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Does not matter what you believe or not, PAF credited a JF17 pilot for the MIG21 kill. End of Story.
All Pakistani F-16s are accounted for: US Govt buries Indian propaganda.
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Does not matter what you believe or not, PAF credited a JF17 pilot for the MIG21 kill. End of Story.
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They are still going on about two pilot theory.
There is another one in the air now - that the aircraft shot down was JF-17, not F-16.
I suppose it is impossible to convince some people, no matter what one does.
There is another one in the air now - that the aircraft shot down was JF-17, not F-16.
I suppose it is impossible to convince some people, no matter what one does.
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Stick to the topic at hand please. Here are some facts from recent conflict.
Confirmed by sources:
-trees and a crow destroyed by Indian surgical strike in balakot due to in time interception by PAF
-6 or more ground targets locked and then bombs were dropped in contiguous are to avoid casualty
-mig21 killed tea served
-scorpene class submarine detected and made to surface and ran back with tail between its legs
-Mi17 Heli down by indian own missile.
-Modi is inherently tiny
Hopefully soon to be confirmed. I believe it now:
SU30 killed.
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Na na , they did shot down and F-16, PAF painted F-16 on one of there JF-17's and showed that to the Americans
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/did-india-shoot-down-a-pakistani-jet-u-s-count-says-no/
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U.S. Arms Sales and Defense Trade
Fact Sheet
Bureau of Political-Military Affairs
February 4, 2019
The United States is committed to strengthening allies and partners worldwide so that they meet their own legitimate self-defense needs and can improve their capabilities to operate beside U.S. forces to address shared security challenges. The U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs (PM) oversees most government-to-government arms transfers and the commercial export licensing of U.S.-origin defense equipment and technologies, consistent with the Arms Export Control Act, the Conventional Arms Transfer Policy, the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, and other statutory authorities and relevant international agreements.
Arms sales and defense trade are key tools of foreign policy with potential long-term implications for regional security. For this reason, the United States takes into account political, military, economic, arms control, and human rights conditions in making decisions on the provision of military equipment and the licensing of direct commercial sales to any country. Each proposed transfer is carefully assessed on a case-by-case basis and approved only if found to further U.S. foreign policy and national security interests. In addition, major defense transfers and sales may be subject to Congressional notification.
Review and monitoring are integral components of the process for U.S.-origin defense equipment delivered to any recipient nation. The United States works to ensure U.S.-origin defense equipment is being used in the manner intended and consistent with the agreement or licenses under which the arms were transferred. The United States is committed to expediting, when possible, defense transfers to U.S. allies and partners, while at the same time seeking to prevent access to U.S.-origin defense technologies by hostile state and non-state actors. Recipients of U.S.-origin defense articles must agree to make items available for end-use monitoring for the life of the equipment and may not retransfer equipment to a third party without first receiving U.S. authorization.
Properly regulated defense transfers support the U.S. defense industrial base and reduce the costs of procurement for our own military. The U.S. defense industry directly employs almost 2.5 million people across our nation. These individuals and the companies they work for represent a key part of American entrepreneurship and innovation, helping to maintain the United States’ status as the world leader in the defense and aerospace sectors and ensuring our armed forces maintain their military edge.
FOREIGN MILITARY SALES (FMS)
Under FMS, the United States government manages the transfer of approximately $40 billion per year in defense equipment purchased by foreign allies and partners. PM’s Office of Regional Security and Arms Transfers (PM/RSAT) manages the FMS process, in close partnership with the Department of Defense’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA), which implements FMS cases by working through the military services to negotiate with U.S. defense contractors. PM/RSAT further manages the FMS process by providing the customer with training, sustainment, and contractor logistics support for the lifetime of the sale.
The FMS sales process begins when a country submits a formal Letter of Request that specifies a desired military capability and a rough price. Sales are approved following U.S. government review and, when required, after Congressional notification. After the sale is approved, the DSCA issues a Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) that specifies the exact defense articles, training, and support to be delivered.
Processing time for FMS cases may vary; they can take months to negotiate, especially for major defense articles that require modifications to standard U.S. systems. Due primarily to the time required for construction of sophisticated defense systems such as fighter aircraft, countries often do not receive delivery of the full package until years after the LOA is finalized. Major FMS sales that have been formally notified to Congress are publicly announced on the DSCA website: http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales.
DIRECT COMMERCIAL SALES (DCS):
Under DCS, PM’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls provides regulatory approvals for more than $110 billion per year in sales of defense equipment, services, and related manufacturing technologies controlled under the 21 categories of the U.S. Munitions List (USML). These sales are negotiated privately between foreign end-users and U.S. companies.
Under U.S. law, any U.S. company or individual involved in certain activities involving the items enumerated on the USML is required to receive an approved export license or other approval before providing any USML regulated item, technical data, or service to a foreign end-user.
As with FMS, export licenses approved under DCS are approved following an intensive U.S. government review and, as required, after Congressional notification. Export licenses are valid up to four years. Authorizations for defense services are also required and may last for longer timeframes. Licenses and authorizations may be extended or amended as needed.
DCS cases are considered to be proprietary agreements between the foreign governments or companies and the U.S. defense contractor. However, certain information about cases notified to Congress is published quarterly in the Federal Register, in fulfillment of requirements in the Arms Export Control Act.
For further information, please contact the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs at PM-CPA@state.gov, and follow the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs on Twitter, @StateDeptPM.
https://www.state.gov/t/pm/rls/fs/2019/288737.htm
Fact Sheet
Bureau of Political-Military Affairs
February 4, 2019
The United States is committed to strengthening allies and partners worldwide so that they meet their own legitimate self-defense needs and can improve their capabilities to operate beside U.S. forces to address shared security challenges. The U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs (PM) oversees most government-to-government arms transfers and the commercial export licensing of U.S.-origin defense equipment and technologies, consistent with the Arms Export Control Act, the Conventional Arms Transfer Policy, the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, and other statutory authorities and relevant international agreements.
Arms sales and defense trade are key tools of foreign policy with potential long-term implications for regional security. For this reason, the United States takes into account political, military, economic, arms control, and human rights conditions in making decisions on the provision of military equipment and the licensing of direct commercial sales to any country. Each proposed transfer is carefully assessed on a case-by-case basis and approved only if found to further U.S. foreign policy and national security interests. In addition, major defense transfers and sales may be subject to Congressional notification.
Review and monitoring are integral components of the process for U.S.-origin defense equipment delivered to any recipient nation. The United States works to ensure U.S.-origin defense equipment is being used in the manner intended and consistent with the agreement or licenses under which the arms were transferred. The United States is committed to expediting, when possible, defense transfers to U.S. allies and partners, while at the same time seeking to prevent access to U.S.-origin defense technologies by hostile state and non-state actors. Recipients of U.S.-origin defense articles must agree to make items available for end-use monitoring for the life of the equipment and may not retransfer equipment to a third party without first receiving U.S. authorization.
Properly regulated defense transfers support the U.S. defense industrial base and reduce the costs of procurement for our own military. The U.S. defense industry directly employs almost 2.5 million people across our nation. These individuals and the companies they work for represent a key part of American entrepreneurship and innovation, helping to maintain the United States’ status as the world leader in the defense and aerospace sectors and ensuring our armed forces maintain their military edge.
FOREIGN MILITARY SALES (FMS)
Under FMS, the United States government manages the transfer of approximately $40 billion per year in defense equipment purchased by foreign allies and partners. PM’s Office of Regional Security and Arms Transfers (PM/RSAT) manages the FMS process, in close partnership with the Department of Defense’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA), which implements FMS cases by working through the military services to negotiate with U.S. defense contractors. PM/RSAT further manages the FMS process by providing the customer with training, sustainment, and contractor logistics support for the lifetime of the sale.
The FMS sales process begins when a country submits a formal Letter of Request that specifies a desired military capability and a rough price. Sales are approved following U.S. government review and, when required, after Congressional notification. After the sale is approved, the DSCA issues a Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) that specifies the exact defense articles, training, and support to be delivered.
Processing time for FMS cases may vary; they can take months to negotiate, especially for major defense articles that require modifications to standard U.S. systems. Due primarily to the time required for construction of sophisticated defense systems such as fighter aircraft, countries often do not receive delivery of the full package until years after the LOA is finalized. Major FMS sales that have been formally notified to Congress are publicly announced on the DSCA website: http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales.
DIRECT COMMERCIAL SALES (DCS):
Under DCS, PM’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls provides regulatory approvals for more than $110 billion per year in sales of defense equipment, services, and related manufacturing technologies controlled under the 21 categories of the U.S. Munitions List (USML). These sales are negotiated privately between foreign end-users and U.S. companies.
Under U.S. law, any U.S. company or individual involved in certain activities involving the items enumerated on the USML is required to receive an approved export license or other approval before providing any USML regulated item, technical data, or service to a foreign end-user.
As with FMS, export licenses approved under DCS are approved following an intensive U.S. government review and, as required, after Congressional notification. Export licenses are valid up to four years. Authorizations for defense services are also required and may last for longer timeframes. Licenses and authorizations may be extended or amended as needed.
DCS cases are considered to be proprietary agreements between the foreign governments or companies and the U.S. defense contractor. However, certain information about cases notified to Congress is published quarterly in the Federal Register, in fulfillment of requirements in the Arms Export Control Act.
For further information, please contact the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs at PM-CPA@state.gov, and follow the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs on Twitter, @StateDeptPM.
https://www.state.gov/t/pm/rls/fs/2019/288737.htm
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Haha. Even turkey can't turn a B model to D...
oska bhe elaj ho gia.
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1st time? How old is this aunty?
Looks like they dont feel embarrassed when they shoot Kashmiri children...beghairiti ki intaha!
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Unnamed sources.
Where is DoD, Pentagon, Avengers etc printed alongside the "sources"?
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YE indians nahi mane ge kabhi.typical
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India has always been a laughing stock but it is first time they have realized this I think.
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Pakistani media is just too free to hide incidents like '350 terrorists' killed by the Indian strike or an F16 shot down inside Pakistani territory. Shame on the Indian military high officials who were made to lie so blatantly in public!!
Seriously, I will find it extremely hard to believe just about anything Indian officials will say in the future WRT foreign policy; for that matter, most of Indian media.
If Pakistan has a 'deep state' then India has an even deeper state to the utter depths of Hades and the Indian media is in cahoot with that state.
Shame, shame, shame! They could have just said that they did a symbolic strike on an empty place near Balakot. But, as Maj. General Ghafoor said on Feb. 26: "It is said in Urdu language that a wise enemy is better than an unwise friend. In case of Pakistan, unfortunately, our enemy India is unwise and a liar". Historic words!
Seriously, I will find it extremely hard to believe just about anything Indian officials will say in the future WRT foreign policy; for that matter, most of Indian media.
If Pakistan has a 'deep state' then India has an even deeper state to the utter depths of Hades and the Indian media is in cahoot with that state.
Shame, shame, shame! They could have just said that they did a symbolic strike on an empty place near Balakot. But, as Maj. General Ghafoor said on Feb. 26: "It is said in Urdu language that a wise enemy is better than an unwise friend. In case of Pakistan, unfortunately, our enemy India is unwise and a liar". Historic words!
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Some Indian members on this forum are trying to make a stupid excuse that shot down F 16 was part of the batch bought from Jordan. Lara has confirmed that all are accounted for, in response to a twit by a Pakistan.
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yet same indians buying American products when old Russian products can do the job why waste money?
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Exactly,Now Russia should count all of its SU-30 MKI and make it public.
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