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Only genocide(genocide in late 20th century in Europe) that happened in BiH was when members of Muslim Srebrnica brigade killed more than 3000 thousand of Serbian children, women and elders around Srebrenica especially in Bratunac area.

Today there is no more information blockade and propaganda in mass media from west is not any more successful like it was in 1990's(for example BBC and CNN) in times of war in former Yugoslavia and propaganda used then is not so easy to do because there is a lot of alternative media and people who want should know the true about event in that time.

But of course in modern ages of internet there is trolls from in many internet media who only know to repeat one propaganda cliche without any arguments. And I petty them. To tell that Albanians are Illyrians is the same as Macedonians(Skoplje) in Macedonia would claims that they are Greeks or parts of Montenegro's population claims that they are not Serbs it is all political wrongdoing of Communist that tried to control population and erase nations and create new because it was easier to control and manipulate them. Today you could see that in Ukraine a state that never existed in past and were they are trying to impose nonexistent Ukrainian history to all population and to ban Russian language and assimilate Russians and convert them to Ukrainians but like in Montenegro that is not going to happens.

If you believe in such a propaganda against Serbs how do you explain that after NATO declared that most Serbian army was destroyed in Serbia in 1999 all that "destroyed" technique was pictured intact?

And that is just one example and in Srebrenica so called "genocide" case (read in international law definitions what is genocide first) if you look closer you will not find that women or children where NOT killed and all actually killed were military able man(most of them from Srebrenica brigade) and that some "killed" are actually live and many buried in Srebrenica are killed in other areas of BiH but brought to Srebrenica to increase number of dead and PROPAGANDA effects. Yes there was some crimes and revenge for Bratunac in Srebrenica killings of mulim man but not genocide and not as plan to kill all population of Srebrenica as they didi it in Bratunac with killing of children and women's and elderly populations.

That does not mean that some Serbs have not committed crimes in war in some cases but mos crimes by any Serb were prosecuted by Serbs courts because they are nation who cares about honor in war amongst other ideals and do not tolerate such behave amongst themselves and you could not tell such ting for Albanians or Croats were for example Nazi Croats in 1941 and 1991 and Albanians extremist who recently took part in "Jihad" are praised. Manny Serbs during war in Bosnia were beheaded and hearts were ripped from their chest or other terrible crimes by extremist Muslims from "jihad" brigades but only recently when it started to happens in Syria and was reported in mass media people start talking about it as terrible.

Biggest genocide in Balkan was in I WW against Serbs(one third of population killed) and in Second WW in NDH(Nazi independent Croatia) when they killed more then 700.000 Serbs due to official police to kill 1/3 Serbs in Croatia(1/3 to kill, 1/3 to convert to Catholics and 1/3 to exile) .

To talk about genocide and you that word you should first know what it is it means.

All state in Balkan now owe their freedom to Serbs who fought and gave most of lives against different invaders in last two centuries. Ottoman, Austria and Germany have all been absolute rulers of that area and Serbs are the one who gave most of lives to free that areas even Albania would not exist as state and was given independence for first time in history in 1913 as direct war effort by Serbs in first Balkan war.

Instead of gratitude for Serbs who gave them freedom in 1913 trough blood now Albanians ina Albania and Kosovo with support of USA and some middle east countries are trying to invent their new non existent history and to pretend to be good guys again trough Serbian blood but this time as their nemesis and with territorial claims on Serbs ancestors lands.

And if you look that Serbs trough laws to help underdeveloped financed Albanians in Kosovo and Serbia for more then 60 years(from 1945-2010) to have beater health care and living standards amongst other things and because of that financing from Belgrade and other richer parts of Serbia Albanians in Kosovo and other southern parts of Serbia had demographic boom and big families in moment when Serbs were declining because of law birth rates and now they use their population number to claim other nation territories you cold see how tragic for Serbs was their big heart for others in need.

And in 1990's Albanians just bite a hand of people who feed them and dressed them when they had nothing and now call their-self a righteous people with claims to Serbian ancestors land Kosovo were there is more dead Serbs then living Albanians would ever be????

By the way most Bosnian Muslims are Serbs that accepted Muslim faith so it was in Bosnia a tragic war for Serbs at most.

All events in post Yugoslavia is to "thanks" because of communist during their ruling was in fear of Serbs possible national rebellion against communist government of SFRJ ruled by Croat Josip Broz. Communist invented 3 new nations from Serbs in Yugoslavia: Yugoslavians, Macedonians and Montenegro nation. All of them or most of them are Serbs. And for Muslim in Bosnia they were most Serbians or Croats or Turks they invented Muslim nation. It was the first time in history that faith become a nation. But nothing should surprise maybe we hear about Christian or Buddhism nation in future if politicians get need for such. Fear is big motivator for any wrongdoings.

By the way about communist Jospi Broz - not a single country in world was ever prosperity when ruled by minority lieder look for example Qing China were Jurchen's ruled over great Han people and parts of China was colonized by English and France.

This is just a little what could be said that could give some light to more constructive discussion about Albanian provocation in Belgrade if you wish to look it at many angles an not just one especial if you talk about history and why it is such thing happening now.
 
Thats right brother...And Ukraine is getting the most out of that "Orthodox brethren" glory
In Ukraine, there is war of Orthodox against the Galician sect, which supported by the West and the Pope.

Again, even if you were completely right, does two wrongs make a right?

And about the list above, I do support US actions in some of the countries you mentioned like Serbia and Sudan. I don't remember Americans roaming Europe in late 20th century for raping and torture. Do you?
Differences are huge.

BTW, what I mean by fanaticism is people like you who chant "Orthodox Brethren", and it's a permission for them to do any crime for their religion. Seriously, what's the difference between these type of people and AQ, and ISIS?
What happened in the former Yugoslavia - was a civil war. On the Civil War can not be right or wrong side. However, the West has appointed Serbs guilty, although all sides killed civilians. Everybody. Both Muslims and Croats and Serbs. Just Croats and Bosniaks were on their knees in front of the West, while the Serbs have pride, so they do not become slaves of the West.
Stories about "Red-army rapists " - a fiction of Goebbels. How much can you repeat the propaganda of the Nazis?
 
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That does not mean that some Serbs have not committed crimes in war in some cases

Only genocide(genocide in late 20th century in Europe) that happened in BiH was when members of Muslim Srebrnica brigade killed more than 3000 thousand of Serbian children, women and elders around Srebrenica especially in Bratunac area.

Oh so in fact we have been taught all wrong from the beginning...It was the Serbs who were the victims..All that international courts, media footages, etc. , they were all propaganda stuff..

Welcome to PDF where you can see all kinds of BS
( ps: the fact that @vostok rated +, it should be enough for you to hold your head in shame after such a dumb post)
 
@vostok ,showing us why he's a think tank again.He couldn't think his way out of a paper bag if required of him.A disgusting sentence which spits in the face of hundreds of thousands of women molested by the Red hordes.

he is a think-tank because Webby wants more customers, not because @vostok has any "think-tank" insight or anything..That i guess, is a well known fact :pdf:
 
Albania must be punished for being uncivilized!
 
Interesting thread, seems like all of our Middle East posters just repeat what was narrated on CNN, I don't blame people for that. This was before the internet became main-stream, and here in the US I too watched the TV media, believed that Serbia was committing some type of mass-murder of Albanian's in Kosovo. I could almost hear my Grandfather saying " čisti to đubre". There was one report of a "massacre" at the Pristina soccer stadium where ten thousand were executed. Of course what they didn't tell you was that the next day an Italian reporter went to the stadium and found it completely deserted. So it was 99% lies and propaganda to rip Kosovo away from Yugoslavia and provide a route for Halliburton's AMBO pipeline.
funny thing is now that the Albaniana's have their Kosovo Paradise, why are they running away from it from it by the tens of thousands. I can't post links.
search " albanians flee kosovo "
LA times said:
Sixteen years after the war in Kosovo sent hundreds of thousands of refugees streaming across the border, another exodus is underway here.Instead of fleeing conflict, Kosovars are now seeking to escape unemployment, and despair. They are leaving by the tens of thousands, making their way illegally into European Union countries to look for a better future. For many, the hope that blossomed when independence from Serbia was declared in 2008 has turned to bitterness as poverty and corruption stall the country's progress. A lot of corruption, a lot of warlords."
Here's the funny part, how are they fleeling ? Thru Serbia using their Yugoslavian pass-ports to cross the artificial border set-up by NATO, then on to Germany and anywhere else they can go to get away from Thaci the snake and the rest of the Albanian mafia.
 
Says the Slavic thieves who stole Illyrian lands and other Balkan lands
Don't to forget the stolen and occupied circassia and the land to stole from iran and Central Asia and Siberia and Mongolia and Chechnya Dagestan etc.....



Ottoman power is good to see muslims stand by each other in the Balkans it shouldn't repeat the disaster of al Andalus and circassia



Old thread but....borders have been changing constantly, just 100 years ago the world map was very different. By your logic every country in the world has stolen land. As for Chechnya and Dagestan, those lands have been a part of Russia longer then any middle easter "country" has been in existence.

As for Chechens, they are made up from different people's, so do you want to go back 100 years? 300 years? 2000 years? or 10,000 years? Say Chechnya was given independence, who would you give it to? The people that lived there 300 years ago or the people that lived there 5000 years ago? How much land did those people actually control? If they controlled more then what is present day Chechnya then other countries would have to give up land that was once occupied by Chechens.


Let me give some of my back round, i have genes/DNA that traces my ancestors to the Balkans, i also have genes that traces my ancestors to modern day Ukraine, no surprise. I also have DNA that is only found in people from central Germany and Sweden, ect. I am ethnically mostly Russian/Slavic, but have ancestors all over Europe. Because i have genes from present day Sweden does that mean Sweden belongs to Russia or that Russia belongs to Sweden?

I got a great idea, lets let all of the worlds clans, tribes and people have their own countries. Overnight we will have about 10,000 different countries with thousands of those countries fighting for more land.


@flamer84 in case you are interested.
 
Old thread but....borders have been changing constantly, just 100 years ago the world map was very different. By your logic every country in the world has stolen land. As for Chechnya and Dagestan, those lands have been a part of Russia longer then any middle easter "country" has been in existence.

As for Chechens, they are made up from different people's, so do you want to go back 100 years? 300 years? 2000 years? or 10,000 years? Say Chechnya was given independence, who would you give it to? The people that lived there 300 years ago or the people that lived there 5000 years ago? How much land did those people actually control? If they controlled more then what is present day Chechnya then other countries would have to give up land that was once occupied by Chechens.


Let me give some of my back round, i have genes/DNA that traces my ancestors to the Balkans, i also have genes that traces my ancestors to modern day Ukraine, no surprise. I also have DNA that is only found in people from central Germany and Sweden, ect. I am ethnically mostly Russian/Slavic, but have ancestors all over Europe. Because i have genes from present day Sweden does that mean Sweden belongs to Russia or that Russia belongs to Sweden?

I got a great idea, lets let all of the worlds clans, tribes and people have their own countries. Overnight we will have about 10,000 different countries with thousands of those countries fighting for more land.


@flamer84 in case you are interested.
Chechnya and Dagestan are occupied by the force

They are not Russians and they have different culture

I am not going to go back thousands of years because we all came from Africa

He said albanians stole Kosovo while its the other way around it was the Slavs who stole lands from the natives of the Balkan

It's just saying the South Africans stole white land which is wrong they didn't stole white lands that their land and they liberated it
 
Old thread but....borders have been changing constantly, just 100 years ago the world map was very different. By your logic every country in the world has stolen land. As for Chechnya and Dagestan, those lands have been a part of Russia longer then any middle easter "country" has been in existence.

As for Chechens, they are made up from different people's, so do you want to go back 100 years? 300 years? 2000 years? or 10,000 years? Say Chechnya was given independence, who would you give it to? The people that lived there 300 years ago or the people that lived there 5000 years ago? How much land did those people actually control? If they controlled more then what is present day Chechnya then other countries would have to give up land that was once occupied by Chechens.


Let me give some of my back round, i have genes/DNA that traces my ancestors to the Balkans, i also have genes that traces my ancestors to modern day Ukraine, no surprise. I also have DNA that is only found in people from central Germany and Sweden, ect. I am ethnically mostly Russian/Slavic, but have ancestors all over Europe. Because i have genes from present day Sweden does that mean Sweden belongs to Russia or that Russia belongs to Sweden?

I got a great idea, lets let all of the worlds clans, tribes and people have their own countries. Overnight we will have about 10,000 different countries with thousands of those countries fighting for more land.


@flamer84 in case you are interested.


Still,today's Russia is basically a colonial power in the Caucasus.

Chechnya and Dagestan are occupied by the force

They are not Russians and they have different culture

I am not going to go back thousands of years because we all came from Africa

He said albanians stole Kosovo while its the other way around it was the Slavs who stole lands from the natives of the Balkan

It's just saying the South Africans stole white land which is wrong they didn't stole white lands that their land and they liberated it


The Albanians commited terror acts and when legitimate Serbian Goverment forces moved in to stop the terror they were bombed to smitherens by NATO under the disguise of genocide.As it was demonstrated by Court rulings later,there was no genocide in Kosovo.
 
Chechnya and Dagestan are occupied by the force

You are only saying that because the majority of those people that live in those areas are Muslim. I also see that what i said about borders, and native people went strait over your head. Do you advocate that Muslim countries such as Turkey give back land that was taken by force from Christians?


Also i was not born in Chechnya but if i was i can claim to be a native of Chechnya. Are you going to tell me that my birth land is not mine? All people can make claims to land. Also for your information the people that are "ethically" Chechen consider themselves Russians and loyal to Russia just like Native American Indians are Americans.



They are not Russians and they have different culture


Please explain this culture :lol: being Muslim is now a culture? Jee then what do you call Chechens that are not Muslims? Are early Christian Chechens not Chechen?


So are Native American Indians not American? Their birth certificates says that they are and so do they; likewise Chechnya is just a province in Russia, every person that is born in Chechnya has a Russian birth certificate and speak Russian.




I am not going to go back thousands of years because we all came from Africa




Then be quite, you just proved my point.


He said albanians stole Kosovo while its the other way around it was the Slavs who stole lands from the natives of the Balkan



You have no idea what you are talking about. :lol: not from a genetics standpoint and not from a historical standpoint. Do you know that Slavs are native to the land? Do you know that genes from the Balkans are very specific to that region only? If i cary the i2A2 genetic marker that means i am native to the Balkan region. Got it?

Really ??

Yes really.
 
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