ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[JSCh]

The propaganda is strong in this thread.


Look at all these Chinese posters posting different aspect of Uyghur life, whether fake or not, that can be argued too.

But you have to say, if the camps/detention centers don't exist then why are they in such a fire to make hundreds of threads and posts on PDF regarding Uyghurs??

Simply said, if there's no camps, no one would bother to say otherwise. If they do exist, then normally, you'll see propagandists here on PDF making multiple threads and posts to show Uyghurs doing good and China in the limelight.

FYI, I have regularly posted Xinjiang and western region related news for many years in this particular thread
-> https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/western-china-news-and-development.416059/

I guess I should consider continue posting there for anyone who want to know Xinjiang with less politics.

 

[beijingwalker]

From what i understand, you're either in some position in China or just live there. You really aren't the most trustworthy source to expose anything wrong going on there.

Communists are also known for their propaganda btw
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_propaganda

It is also easy for you to just show what you want to show. The Uighurs are a minority, this crackdown has strengthened recently and China is gigantic. Not really hard to manipulate things and show the positive.

I could've shown you the positives in Waziristan even when military was doing operations and drones were bombing the crap out of people in KPK in Pakistan.

I think if you were to vlog especially the mosques and the areas that vlogger did, it would be way more believable. But i don't really expect you to.

What sources are reliable sources in your mind? I posted videos of different sources, you can choose not to believe them, but my sources are just as reliable, or not reliable as yours, I don't live in Xinjiang, true, but neither do you.I posted videos of different parts of China, I don't have to visit all of them before posting aritcles and videos about them.

 

[055_destroyer]

He has other videos where he portrays China in a beautiful light. He also has no interest in Uighurs, he's just a random travel vlogger. So if he's showing that then there must be truth to it. The guy hasn't made another video about Uighurs.

Why do you have to pay to visit Mosques? Nobody praying in the biggest mosque. People actually visiting mosques as tourist spots rather than for praying.



From what i understand, you're either in some position in China or just live there. You really aren't the most trustworthy source to expose anything wrong going on there.

Communists are also known for their propaganda btw
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_propaganda

It is also easy for you to just show what you want to show. The Uighurs are a minority, this crackdown has strengthened recently and China is gigantic. Not really hard to manipulate things and show the positive.

I could've shown you the positives in Waziristan even when military was doing operations and drones were bombing the crap out of people in KPK in Pakistan.

I think if you were to vlog especially the mosques and the areas that vlogger did, it would be way more believable. But i don't really expect you to.

The communist propangada link you provided is nothing but random setup by nobody and write some rubbish about it. How can it be a point of your proof? I can even go in now and edit it , if i want.

 

[fisher1]

What sources are reliable sources in your mind? I posted videos of different sources, you can choose not to believe them, but my sources are just as reliable, or not reliable as yours, I don't live in Xinjiang, true, but neither do you.I posted videos of different parts of China, I don't have to visit all of them before posting aritcles and videos about them.

Vlogs of famous travel vloggers who don't have any interest in this bullcrap and just do it for fun and views. They would be pretty accurate and reliable. What does Joe Hattab (the vlogger i posted video of) has to gain if he shows Xinjiang in a bad or a positive light? Nothing. He will only show what he sees. A whole playlist of him showing beauty of China and positives

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6AAhWqBusBrR7ezgB5bcvcXi6BLOGpIq

Even he admits that the situation was different just two years back and the mosques were jam-packed.

Government level delegations like the Indonesians went there and actually confirmed what has been dismissed as Western propaganda. Those are pretty hard to dismiss, ain't it? United Nations reports.

Etc etc

What you've posted so far are random clips showing how China is improving the lives of people and how people are happy there. They would be 100% accurate but you can easily take old footage when this wasn't happening, of people who actually don't give a crap about religion.

Remember only Muslims who are religious are suffering the wrath. Not every Uighur would be religious obviously and a huge percentage of population would toe the line too even if they don't agree with it. Many would be reformed Muslims or rather atheists, do you know how successful ISIS brainwashing centres are?

Not hard to present footage that you want. But even still, you haven't posted anything showing active mosques with people praying there.

It is also pretty hard to believe that a government doing something like this in 2019 would admit to it. They would hide because it has serious implications.

I don't need to tell you what is and isn't a reliable source. You know yourself whether the content you're posting can be believable or not ))

The communist propangada link you provided is nothing but random setup by nobody and write some rubbish about it. How can it be a point of your proof? I can even go in now and edit it , if i want.

This is a fact. You can edit it but your edit would get removed if it lacks verifiable sources. Can easily link you other sites but the wiki has consolidated information in one place.

By the way, if you don't know about communist propaganda that kind of proves you are victim of one ). The victims of propaganda don't really realise they're victim of one.

 

[beijingwalker]

Vlogs of famous travel vloggers who don't have any interest in this bullcrap and just do it for fun and views. They would be pretty accurate and reliable. What does Joe Hattab (the vlogger i posted video of) has to gain if he shows Xinjiang in a bad or a positive light?

I have dozens of them both from China and abroad, needs several pages here to post them here.

 

[055_destroyer]

By the way, if you don't know about communist propaganda that kind of proves you are victim of one ). The victims of propaganda don't really realise they're victim of one.

Yes, I am victim of communist China. The same government who pull millions of peasant like us to middle class, the same communist who is working hard everyday to change our lives. All day, I can see small small changes happening everyday. From my very inconvenient hometown to start linking with a major roads and slowly to having HSR linking to major cities that improve our standard of living. My hometown used to have children not going to school or too poor to go to school. Now not a single children miss school becos of financial problem. The poor village house now has turn into many multi storey concrete housing that install with aircon and heater. Electricity is no more luxury but neccesity. Tell me what have democracy Pakistan government did to improve the lives of millions of Pakistanis for the past 20 years? If you have government that is everyday working hard to improve the standard of citizen. Will you be a fervent fan of them? I seen the changes myself. The transformation happened. The improvement of standard of living of many ordinary citizen. A country that gives hope to everybody. As long as you are willing to work hard and contribute to the society. You will be rewarded. I seen life improve, street is safer, cleaner.


Would you be proud of such government if you have one?

 

[oprih]

The muricans and their shameless chearleaders/prostitutes are now shitting on their pants after their propaganda got exposed in this thread.

 

[oprih]

Being casted in tv shows and gaining fans is human rights abuse according to dumb muricans, dropping bombs is the right way to go.

 

[oprih]

Well done China! The people of Xinjiang, China are gaining much needed skills that they can use for jobs thanks to this program.

 

[fisher1]

Yes, I am victim of communist China. The same government who pull millions of peasant like us to middle class, the same communist who is working hard everyday to change our lives. All day, I can see small small changes happening everyday. From my very inconvenient hometown to start linking with a major roads and slowly to having HSR linking to major cities that improve our standard of living. My hometown used to have children not going to school or too poor to go to school. Now not a single children miss school becos of financial problem. The poor village house now has turn into many multi storey concrete housing that install with aircon and heater. Electricity is no more luxury but neccesity. Tell me what have democracy Pakistan government did to improve the lives of millions of Pakistanis for the past 20 years? If you have government that is everyday working hard to improve the standard of citizen. Will you be a fervent fan of them? I seen the changes myself. The transformation happened. The improvement of standard of living of many ordinary citizen. A country that gives hope to everybody. As long as you are willing to work hard and contribute to the society. You will be rewarded. I seen life improve, street is safer, cleaner.


Would you be proud of such government if you have one?

All that and you don't have freedom of speech, religion and expression. That's a very expensive price to pay for pretty much becoming a slave to the government.
Notice you said "as long as you work hard". These are not mutually exclusive btw, you can have progress while also having freedom. I think the Western developed world is a big example of that.

Maybe to you, freedom especially freedom of religion isn't valuable but majority of the world views it differently.

BTW, i don't know how this turned into a discussion on China, i actually don't have any issues with how China runs things, if their people are happy, good for them. My issue is with the Xinjiang especially where Uighurs majority live. For actions of few terrorists which could very well have been government sponsored to justify this mass imprisonment of Uighus into concentration camps. Won't be the first time a government did something like this. It's not fair to make millions suffer for actions of few.

I have dozens of them both from China and abroad, needs several pages here to post them here.

From 2019 showing Idkah mosque? Urumqi and Kashgar?

All your videos have shown are women dancing, children happy, progress this n that. Failed to see a single video which would counter the accusations that "western propaganda" are throwing and what Joe Hattab showed.

How hard is it to show people praying in Idkah mosque, the biggest mosque which can house 20k people. Surely, there must be a few people praying there?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id_Kah_Mosque

Several years back, this was Idkah Mosque

Just a year back, this happened

Oh no, where are the Muslims praying disappeared and why does the mosque look abandoned? Must be Western propaganda?

This guy must be on Uncle Sam payroll.

 

[Itachi]

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LOL, now YOU even can not sure so called 'camps/detention centers' exist, but in other hand you called other that posted here as propagandist? How about you then? Are you an Uyghur from the detention camps? or you see all happens with your OWN naked eyes? Even with no camps exist, retardist like you still pointing finger, yet you absolutely do not have hard evidence from your own experience, so who's the one are really bother with Uyghur issues by the way? It's you, and some r*t*rd here, think again HARDLY!

Reported.

@Indos does this guy seem like a false flagger? Why is he/she up in flames about this issue when the Indonesian govt. is already decided on the issue?

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LOL, now YOU even can not sure so called 'camps/detention centers' exist, but in other hand you called other that posted here as propagandist? How about you then? Are you an Uyghur from the detention camps? or you see all happens with your OWN naked eyes? Even with no camps exist, retardist like you still pointing finger, yet you absolutely do not have hard evidence from your own experience, so who's the one are really bother with Uyghur issues by the way? It's you, and some r*t*rd here, think again HARDLY!

@Dubious reported him but just wanted to let you know too.

 

[Dubious]

retardist like you still pointing finger, yet you absolutely do not have hard evidence from your own experience, so who's the one are really bother with Uyghur issues by the way? It's you, and some r*t*rd here, think again HARDLY!

Mind your language...I have never heard such disrespect from an Indonesian!

 

[Itachi]

This Uighur girl imitates a pig grunt, so she surely is not a Muslim , right? but she is Uighur.

Are they all fake??

@Arsalan talking about this.

 

[Itachi]

Mind your language...I have never heard such disrespect from an Indonesian!

Just did a quick google search. Now why would a Indonesian be on here with a Chinese name?

 

[Dubious]

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Just did a quick google search. Now why would a Indonesian be on here with a Chinese name?

There are Chinese in Indonesia!