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India is a classic definition of fascism.

They sincerely believe that they are a superior race. They think they own land from Afghanistan to Tibet and all the way to Myanmar.

Now Xinjiang and Tibet are their targets with complete support from West. Hope Chinese intelligence community is well aware of this sinister plot.
Undeniably, China is committing Genocide on Uyghur Muslims

If you are an american, you are least qualified to even speak of genocide. Your very civilization is based on a undeniable genocide of the natives.
 
India is a classic definition of fascism.

They sincerely believe that they are a superior race. They think they own land from Afghanistan to Tibet and all the way to Myanmar.

Now Xinjiang and Tibet are their targets with complete support from West. Hope Chinese intelligence community is well aware of this sinister plot.


If you are an american, you are least qualified to even speak of genocide. Your very civilization is based on a undeniable genocide of the natives.

Here's my question for you. Forget me and what you think of us. I'm curious to know at what point did you go that it was better to sell out your fellow Muslims and their genocide at the hands of the Chinese (and this is not one-body saying, this ten's of multiples of studies, investigations that are all concluding the same), just so that you could stand up to India/ America/whoever else?

... I don't get it; how your hatred for America makes you sell out your fellow Muslim's genocide and discount their plight when it comes to holding China accountable? It's like someone saying, "I'm going to let my people burn to spite my neighbor."
 
Adrian Zenz, a leading China scholar

I am curious how much money they made for this.Propaganda is so straightforward.It feels like an Indian telecom scam, with an undisguised Indian accent, almost a stupid victim. But as long as there are enough times, you can always meet the deceived person.
 
Adrian Zenz, a leading China scholar

I am curious how much money they made for this.Propaganda is so straightforward.It feels like an Indian telecom scam, with an undisguised Indian accent, almost a stupid victim. But as long as there are enough times, you can always meet the deceived person.

All stats taken from China Statiscal Yearbook


Vox is a website that was extremely critical of racism in USA and Trump..
 
Here's my question for you. Forget me and what you think of us. I'm curious to know at what point did you go that it was better to sell out your fellow Muslims and their genocide at the hands of the Chinese (and this is not one-body saying, this ten's of multiples of studies, investigations that are all concluding the same), just so that you could stand up to India/ America/whoever else?

... I don't get it; how your hatred for America makes you sell out your fellow Muslim's genocide and discount their plight when it comes to holding China accountable? It's like someone saying, "I'm going to let my people burn to spite my neighbor."

Facts remain the same. US and its institutions are not qualified to make any judgement or even pretend to worry about the muslim cause. America's stellar record vis a vis muslim countries is enough.

American objectives are purely political and are least concerned about the well being of a particular community.

Hate for US? There is no hate for American people. US establishment is what antagonizes many.

Fascist india s irrelevant here. May an asteroid hit that land of filth. (Amen)
He is not American. It's a little brown Pajeet draped in US flag.

Thanks, didn't know. Wont reply to this individual again.
 

All stats taken from China Statiscal Yearbook


Vox is a website that was extremely critical of racism in USA and Trump..
So, did larger-scale genocides occur in Beijing, Shanghai, Liaoning, Tianjin, Jilin, and all other areas where the birth rate was lower than Xinjiang?

Or maybe it's just the first batch of only children entering the childbearing age.

Or is Xinjiang's rapid urbanization caused the decline of young people's willingness to have children?

Does the lower fertility rate in developed countries such as Japan, South Korea, and Western Europe mean that they have also experienced mass genocide?
 
So, did larger-scale genocides occur in Beijing, Shanghai, Liaoning, Tianjin, Jilin, and all other areas where the birth rate was lower than Xinjiang?

Or maybe it's just the first batch of only children entering the childbearing age.

Or is Xinjiang's rapid urbanization caused the decline of young people's willingness to have children?

Does the lower fertility rate in developed countries such as Japan, South Korea, and Western Europe mean that they have also experienced mass genocide?

the drastic change from one yr to next is the issue
 
Facts remain the same. US and its institutions are not qualified to make any judgement or even pretend to worry about the muslim cause. America's stellar record vis a vis muslim countries is enough.

American objectives are purely political and are least concerned about the well being of a particular community.

Hate for US? There is no hate for American people. US establishment is what antagonizes many.

Fascist india s irrelevant here. May an asteroid hit that land of filth. (Amen)


Thanks, didn't know. Wont reply to this individual again.

Let's just say for the sake of it, everything you've proscribed bad about America is true. I still have the same question- what does America have to do with you selling out your fellow Muslims and their genocide at the hand of Chinese?
 
Data from China's Offcial Statistics Yearbook has been used in this report
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Uyghurs leave a mosque after prayers in Hotan, a town in China’s northwest Xinjiang region, in 2019. Greg Baker/AFP/Getty Images
China’s genocide against the Uyghurs, in 4 disturbing charts
From internment camps to mass sterilization, here’s why the ethnic minority’s birthrate is plunging.
By Sigal Samuel Mar 10, 2021, 8:30am EST

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China is responsible for an “ongoing genocide” against its Uyghur ethnic minority, according to the first independent legal analysis of the situation undertaken by a nongovernmental organization. The report, published this week by the Newlines Institute for Strategy and Policy think tank in Washington, DC, brought together the findings of 50 experts in human rights and international law.
Governments around the world are also increasingly declaring that China’s persecution of Uyghurs constitutes genocide. The United States applied that label in January, and the Canadian and Dutch parliaments followed suit in February.
It’s taken three years to get to this point. In 2018, when journalists like myself started reporting that China was putting Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities in internment camps, experts said we shouldn’t call it genocide — yet.
Though they said the camp system’s forced indoctrination and family separation may amount to cultural genocide, there wasn’t enough evidence to show that China’s actions met the United Nations’ definition of demographic genocide. Besides, advocates were having a hard enough time convincing the world that China was detaining a million people in camps without trial.

That’s changed. China’s persecution of the Uyghurs — a mostly Muslim ethnic minority that Beijing paints as a separatist and terrorist threat — is now well established. Several survivors have reported enduring torture in the camps. We’ve also learned that China transfers many of the detainees to factories across the country to perform forced labor. There’s evidence that this forced labor has leached into the global supply chain for products we all use, from companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon.
The new report says that the Chinese government’s actions have violated “each and every act” prohibited by the UN Genocide Convention, namely: killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the group’s physical destruction, forcibly transferring children to another group, and imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
Evidence that China is breaching that last prohibition has come in recent months from Uyghur testimonies as well as the Chinese government’s own statistics about Xinjiang, the northwestern region where Uyghurs are concentrated.
Take a look at this chart compiled using data from the China Statistical Yearbook (and originally tweeted by an Australian data analyst in slightly different form). The x-axis shows the year and the y-axis shows the number of births per 1,000 people. We can see that in Xinjiang, the birthrate has halved in two years.
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Adrian Zenz, a leading China scholar and senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation in Washington, DC, added that the “natural population growth decline, which started in 2016/17, is even more shocking when you differentiate minority counties in Xinjiang from counties with a predominantly Han population.”
In a report released last summer, Zenz showed — using data from the Xinjiang Statistical Yearbooks — that between 2015 and 2018, population growth in the largely Uyghur areas of Kashgar and Hotan fell by a staggering 84 percent.
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Adrian Zenz
This wasn’t only because China was splitting up Uyghur couples by sending some individuals to the camps. It was also slashing the Uyghur birthrate with the use of policies like mass sterilization and forced IUD implantation.
In 2014, a little over 200,000 IUDs were inserted in Xinjiang. That number rose to almost 330,000 IUDs by 2018 — a rise of more than 60 percent.
Meanwhile, the rates of IUD use elsewhere in China dropped, as you can see in this chart compiled using data from China’s official Annual Health and Hygiene Statistical Yearbooks. The y-axis shows the number of IUD placements per 100,000 people.
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Adrian Zenz
Zenz’s report explained how the government arranged to subject women to this abusive treatment in their home communities: “Documents from 2019 reveal plans for a campaign of mass female sterilization … Xinjiang planned to subject at least 80 percent of women of childbearing age in the rural southern four minority prefectures to intrusive birth prevention surgeries (IUDs or sterilizations), with actual shares likely being much higher.”
He also pointed out that “budget figures indicate that this project had sufficient funding for performing hundreds of thousands of tubal ligation sterilization procedures in 2019 and 2020, with at least one region receiving additional central government funding.”

After Zenz published the report, the Xinjiang government denied that forced sterilization or genocide was taking place. Instead, it told CNN that the plunging birthrate was due to “comprehensive implementation of the family planning policy.” As CNN explained:

Although the government denied the role of forced sterilization and claimed that compliance with family planning policies is voluntary, Zenz responded that it was not very likely that “17 times more women spontaneously wanted to be sterilized.”
Take a look at this chart, compiled using data from China’s Health and Hygiene Statistical Yearbooks. The y-axis shows the number of sterilizations per 100,000 people.
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Adrian Zenz
China’s own documents seem to rebut its official denials. They show that as the network of camps grew, women were threatened with internment if they violated the birth control policies for rural Uyghurs (maximum three kids per family). One government document from May 2018, cited in Zenz’s report, said that women with too many kids must “both adopt birth control measures with long-term effectiveness and be subjected to vocational skills education and training.”
In other words, they’d get sterilizations or IUDs, plus time in an internment camp.

And in fact, in Xinjiang’s “Karakax List” — a leaked government document that details the reasons why hundreds of people were interned — childbearing violations were the most commonly cited reason for internment.
Uyghur survivors speak out on reproductive and sexual violence
In recent months, several Uyghur survivors have testified that the camps themselves have become sites of sterilization by injection, forced IUD implantation, and forced abortion.
Tursunay Ziyawudun, who spent nine months inside the camp system, told the Associated Press that she was given injections and kicked repeatedly in the stomach. Now, she no longer gets her period and can’t have children. (The AP obtained Xinjiang hospital slides revealing that pregnancy prevention injections, including with Depo-Provera, are a commonly used measure for family planning.) Ziyawudun also said a “teacher” at the camp told the women that if they were found to be pregnant, they would have to get abortions.
Survivors are also coming forward with accounts of sexual abuse and torture in the camps. In new interviews obtained by the BBC, they talk about public gang rapes, about electrified sticks that are inserted into women, about male officials picking the prettiest young women and taking them to a “black room” where there are no surveillance cameras.
Ziyawudun told the BBC that in May 2018, she and a cellmate in her 20s were taken at night to separate rooms. “The woman took me to the room next to where the other girl had been taken in. They had an electric stick, I didn’t know what it was, and it was pushed inside my genital tract, torturing me with an electric shock.”
She was brought back to her cell, and later, her cellmate returned too. “The girl became completely different after that, she wouldn’t speak to anyone, she sat quietly staring as if in a trance,” Ziyawudun said. “There were many people in those cells who lost their minds.”
The interviews are hard to read. And the charts above — which show a people whose numbers are in stark decline — are hard to look at. But it’s important to witness what China is doing to its Uyghur population. It has been largely neglected by the public, yet it looms as one of the most horrifying humanitarian crises in the world today.
Perhaps one of the reasons people have turned away from this crisis is because it’s hard to know what to do about it, given China’s economic might and political power. However, there are promising US bills to keep an eye on, including a new one seeking to expedite refugee applications from Uyghurs, as well as worthy advocacy groups and schools helping Uyghurs keep their culture alive.
Watch: China’s secret internment camps





Awesome share....I'm bookmarking it as evidence. :enjoy:

Hindutvadi india is not even qualified to utter a sound against China or anyone for that matter.

Hindu fascism is the mother of all forms of fascist ideologies. Their very symbol tells the whole story.

I'm pretty sure @Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8 isn't one of those normal Sanghi types...

Doing something bad also doesn't absolve someone of the right to point out similar things in others...

Just look at your Iron Brother below your post.....he pulls a fast one by trying to distract us by saying that India does the same thing.........like does that make China less of a criminal??




Keep the topic on China. There are already tons of threads on PDF discussing what happens to Indian Muslims.....we're all very acutely aware of that.

What doesn't get mentioned is what China does...

Also, India doing the similar things doesn't make China look any better. :rolleyes:
 
Awesome share....I'm bookmarking it as evidence. :enjoy:



I'm pretty sure @Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8 isn't one of those normal Sanghi types...

Doing something bad also doesn't absolve someone of the right to point out similar things in others...

Just look at your Iron Brother below your post.....he pulls a fast one by trying to distract us by saying that India does the same thing.........like does that make China less of a criminal??




Keep the topic on China. There are already tons of threads on PDF discussing what happens to Indian Muslims.....we're all very acutely aware of that.

What doesn't get mentioned is what China does...

Also, India doing the similar things doesn't make China look any better. :rolleyes:

Comparison with india will always be there. Why should a hindutvadi qualify to even utter a word on muslim rights? Its like Nazis complaining about anti antisemitism in the US.

Now in Pakistani context. Has China killed a million muslims as was the case in 1947? Did China invade East Pakistan? Is China fanning terrorism in Pakistan? Is China occupying kashmir? Is it bombing it like gaza?

If the choice is between China and the ideological and civilizational enemy of Pakistan and muslims which is by far the hindu state of india one would easily choose China.

And yes China is an iron brother. It has proven it time and gain.
 
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