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So,
Should we blame the technology or the trainers?
Should we blame the technology or the trainers?
ALH Dhruv Crashes At Ecuador Military Parade
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Are you sure about that Graphican ?
It must have given immense pleasure to many of our Pakistani members to see the ALH crash. It doesnt matter what could be the reason for the crash. Why on earth wait for an investigation when its so much fun to blame it all on those stupid good-for-nothing Indian scientists right? If this makes you sleep well... then good for you!
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Ecuador suspends Indian-built helicopters
An Indian-built Dhruv, or Advanced Light Helicopter, has crashed at a military parade in Quito, Ecuador. Both the pilots of the helicopter are safe. The helicopter was one of seven sold by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to the Ecuadorian Armed Forces for 45 million dollars. As a result of the accident, the government has suspended the use of the remaining 6 helicopters, which includes the one used by Ecuador's President, Rafael Correa.
The helicopter crashed as Ecuadorean Armed Forcese were celebrating their 89th anniversary. Eye witnesses said the aircraft was flying in military formation when a fire began in the back portion of the helicopter and it started to spiral toward the ground. Firemen arrived at the scene immediately and put out the flames.
Central Chronicle - Madhya Pradesh's News Portal
An Indian-built Dhruv, or Advanced Light Helicopter, has crashed at a military parade in Quito, Ecuador. Both the pilots of the helicopter are safe. The helicopter was one of seven sold by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to the Ecuadorian Armed Forces for 45 million dollars. As a result of the accident, the government has suspended the use of the remaining 6 helicopters, which includes the one used by Ecuador's President, Rafael Correa.
The helicopter crashed as Ecuadorean Armed Forcese were celebrating their 89th anniversary. Eye witnesses said the aircraft was flying in military formation when a fire began in the back portion of the helicopter and it started to spiral toward the ground. Firemen arrived at the scene immediately and put out the flames.
Central Chronicle - Madhya Pradesh's News Portal
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Eyewitnesses, including some journalists, have testified to the Board of Inquiry that they saw a fire break out near the Dhruv's tail stem, after which the helicopter rolled abruptly to port 60-degrees and began losing altitude. At this point, the helicopter was about 300-metres from the airport's hangar area.
Ecuador's air chief General Rodrigo Bohorquez has been quoted as saying that the accident occured "because the turn was very long" and that the pilot "oversteered" the helicopter.
The pilot Luis Armas, who has 197 hours logged on the Dhruv, was trained in India in December 2008. Co-pilot Ivan Abril has logged 107 hours on the Dhruv so far.
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Eyewitnesses, including some journalists, have testified to the Board of Inquiry that they saw a fire break out near the Dhruv's tail stem, after which the helicopter rolled abruptly to port 60-degrees and began losing altitude. At this point, the helicopter was about 300-metres from the airport's hangar area.
Ecuador's air chief General Rodrigo Bohorquez has been quoted as saying that the accident occured "because the turn was very long" and that the pilot "oversteered" the helicopter.
The pilot Luis Armas, who has 197 hours logged on the Dhruv, was trained in India in December 2008. Co-pilot Ivan Abril has logged 107 hours on the Dhruv so far.
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Welcome - Times Of India ePaper
Ecuador pilots liked ALH copter
Prashanth G N | TNN
Bangalore: Even as the Indiaexported ALH copter crashed in Ecuador and two pilots were injured on Tuesday, Ecuador pilots had told Indian officials that handlability, sophisticated technology and easy manouvreability was why they were thrilled with Indias Advanced Light Helicopter.
ALHs to Ecuador was the first export order for HAL
which presented eight ALHs to Ecuador in what is estimated to be a $ 65 million dollar contract. The first three ALHs were given to Ecuador at the Aero India 2009 air show at Yelahanka air base and five later. Based on the interest shown by Ecuador, Chile too was keen on purchasing the helicopter. Chiles order was expected to be the second export order but the deal has reportedly been stalled.
Each ALH is roughly put at eight and a half million dollars taking into account the operating cost of a single machine with averages having been worked out between the two countries over cost.
Ecuadors agreement to buy the ALH comes in the wake of a positive response to the series of tests carried out in South America. The ALH has been tested in extreme cold conditions, the South American tropical and desert conditionsand has withstood the new atmosphere, a defence official had told TOI.
Ecuadorian pilots after their training were so excited that they are reported to have requested authorities to place additional orders from HAL. Indian pilots are sharing their expertise with Ecuador pilots in the settlingin of the aircraft in Ecuador.
Defence officials had said once the copters exhibited consistency and durability in the initial operation period in Ecuador, orders from other countries should come. It is word of mouth. If the machine settles in well, naturally theyd recommend it to their neighbours. Were hoping everything will go according to plan, a top official said.
HAL REACTION
An HAL spokesperson told TOI that an expert ALH team was already looking into how and why the crash happened. The team has been stationed there to work with the Ecuador pilots to enable them to get a complete hold on the machine. The team is assisting the investigatioon process. At this juncture it would be premature to comment on the reasons for the crash.
Ecuador pilots liked ALH copter
Prashanth G N | TNN
Bangalore: Even as the Indiaexported ALH copter crashed in Ecuador and two pilots were injured on Tuesday, Ecuador pilots had told Indian officials that handlability, sophisticated technology and easy manouvreability was why they were thrilled with Indias Advanced Light Helicopter.
ALHs to Ecuador was the first export order for HAL
which presented eight ALHs to Ecuador in what is estimated to be a $ 65 million dollar contract. The first three ALHs were given to Ecuador at the Aero India 2009 air show at Yelahanka air base and five later. Based on the interest shown by Ecuador, Chile too was keen on purchasing the helicopter. Chiles order was expected to be the second export order but the deal has reportedly been stalled.
Each ALH is roughly put at eight and a half million dollars taking into account the operating cost of a single machine with averages having been worked out between the two countries over cost.
Ecuadors agreement to buy the ALH comes in the wake of a positive response to the series of tests carried out in South America. The ALH has been tested in extreme cold conditions, the South American tropical and desert conditionsand has withstood the new atmosphere, a defence official had told TOI.
Ecuadorian pilots after their training were so excited that they are reported to have requested authorities to place additional orders from HAL. Indian pilots are sharing their expertise with Ecuador pilots in the settlingin of the aircraft in Ecuador.
Defence officials had said once the copters exhibited consistency and durability in the initial operation period in Ecuador, orders from other countries should come. It is word of mouth. If the machine settles in well, naturally theyd recommend it to their neighbours. Were hoping everything will go according to plan, a top official said.
HAL REACTION
An HAL spokesperson told TOI that an expert ALH team was already looking into how and why the crash happened. The team has been stationed there to work with the Ecuador pilots to enable them to get a complete hold on the machine. The team is assisting the investigatioon process. At this juncture it would be premature to comment on the reasons for the crash.
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The thread is already open.
Please merge.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...r-crashes-during-military-parade-equador.html
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Please merge.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...r-crashes-during-military-parade-equador.html
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So... let me summarize the crash -
1) The pilots walked away from the crash (it says a lot about Dhruv's safety features).
2) The pilots involved in the crash themselves made a statement later that they love the Dhruv helicopter.
3) The commanding general of the Ecuadorian Air Force (FAE), Rodrigo Bohorquez, said that the "28 helicopters bought from India met all the requirements requested for purchase".
Link <br>Descarta Ecuador adquisición irregular de helicópteros de India
http://www.poder360.com/dailynews_detail.php?blurbid=3218
4) Till now, Ecuador itself has pointed out three possible causes of crash including pilot error, mechanical failure or environmental factors.
Even though the main causes of the crash are yet to be determined, some members here have been jumping to conclusions and making silly remarks. Lame.
1) The pilots walked away from the crash (it says a lot about Dhruv's safety features).
2) The pilots involved in the crash themselves made a statement later that they love the Dhruv helicopter.
3) The commanding general of the Ecuadorian Air Force (FAE), Rodrigo Bohorquez, said that the "28 helicopters bought from India met all the requirements requested for purchase".
Link <br>Descarta Ecuador adquisición irregular de helicópteros de India
http://www.poder360.com/dailynews_detail.php?blurbid=3218
4) Till now, Ecuador itself has pointed out three possible causes of crash including pilot error, mechanical failure or environmental factors.
Even though the main causes of the crash are yet to be determined, some members here have been jumping to conclusions and making silly remarks. Lame.
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Are you sure about that Graphican ?
It must have given immense pleasure to many of our Pakistani members to see the ALH crash. It doesnt matter what could be the reason for the crash. Why on earth wait for an investigation when its so much fun to blame it all on those stupid good-for-nothing Indian scientists right? If this makes you sleep well... then good for you!
That was tit for tat! my bad! 
Sure, its fun to see you guys spending billions of dollars for something that doesn't work. I have kind of developed some love for DRDO and HAL
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Sure, its fun to see you guys spending billions of dollars for something that doesn't work. I have kind of developed some love for DRDO and HAL :azn:
No one knows why it crashed, so you might want to hang on to your horses.
Even if it was a technical failure its not like HAL will give up, they'll rectify it and move on, failure is only the first step to success. Don't worry about India wasting its money, I think we can afford to splurge a little bit at the moment.
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this is very embarrassing for HAL.
Their first export worthy product crashing in foreign lands and that to in a ceremonial event.
Ecuador has grounded it's entire Dhruv fleet...till further investigations.
Their first export worthy product crashing in foreign lands and that to in a ceremonial event.
Ecuador has grounded it's entire Dhruv fleet...till further investigations.
Name one aircraft or helicopter that has never crashed.
There is no such thing as a perfect product. More to be learnt from a single crash than a 1000 hours of normal operations.
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Though its bad from marketing perspective as far as HAL is concerned...However investigations are on...May be it was a Pilot error...if not there will be new things to learn and i am sure glitches will be fixed...but as far as bad publicity goes...look at this news.. 
Ecuador to India: Take back your choppers
Seems like HAL has to work even more harder to prove its worth...though i like this part the most in above link ..
Ecuador to India: Take back your choppers
Seems like HAL has to work even more harder to prove its worth...though i like this part the most in above link ..
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And... even if this crash did occur due to a mechanical failure, this would be the first such crash of a Dhruv helicopter.
Till date, only 1 more Dhruv helicopter crashed which was due to pilot error (and till date the only Dhruv incident which has involved deaths). 2 Dhruvs experienced hard landings but there was no permanent damage.
So... Dhruvs have a decent track record.
So,
Should we blame the technology or the trainers?
How about nobody ??
It was an accident. HAL would probably learn from this accident a great deal and possibly rectify the defects if any.
Besides, the maneuvers that the Ecuadorians were doing were not very extreme either. The Dhrv helicopter acrobatics team was much more impressive in their maneuvers!
The Indians would have noticed such a glaring flaw if there was a mechanical failure much earlier!
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