Al Qaeda’s botched suicide op was against ‘Indian warships’

[Biplab Bijay]

You should evaluate the further consequences if that was happened.Noone in India will not trust Pakistan claims that it was a terrorists attacks. A further attack from India and possibly US will open another front in SA and long lasting trouble.

tab to maja aajata.

 

[Mav3rick]

So Pakistan thwarted an attack on the Indian navy? How many times will their story change? BTW, initially the TTP took credit for the attack, what happened to that? AQ stole their thunder?

How many times has an Indian military base or sensitive mlitary location been infiltrated by terrorists? And how many times has that happened in Pakistan, incuding the GHQ itself?

Sure, there is more concern about Pakistani assets - but that doesn't by itself translate to being better protected. In fact, the concern exists for a reason.

Which was precise the logic behind my deductive reasoning, since India has nothing to fear 'apparently', it can be taken by surprise. However, the same does not apply to Pakistan because the 'surprises' have already been exhausted and we are better prepared then ever, even more so then most countries out there.......and all that despite our extremely limited resources and our global position on US terror wars.

 

[janon]

Which was precise the logic behind my deductive reasoning, since India has nothing to fear 'apparently', it can be taken by surprise. However, the same does not apply to Pakistan because the 'surprises' have already been exhausted and we are better prepared then ever, even more so then most countries out there.......and all that despite our extremely limited resources and our global position on US terror wars.

That logical connection does not exist. Your cannot start from the premise "India's bases have never been infiltrated" and reach the conclusion "It would be easy to do so in future." For that, you have to add the assertions or premises that this safety record has made India complacent about security.

Similarly, there is no logical connection from the premise "Pakistan's high security bases have been infiltrated in the past" to "Therefore Pakistani assets are much more secure today". You would have to add additional statements that Pak has learnt from its earlier lapses, and is now a lot more vigilant.

Note that I'm not saying that Pakistani military assets are not safe - I'm just pointing out that you cannot reach such a conclusion purely through deductive reasoning - what happens in the real world, whether security has actually improved, such things have to be taken into account.

In any case, stealing a warship is just too far fetched, without massive internal help - like an entire ship's crew (or most of them)being part of the plot. A handful of gunmen cannot hijack a warship from base.

Similarly for nukes, unless there is a large inside play, with many officers being part of it, it is impossible for a few outsiders to load, launch and fire a nuke.

 

[Mav3rick]

That logical connection does not exist. Your cannot start from the premise "India's bases have never been infiltrated" and reach the conclusion "It would be easy to do so in future." For that, you have to add the assertions or premises that this safety record has made India complacent about security.

Similarly, there is no logical connection from the premise "Pakistan's high security bases have been infiltrated in the past" to "Therefore Pakistani assets are much more secure today". You would have to add additional statements that Pak has learnt from its earlier lapses, and is now a lot more vigilant.

Note that I'm not saying that Pakistani military assets are not safe - I'm just pointing out that you cannot reach such a conclusion purely through deductive reasoning - what happens in the real world, whether security has actually improved, such things have to be taken into account.

In any case, stealing a warship is just too far fetched, without massive internal help - like an entire ship's crew (or most of them)being part of the plot. A handful of gunmen cannot hijack a warship from base.

Similarly for nukes, unless there is a large inside play, with many officers being part of it, it is impossible for a few outsiders to load, launch and fire a nuke.

I had actually calculated my response with all the 'logical connections' that you thought up there and many more too. My response is comprehensive to the point of being factual. Matter of fact, if there is any Nuclear attack on India by Pakistan, trust me, it will be intentional, calculated to the point of being the only, final and conclusive strike.

 

[Utkarsh]

Man be serious its nations, lifes and humanity at stake....... may be someday pakistan will recognise this

First let pakistan recognize the seriousness before an Indian does. Till then the whole thing is a joke.

I hope the Al-queda or whatever attak more pakistani bases to seize their asets to wage "war" against India. I really think Indian govt. should start funding al kazuda (malayalam for Donkey).

 

[posedion]

So

First let pakistan recognize the seriousness before an Indian does. Till then the whole thing is a joke.

I hope the Al-queda or whatever attak more pakistani bases to seize their asets to wage "war" against India. I really think Indian govt. should start funding al kazuda (malayalam for Donkey).

Yaar, So you mean to say till then we have to stooge to their level, we cannot choice our neighbours we can only hope for change, by the way "al kazuda" malayalam good one

Just for laughs

Tamil "al kahalada"
kannada "al kahtaa"
Telugu sounds " "al gadidha" unity in diversity

Does not mean we have some weakness, our armed forces are more than capable to handle these thugs

 

[Rain]

India tries to be a part of new drama. The attack has nothing to do with India, Cheap propaganda tactics .

 

[airuah]

Potentially there is a much larger chance of a Nuclear Weapon being stolen off Indian stockpile then Pakistan. It is so because there is so much attention, observation and war time multi layered, multi faceted security systems in place precisely to thwart any and all security risks, both foreign and domestic in Pakistan!

Fact is that Al-Qaeda 'tried' and 'failed' miserably in their attempt because we are now more vigilant than ever due to the ever growing threats both from within and without.

Considering that the there were Pakistani navy officers involved in the al queda cadre that attacked, how far do you think the al queda is from having its cadre personnel in the team involved in handling your nukes

 

[Friei Indien]

so al qaeda is stupid enough to search for Indian Navy warships in karachi docks?

 

[acid rain]

Potentially there is a much larger chance of a Nuclear Weapon being stolen off Indian stockpile then Pakistan. It is so because there is so much attention, observation and war time multi layered, multi faceted security systems in place precisely to thwart any and all security risks, both foreign and domestic in Pakistan!

Fact is that Al-Qaeda 'tried' and 'failed' miserably in their attempt because we are now more vigilant than ever due to the ever growing threats both from within and without.

Don't get me wrong, but what this attack on a PN frigate has highlighted is that radicalisation has affected your defense personnel. All or most of the terrorists who took part in this attack were PN or ex PN. So the thought that wmds are in danger is not exaggerated. Other attacks like the one on Karachi airport was believed to be aided by inside information. Same goes for the attacks on PN mehran and PAF kamra.

 

[Mercenary]

so al qaeda is stupid enough to search for Indian Navy warships in karachi docks?

I think Al Qaeda's aim to was to pirate a Pakistani Navy ship and use it to attack India.

 

[acid rain]

Which was precise the logic behind my deductive reasoning, since India has nothing to fear 'apparently', it can be taken by surprise. However, the same does not apply to Pakistan because the 'surprises' have already been exhausted and we are better prepared then ever, even more so then most countries out there.......and all that despite our extremely limited resources and our global position on US terror wars.

There is a real chance that radical elements have infiltrated most of Pakistans establishments...or at least have sympathizers in them. More audacious attacks aren't far off.

 

[Basel]

The frigate was equipped with advanced weapon systems, including anti-submarine torpedoes, four guided missiles with a range of up to 120 km, surface-to-air missiles and 72 mm anti-aircraft guns.

Not four but eight it carries and with range of 180 km not 120 km.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Sounds dubious at best.


But did they really think they could just sail into Indian waters unnoticed and then attack an IN vessel in a FRIGATE??!! Big mouths and some worrying ties within the Pak Mil is all these fools have.

 

[Mav3rick]

Considering that the there were Pakistani navy officers involved in the al queda cadre that attacked, how far do you think the al queda is from having its cadre personnel in the team involved in handling your nukes

None of the PN 'Officers' were involved in the 'attempted' act of terrorism. The personnel involved were dismissed ex-servicemen with support from a couple of junior staff. The ex-servicemen were all dismissed precisely for their radicalised ideology.

Don't get me wrong, but what this attack on a PN frigate has highlighted is that radicalisation has affected your defense personnel. All or most of the terrorists who took part in this attack were PN or ex PN. So the thought that wmds are in danger is not exaggerated. Other attacks like the one on Karachi airport was believed to be aided by inside information. Same goes for the attacks on PN mehran and PAF kamra.

Please take a look at my response above.

P.S. Even I can provide insider information to the Airports because I have travelled frequently so does that mean that the Nuclear warheads of Pakistan are in danger of falling in the wrong hands?

There is a real chance that radical elements have infiltrated most of Pakistans establishments...or at least have sympathizers in them. More audacious attacks aren't far off.

Fortunately, we have broken the backbone of TTP and their resurgence, although very possible still, is somewhere in the distance and only if they are continued to be provided support by our neighbours!