ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Rasengan]

It is not just about going off tangent ...I am starting to think all "the good things about Chinese people and culture" we know and learnt was fabricated and is false coz none of the Chinese members on PDF have shown even a shred of such culture!

I am starting to doubt my knowledge of Chinese culture and people! Coz I dont see even a strand of humbleness!

They are humble, I have many great Chinese friends, and they have taught me a number of things on Chinese culture. Chinese people, in general, don't like direct conflict, if they were to insult someone then they will do it in a subtle manner. They don't like to bring attention to themselves. Patience is a virtue but they didn't seem to learn this lesson in school from there teachers.

 

[beijingwalker]

So they are leaving superior Chinese culture?

No culture is superior than other cultures.

 

[Rasengan]

There are some street interview videos on Youtube about how Chinese think about Pakistan, several confused Pakistan with Palestine, I agree that's rather stupid, but most people in this world are not very well learned in geography, besides, in Chinese , Pakistan and Palestine are extremly similar, 巴基斯坦-巴勒斯坦.

There are ignorant people from all societies. I want you to realize brother, most Pakistani's are in favour of China, therefore don't play into the enemies hand and distance yourself from China's relationship with Pakistan. I understand you don't like reading some of the comments, but it's your job to fight this propaganda and to show China in a positive light. I have defended China on this forum, and let me tell you it's not because of the relationship between our respective Govt's. I have many Chinese friends and I have known them for 15 years. I want to see them live safely where their children face no problem with terrorism.

When someone questions you, then answer them with facts. If they are rude then laugh at there stupidity. They can whine all they want, but it won't change the stance of our Govt's. Mark Twain was right: "Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

It's YOU that should drag your lazy ars* to Xinjiang and 'record' what do you to know directly into your brain-SEE IT for YOURSELF. DO NOT TELL Chinese poster here what to do, you're just like other poster here. Your problem is YOURS, BLAMING others not an SOLUTION.

First of all calm your *** down.
Secondly I posted a video her of someone that I trust that went to Xinjiang in ramazan and recorded the oppression. So it seems like it is a problem.
Thirdly I can do whatwhat i want. I live in a democratic and free society and belong to a free culture where I can do and say what I want, as long as it's not hate speech. I know this is hard for you to understand.

 

[Rasengan]

I am beginning to think a Humble Chinese is a myth!

Your opinion will change once you meet Chinese people in the real world instead of reading comments on a forum. Obviously, there are bad apples everywhere.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not...

If not...

1. Why should Pakistan support Hollywood? Or do you mean our Hollywood? We got Lollywood (L for Lahore)
2. We have been on and off world stage - preforming folk and pop music (less to do with facial features and more to do with talent)
3. Yes ethnics and culture is good for movies and drama we got few musicians from different backgrounds...

I was choosing facial features over dress...


You claimed they cant pray in public places even institution! When I was in Europe, I had told them I prayed 5x a day, my institute told me I am free to use any free classroom/ seminar room to pray.

When the West accuse you of oppression, this is the difference they base it on!


I think to answer this ...you can read another member's post!



That is interesting ...I know few Hakka and Fochow/ Fuzhou (I though it was just a language language also Hokkian)

You see when over 90% is 1 group (irrespective of how diverse you think that group is...it is still over 90%)

The groups I showed you of Pakistanis:

Punjabi - these can be ethnically Punjabi or another Ethnic group staying in Punjab for a few generations and therefore even the group Punjabi is diverse! And within each ethnic group of Pakistan we also have cross marriages...So you can easily find a Punjabi Kashmiri or something...some groups are like naturally mixed like Sindhi Baloch and so on...

So EACH group is diverse between OTHER groups and WITHIN the group itself! THIS is not the case when you have 90% of 1 group being diverse within yet being 1 group representing 90% is showing more homogeneity than anything! Its like 10% away from being clones!


Can you give examples with pictures of some of these "diverse" people?


This isnt accusing but pointing out something you agreed to and admitted after months of people pointing out the EXACT same thing!

As for demeaning any country...China isnt demeaned if that is how you people behave and consider a norm! I mean the West has been screaming about basic human right abuse but it is not like China has bothered to give its approach a second look! We have a saying "sharam usko atti hai jisko sharam ka pata ho" -only he / she who knows what is shame can be ashamed!


Why do you feel "bashed" for pointing out the "normal" in China? So you do know it is wrong then? Coz if it was "normal" and "ok" you would feel proud someone is pointing out what you country is doing!


I dont expect them to have adhaan...even West has no Adhaan! So that is irrelevant!

Well they used to. Dont forget thses were Islamic independent countries

When did you take that trip? Why do you take that trip too?


I have threads about Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Guangxi... tons of photos you can check.

Ethnicitis in Xinjiang alone

You can talk about it, but do you think putting every thread into that debate is good? This thread has nothing to do with what you are accusing China of doing, you just jumped in accusing China out of nowhere. The west also accused Pakistan the worst human rights and religious persecution abuser, so if you accept what they say about China, you also have to accept what they say about Pakistan.

That's sweet but you are from China so the morality falls more on you then me, to see if the oppression is real.

There are ignorant people from all societies. I want you to realize brother, most Pakistani's are in favour of China, therefore don't play into the enemies hand and distance yourself from China's relationship with Pakistan. I understand you don't like reading some of the comments, but it's your job to fight this propaganda and to show China in a positive light. I have defended China on this forum, and let me tell you it's not because of the relationship between our respective Govt's. I have many Chinese friends and I have known them for 15 years. I want to see them live safely where their children face no problem with terrorism.

When someone questions you, then answer them with facts. If they are rude then laugh at there stupidity. They can whine all they want, but it won't change the stance of our Govt's. Mark Twain was right: "Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

Have you see the stuff happening in Xinjiang? Are you aware of the realities and brutalities being faced by the muslims there? Mosques razed, graveyards razed, no praying, no fasting, no reading the Quran.

Your opinion will change once you meet Chinese people in the real world instead of reading comments on a forum. Obviously, there are bad apples everywhere.

I have met many and it's the same traits that define all of them. Ignorance and disrespect for others culture/religion

 

[Dubious]

Your opinion will change once you meet Chinese people in the real world instead of reading comments on a forum. Obviously, there are bad apples everywhere.

I have met Chinese people ...Many colleagues infact...China sends a lot of people overseas for education....some go themselves - self funded

 

[Rasengan]

Well they used to. Dont forget thses were Islamic independent countries


That's sweet but you are from China so the morality falls more on you then me, to see if the oppression is real.


Have you see the stuff happening in Xinjiang? Are you aware of the realities and brutalities being faced by the muslims there? Mosques razed, graveyards razed, no praying, no fasting, no reading the Quran.

Since I have lived, worked and travelled extensively across China, I don't need to read a western report on the country. I have prayed in a mosque, kept my fast during Ramadan in 2011 and saw Muslim's reading Quran. These accusations aren't new, they have been labelled against China for decades. Does this mean everything is great? No. There are real growing tensions between the Han and Uighur community and this needs to be resolved. The Govt needs to change some of its policies. For example, stop giving exemptions to Uighur students. They aren't getting employed because Han employees regard them as unskilled workers. There need to be more job opportunities for the Uighur community.

 

[Dubious]

No culture is superior than other cultures.

No none is...But some are stronger...people tend to diffuse into them or let it diffuse into theirs!

 

[Rasengan]

I have met many and it's the same traits that define all of them. Ignorance and disrespect for others culture/religion

You haven't met more Chinese than me. Five of my best friends are Chinese who come from Chengdu, Kunming, Dalian, Beijing and Shanghai.

I have met Chinese people ...Many colleagues infact...China sends a lot of people overseas for education....some go themselves - self funded

What was your opinion when you met those colleagues?

 

[Dubious]

For example, stop giving exemptions to Uighur students. They aren't getting employed because Han employees regard them as unskilled workers. There need to be more job opportunities for the Uighur community.

Isnt that the same as some of our Quota systems?

And we have seen the damage it does so why did China not abolish it? Our govt has been corrupt doing more for themselves than the country what's China's excuse?

2ndly, the concentration camps are so called training the Uighur community!
3rdly, MOST of the objections are for these camps!
4thly, as per China's laws you cant pray in public places, these camps are public places and people are forced to live in them so as to "reprimand them"...so if they are living in one for say 1 yr...they are not allowed to pray, fast, read Quran and practice Islam for 1 yr!

THAT is typically called brainwashing! We pray 5x a day! Imagine not doing 5 x 365 prayers! And they justify this! If these are "training centers" why are the Uighur forced to LIVE in them? Training centers have timing unlike concentration camps which are to "make you change"!

Saddest thing is, even a small display of religion lands you in these camps and labels you as a terrorism being "reprimanded"!

They are humble, I have many great Chinese friends, and they have taught me a number of things on Chinese culture. Chinese people, in general, don't like direct conflict, if they were to insult someone then they will do it in a subtle manner. They don't like to bring attention to themselves. Patience is a virtue but they didn't seem to learn this lesson in school from there teachers.

This is what I had heard and seen but the PDF Chinese are not like Chinese at all...they are more like indians!

I m quoting what questions you mean, you were talking with another Pakistani poster about asking Chinese quesitons.

I dont mean anything like what is in your brain...Quote ANY one of my post and show me where have I stated there is rape going on the camps? Just 1 post if not forever be silent coz we dont believe in liars! And as per Chinese tradition, if you lie once no one actually takes you seriously, EVER!

What was your opinion when you met those colleagues?

1. VERY quiet (unusual level)
2. low self esteem (esp when it comes to communicating in English - something similar to my Japanese colleagues)
3. never fight or argue...But they do get triggered when talking about Taiwan
4. Nice
5. Very Humble (Though Japanese are ahead in that field)
6. Kind
7. Friendly and willing to help
8. Curious and wanting to learn
9. Boasting about China

Depending on how long they have stayed in Western world....these tend to differ!

I knew few who were RICH (or claimed so)...some told me those who go to UK to study (without scholarship) usually are VERY rich! And I met a number of them in the UK!

I met some as colleagues in Europe (who had been in Western world more than 2 yrs) they were slightly different...

1. More confident
2. Less humble
3. Less nice
4. Kind
5. Friendly
6. Obnoxious
7. Agreeing China has problems (it is either they want to fit in or they realize they dont need to be defensive)

This is just my observation and some traits from the top of my head!

First of all calm your *** down.
Secondly I posted a video her of someone that I trust that went to Xinjiang in ramazan and recorded the oppression. So it seems like it is a problem.
Thirdly I can do whatwhat i want. I live in a democratic and free society and belong to a free culture where I can do and say what I want, as long as it's not hate speech. I know this is hard for you to understand.

Please dont use such language!

 

[beijingwalker]

I dont mean anything like what is in your brain...Quote ANY one of my post and show me where have I stated there is rape going on the camps? Just 1 post if not forever be silent coz we dont believe in liars! And as per Chinese tradition, if you lie once no one actually takes you seriously, EVER!

You were talking about those questions and those quesitons are there and you definitely saw them, I was quoting a discussion between you and another Pakistani poster, where did I say you personally posted all of them? You can ban me if you want to silence me, just like what did to many other Chinese posters.

 

[Dubious]

I m humbler than you at least, being defensive instead of aggressive is a kind of being humble.

If you call your attitude humble then you have no clue of the meaning of the word!

You were talking about those questions and those quesitons are there and you definitely saw them, I was quoting a discussion between you and another Pakistani poster, where did I say you personally posted all of them? You can ban me if you want to silence me, just like what did to many other Chinese posters.

It is not about silencing you- You see how your brain works?!

I never used those terms / words/ attributes...so you cant hold me responsible for them! And pointing at me and saying I "think" them when I never used them or even thought them is a lie and one who lies is a liar!

You were talking about those questions and those quesitons are there and you definitely saw them, I was quoting a discussion between you and another Pakistani poster, where did I say you personally posted all of them? You can ban me if you want to silence me, just like what did to many other Chinese posters.

Show me that post that you claim I was talking to another Pakistani about rape?! Please do quote it!

This is your post:

Yes, concentration camps, torture, rape, organ harvest, genocide... Good questions to start with. US "questions" the same, do you know that? and they didn't go down very well either with you guys.

In rely to this post:

The MAJOR problem is they consider QUESTIONING synonym to "INSULTING"..with such attitudes...NOTHING is communicable!

Please show me how you came to that conclusion? I only ever talked about concentration camps and your brain just jumped a mile away just so you can blame me and start a fight?!

 

[beijingwalker]

Show me that post that you claim I was talking to another Pakistani about rape?! Please do quote it!

You were talking about Pakistani ask Chinese questions, not insults, I was list some of the question you guys raised to us.

 

[Dubious]

You were talking about Pakistani ask Chinese questions, not insults, I was list some of the question you guys raised to us.

You yourself said we each are responsible only for our own words..Now you imply that just coz someone else is asking xyz I somehow am asking the same?

As for those guys who claim that...How many are there from 200 million of us?