ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Dubious]

Then he should change one or both of his flags. He's not Indonesian then and should stop masquerading as one.

There are Indonesian Chinese...Like Singaporean Chinese..like Malaysian Chinese...

He CAN be Indonesian...lets try Malay (all Indonesians should know this basics:

@yantong1980 dari mana? kenapa ckp mcm tu sampai perlu delete?

 

[Itachi]

LOL, OK, they are fake, hundreds and thousands of them, as long as you don't agree that they are Muslims , they are not. I got it.

Well I can't read Chinese so how do I know what the title is?

LOL, OK, they are fake, hundreds and thousands of them, as long as you don't agree that they are Muslims , they are not. I got it.

Again, you're putting words in my mouth and making assumptions. Keep going.

 

[beijingwalker]

Well I can't read Chinese so how do I know what the title is?

Still in denial? unbelievable.. How about Dilruba and Gulnazar, two household names in China, do you think they are Muslims?

Again, you're putting words in my mouth and making assumptions. Keep going.

you judge that they are all not Muslims, you passed judgement on them, so suddenly all of them become non Muslims.

 

[Itachi]

Still in denial? unbelievable.. How about Dilruba and Gulnazar, two household names in China, do you think they are Muslims?

you judge that they are all not Muslims, you passed judgement on them, so suddenly all of them become non Muslims.

lol I guess you truly can't comprehend English....like I said before, how do I know what the video portrays if I can't even read the title??

And again, you're putting words in my mouth, I only called out your videos as fake, didn't say any Muslims were non-Muslims.

 

[beijingwalker]

lol I guess you truly can't comprehend English....like I said before, how do I know what the video portrays if I can't even read the title??

And again, you're putting words in my mouth, I only called out your videos as fake, didn't say any Muslims were non-Muslims.

They act the same in the video as the girl doing the Indian dance in the video that you claim Muslims will never do. Or you think they are not Dilruba and Gulnazar? Some Pakistani posters know them and can read Chinese, do you want them to come to verify?

And again, you're putting words in my mouth, I only called out your videos as fake, didn't say any Muslims were non-Muslims.

What do you mean "fake" exactly?

If you say she is not Muslim, that's ok, all Uighur girls want to be her. An overwhelming role model in Xinjiang.

 

[Itachi]

If you say she is not Muslim, that's ok, all Uighur girls want to be her. An overwhelming role model in Xinjiang.

Right....you can keep dreaming.

 

[Bismarck]

No kowtowing the cultural genocide
What can the international community do against the oppression of the Uighurs in China? Above all, stop falling for threatening gestures.

The China policy of Western countries is driven by two emotions, former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott once said to Angela Merkel: fear and greed. That's right - and applies to non-Western countries as well, you can add. There is no evidence of any malady at this time, more than the suppression of the Uyghur minority in the western Chinese province of Xinjiang.

It has been known for more than a year that the Chinese government arrests more than one million Muslims in re-education camps in the far west of the country - without charge, trial, or even reasonable suspicion. Torture and abuse are widespread, according to ex-detainees. Those who are not imprisoned can hardly move more freely: all of Xinjiang is now a 1.6 million square kilometer high-security prison.

Surveillance cameras, digital snooping programs and neighborhood spies pursue everyone at every step in the service of a supposed anti-terrorist struggle. Last week, German Xinjiang researcher Adrian Zenz revealed that the Chinese state is systematically separating Uighur children from their parents. The boarding schools, where the minors are housed, resemble the prisons for the adults with their electric fences and alarm systems. According to the Zenz report, there is a kind of state day care center where babies are being cared for by imprisoned Muslims in crèches - presumably toddlers whose parents are both in camps must stay overnight there.

In Muslim states, the silence is particularly loud
What happens in Xinjiang is a cultural genocide: even the roots of the smallest should be cut off. The government wants to cultivate a new generation that is subordinate to the communist state ideology from an early age.
Despite these findings, few governments are comfortable with calling the Chinese government's human rights violations in Xinjiang - or even putting pressure on them. Open criticism came recently from the Trump government, which itself is under attack because it separates children on the Mexican border from their parents, from the European Parliament and from the Federal Government. That's it but more or less.

https://www.zeit.de/amp/politik/aus...china-menschenrechtsverletzung-unterdrueckung

 

[twocents]

All that and you don't have freedom of speech, religion and expression. That's a very expensive price to pay for pretty much becoming a slave to the government.
Notice you said "as long as you work hard". These are not mutually exclusive btw, you can have progress while also having freedom. I think the Western developed world is a big example of that.

Maybe to you, freedom especially freedom of religion isn't valuable but majority of the world views it differently.

BTW, i don't know how this turned into a discussion on China, i actually don't have any issues with how China runs things, if their people are happy, good for them. My issue is with the Xinjiang especially where Uighurs majority live. For actions of few terrorists which could very well have been government sponsored to justify this mass imprisonment of Uighus into concentration camps. Won't be the first time a government did something like this. It's not fair to make millions suffer for actions of few.



From 2019 showing Idkah mosque? Urumqi and Kashgar?

All your videos have shown are women dancing, children happy, progress this n that. Failed to see a single video which would counter the accusations that "western propaganda" are throwing and what Joe Hattab showed.

How hard is it to show people praying in Idkah mosque, the biggest mosque which can house 20k people. Surely, there must be a few people praying there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Kah_Mosque

Several years back, this was Idkah Mosque

Just a year back, this happened

Oh no, where are the Muslims praying disappeared and why does the mosque look abandoned? Must be Western propaganda?

This guy must be on Uncle Sam payroll.

Did you actually watch the video? You are comparing apples and oranges. In the second video the vlogger was talking about a mausoleum. How does one manage to confuse a mausoleum with a mosque? Would you care to explain?

 

[fisher1]

Did you actually watch the video? You are comparing apples and oranges. In the second video the vlogger was talking about a mausoleum. How does one manage to confuse a mausoleum with a mosque? Would you care to explain?

He says it is south of Idkah mosque near it. It looks abandoned, i expected there to be people since it's near the mosque and people would go there.

I didn't say it was a mosque.

 

[twocents]

He says it is south of Idkah mosque near it. It looks abandoned, i expected there to be people since it's near the mosque and people would go there.

I didn't say it was a mosque.

What do you mean when you say "it looks abandoned"? An abandoned place generelly connotes a place falling into ruins. The mausoleum looks well maintained to me.

Judging from your comment that you posted along with the two videos, you have strong feelings toward the situation in Xinjiang. You are very much entitiled to it. The bottom line is that we are not going to sway each other's opinions on the matter. Lets' leave it at that.

 

[vi-va]

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Just did a quick google search. Now why would a Indonesian be on here with a Chinese name?

His name is yantong1980 which I guess he was born in 1980 not YangTong. Gosh, at least read carefully before pointing finger.

 

[055_destroyer]

All that and you don't have freedom of speech, religion and expression. That's a very expensive price to pay for pretty much becoming a slave to the government.
Notice you said "as long as you work hard". These are not mutually exclusive btw, you can have progress while also having freedom. I think the Western developed world is a big example of that.

Maybe to you, freedom especially freedom of religion isn't valuable but majority of the world views it differently.

BTW, i don't know how this turned into a discussion on China, i actually don't have any issues with how China runs things, if their people are happy, good for them. My issue is with the Xinjiang especially where Uighurs majority live. For actions of few terrorists which could very well have been government sponsored to justify this mass imprisonment of Uighus into concentration camps. Won't be the first time a government did something like this. It's not fair to make millions suffer for actions of few.



From 2019 showing Idkah mosque? Urumqi and Kashgar?

All your videos have shown are women dancing, children happy, progress this n that. Failed to see a single video which would counter the accusations that "western propaganda" are throwing and what Joe Hattab showed.

How hard is it to show people praying in Idkah mosque, the biggest mosque which can house 20k people. Surely, there must be a few people praying there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Kah_Mosque

Several years back, this was Idkah Mosque

Just a year back, this happened

Oh no, where are the Muslims praying disappeared and why does the mosque look abandoned? Must be Western propaganda?

This guy must be on Uncle Sam payroll.

As if you really have freedom of speeches? Does your speeches translate to justice and a fair society that everyone can progress? I don't see freedom and I don't see hope when young can't go to school, countries are left in ruined. When natural disasters struck, ordinary citizen are left hopeless and monsoon killed large number of people and government can't do anything. Is this the freedom that you are taught being better than socialist communist?

When you can't even feed yourself and left to die. What kind of freedom do you still think you can have? You don't even have the basic means to live as a normal human being when sanitation, food a,means to earn a living and housing don't even available.

 

[vi-va]

All that and you don't have freedom of speech, religion and expression. That's a very expensive price to pay for pretty much becoming a slave to the government.
Notice you said "as long as you work hard". These are not mutually exclusive btw, you can have progress while also having freedom. I think the Western developed world is a big example of that.

Maybe to you, freedom especially freedom of religion isn't valuable but majority of the world views it differently.

BTW, i don't know how this turned into a discussion on China, i actually don't have any issues with how China runs things, if their people are happy, good for them. My issue is with the Xinjiang especially where Uighurs majority live. For actions of few terrorists which could very well have been government sponsored to justify this mass imprisonment of Uighus into concentration camps. Won't be the first time a government did something like this. It's not fair to make millions suffer for actions of few.



From 2019 showing Idkah mosque? Urumqi and Kashgar?

All your videos have shown are women dancing, children happy, progress this n that. Failed to see a single video which would counter the accusations that "western propaganda" are throwing and what Joe Hattab showed.

How hard is it to show people praying in Idkah mosque, the biggest mosque which can house 20k people. Surely, there must be a few people praying there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Kah_Mosque

Several years back, this was Idkah Mosque

Just a year back, this happened

Oh no, where are the Muslims praying disappeared and why does the mosque look abandoned? Must be Western propaganda?

This guy must be on Uncle Sam payroll.

How can you compare a Mosque with a tomb and say it's abandon. Where is your logical please? And please don't jump into conclusion by just viewing some western videos.

Some vloggers are dishonest and funded by CIA.

 

[beijingwalker]

Right....you can keep dreaming.

Still in denial, is she a Muslim? Pass your mighty judgement on her.

 

[JSCh]

Breaking down the BBC’s visit to Hotan, Xinjiang – Sun Feiyang – Medium