize all other distractions for the Indian Govt. So Pakistan would have friendly relations and trade relations with India then regardless of situation on borders and Kashmir issue.

Due to IK's firm stance and China's growing influence, US is rapidly becoming irrelevant in mainland Asia from the Baltics to the Arabian Sea and to the Red Sea. They desperately need to bounce back in the region and Pakistan could be their easiest way to get back into the business as usual. Because Pakistan had provided them that crucial passage in past decades too. If China succeeds in pulling off some deals it's currently negotiating, the US would loose it's only tool of influence left in shape of sanctions, embargoes and US Dollar global domination. Russia, China and other regional players combined have the potential to turn the tables on US now if it doesn't stop bullying everyone else immediately. The cold war is getting into it's turbo phase quite quickly because US can't afford to wait and China can just sit back for decades and watch US loosing the game.

So evidently as a country situated on the crossroads of great world powers we are caught in the cross fire between the two giants, and would have to endure it

 

[The Terminator]

Nawaz would pivot towards India and would recognize India as a major power in the region as Arabs were recently forced to do publicly towards the Israel in that region. We would see better ties and personal visits between sharifs and the modi regime, normalization of the relationships, trade and access granted to India for central Asia through Pakistan at the cost of National Security of the Pakistan. All in trying to encircle China from all sides.

As I said that Nawaz would be relegated to serve the Indian regime well. Aman ki Asha type . Which he has done with flying colors before too. And he is capable enough to do so. And yes it does make a difference who sits in the seat of the executive authority ie PM. IK absorbed a lot of pressure on behalf of his military establishment in situations like Afghanistan issue, drone strikes, US uninterrupted access to the Afghan soil for US covert/overt Ops. Today PAF can easily get away unscathed after shooting down the US drone out of the sky as they would say that they were ordered to do so by their PM.

In presence of Nawaz Sharif the operation Swift Retort would never have been so swift to punch Indian forces back into their rightful place. Everyone knows how reluctant Nawaz were for testing Nuke devices back in his prime days. Operation Zarb e Azb was launched by the military after getting their noses bled in APS and similar back to back incidents. So it was solely an Army's initiative after enduring what's wasn't acceptable whatsoever. The PM was then informed later on that we have already initiated the Op against Indian backed/funded terrorists of your friend Modi.

It doesn't matter how much strong your military machine is. At the end that military machine has to get it's strength and power from the political Govt to take actions freely in the interest of the National Security. We had Kalbhoshan Yadav during Nawaz era and he never ever spelled his name from his wicked lips. No matter how much loud people or ISPR yells at matters, when the President/PM says something, it's taken seriously all around the world.

 

[313ghazi]

I agree the US has had a a history of engaging in such acts but they do such things covertly and when they require so, we got to know a lot of the details of such things much much later, even now they are being uncovered. So again why would you throw away secrecy of such a highly sensitive act. That and the fact that the Military has not seen any evidence or has at least not said anything about it yet. If the claims can be corroborated i'll believe it but like i said at the moment there is nothing meaningful.

Like you said, it's very useful for optics to play up what might be something quite routine in USPAK relations at least. PMIK has probably decided his bridges are burnt with the US anyway. Also I doubt the military will ever publicly aknowledge anything or say anything - it would be deemed unprofessional. They at least on the face it, want to be seen to be apolitical.

TBH though, I wouldn't doubt it from being true, Pervez Musharraf himself quite openly talked about how the US threatened to bomb Pakistan back to the stone age. He attributed the words to Richard Armitage if I recall correctly. He even talked about it on a US talkshow. He was on the Daily Show with John Stewart - https://www.cc.com/video/df3lbi/the...sive-pervez-musharraf-extended-interview-pt-1

 

[The Terminator]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508718906705268741

Many ex-service men's hearts beat with the IK Govt stance but isn't the case with the current Generals serving in the military as many of them lack the strength of their character to challenge the Sharif/Zardari combo. Because they fear to face the similar fate as of a couple of judges leaked conversations/video leaks by the Maryam Nawaz media cell. They have similar evidences for those powerful military personnel as well. That's why this whole system is paralyzed, rigged and falling apart due to the abundance of corrupt people everywhere. Sharif/Zardari have publicly threatened those people that if things go wrong for their families, they would expose a lot of so called dignitaries.

 

[The Terminator]

Pakistan's recent steps towards Russia are of strategic importance. Having trade deals with Russia. Inviting Russia to invest billions in Pakistan especially in gas pipeline and steel Mill projects, regional connectivity, defense cooperation and joint exercises. That's a comprehensive partnership not just a one of transactional deal. China, Russia and Pakistan engaged in multiple diplomatic platforms of regional cooperation and the central Asian states also taking part in it points towards a major strategic shift. Russian President recently speaking in favor of Muslim's sentiments towards the sanctity of the great Islamic religious figure is not just a coincident. Turkey as a key NATO ally has maintained it's unique stance towards Russia too. So the whole region's situation is fluid now a days

 

[PakSarZameen47]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508828348067323907

 

[mudas777]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508718906705268741

We can't even convict TTP cadres never mind corrupt politicians.
As they say Pakistan ka awaha ke awaha he bigura howe ha. Until we don't start shooting few corrupts and traitors nothing will change only is making the situation worse.
Even they get wind of their caught cases they apply and get pre arrests bails and fly away to UAE what a state of our justice system is in.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Difference between cable and written warning is, one is communicated verbal and than self reported and other is given on official letters. Countries don’t give written warning printed on letters that can be physically recorded and use to justify war, so warning are always communicated verbally . Fact remain the same. Warning was issues regardless of mode.

 

[SEOminati]

COAS went to Brussels to meet NATO chief not US. It was a schedule meeting.

India, was never named. Everybody knows that the threat was coming from US. Pakistan has to pay a price of Khan's infamous 'Absolutely not' statement. If IK remains in power, than sanctions but for that, Biden Govt has to provide some serious proofs against Pakistan to get the bill passed in Congress so the easy way to neutralize Pakistan is get rid of Imran Khan govt, which is currently happening.

Was this mistakenly fired ballistic a sign from the west?
Was this the reason it was being tracked and not taken down?

 

[PakFactor]

bhai dekho ... IK instead of being diplomatic he straight away took the hard way of choosing sides and went with Russia and China

I personally am myself double minded over this, on one side i am glad that someone had balls to finally do this and on the other hand i think we should not totally screw our relations with west like this

but rest assured, if you stop playing by uncle sam's book they will do anything and everything in their dirty book to get back to you so this was expected

You have to understand it's a delicate balance at this moment our national security and military is more Chinese origin down the road, you upset the Chinese you'll be in the situation they can stop supplies and parts (see the effect of Ukraine-Russia War is having on our T-80UD, etc.). We are getting more from them than the US in last 20+ years and more sanction prone, when have the Chinese sanctioned us? We all know our ties lie to the East, its the sell outs with assets abroad that are the hold up.

 

[DocEinstein]

Although I am not pleased with IK, however if the current vote of no confidence goes through against him then the Pakistani qaum should prepare to be slaves to US and the west, with the new stooge they are planning to implant.

 

[HRK]

Difference between cable and written warning is, one is communicated verbal and than self reported and other is given on official letters. Countries don’t give written warning printed on letters that can be physically recorded and use to justify war, so warning are always communicated verbally . Fact remain the same. Warning was issues regardless of mode.
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It was an Official Letter of Pakistani ambassador in Washington to Foreign Office in Pakistan informing about the warnings received during diplomatic engagements with US officials.

Yes letter is not from US officials but the threats mention in it were from US officials.

 

[EvoluXon]

Why the GOP has not expelled ambassador of threatening country yet? This would send strong message to that country for poking nose in internal politics to change regime illegally. Pakistan PM may elevate his stature domestically and internationally by taking this course of action. and possibly put masters and puppets of Vote of no confidence on back foot..

 

[MM_Haider]

This will mean giving up on China which has direct affect on India/Kashmir issue.

more than that it will be accepting Indian hegemony and supremacy in region.. wonder how our establishment will accept that