Al Qaeda denies killing civilians in Pakistan - Blames Blackwater/CIA/RAW/ISI

[Watani]

If Al Qaeda denies killing Pakistani's, if Afghan Taliban denies killing Pakistani's, if NATO isn't involved in Pakistan, then who on earth is causing all this disaster in Pakistan? :S

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If Al Qaeda denies killing Pakistani's, if Afghan Taliban denies killing Pakistani's, if NATO isn't involved in Pakistan, then who on earth is causing all this disaster in Pakistan? :S

Lets not even pretend this is a legitimate question.

These bombings are by Al Qaeda and the TTP - their statements are nothing but propaganda.

AQ and the Taliban know they cannot defeat the PA even in a guerrilla war anymore, not after their decimation in Swat and South Waziristan. Their only hope of succeeding is by destabilizing the State to where it collapses aka Somalia, and then take over in the chaos, and these terrorist bombings against civilians and the military are an attempt to sow chaos and destabilize the state.

They are not taking credit for the bombings because they know they will lose so long as Pakistanis are against them and want them destroyed.

 

[qsaark]

These bombings are by Al Qaeda and the TTP - their statements are nothing but propaganda.

Could be, most probably should I say. However, did you notice the following statement by Mr. Gates?

"The more they get attacked internally, just like this terrible attack in Rawalpindi at the mosque, the more open they may be to additional help from us. But we are prepared to expand that relationship at any pace that they are prepared to accept," he (U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates) said.

Full report here : US Ready to Expand Military Help for Pakistan | Asia | English

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Aqalmand ko ishara kaafi, guess who is benefiting most from such attacks, the TTP or somone else!

 

[SSGPA1]

Al-Qaeda, CIA, RAW or TTP - To me that is not the major concern because I have full confidence in our armed forces that in time we will return the favour to the party responsible for these attacks.

DOMESTIC ENEMY IS FAR GREATER THREAT THAN A FOREIGN ENEMY

These attacks were carried out locals.

My major concern is the willingness shown by Pakistani youth to carry out these attacks. Most of these attacks are carried out by young kids, so far no one has said that they were foreign kids.

Who are training these kids and how do we stop these centres? How do we rehablitate these kids and others?

BTW, what is our political elite doing for these people? I don't think they have a plan or a clue about people returning afetr the operation.

We need spomething like a Marshal plan.

 

[Slides]

So who is the PA fighting in Waziristan? So far its been proved that Al Qaeda doesnt exist and if it does, its only alive barely.

What about the Taliban?

Who has proved AQ doesn't exist? Why did mullah Omar go to war with the US if AQ did not exist? Instead he said he would not hand over Osama, why was that?

 

[Solomon2]

The mercenaries of the ISI, RAW, CIA or Blackwater are the real culprits behind these senseless and un-Islamic bombings,' he added.

Who wants to bet that in two or three years Pakistanis will say the Taliban had nothing to do with the events in Swat in the past year, it was all a Zionist/RAW/U.S. plot. Then new history books will be written to make sure that's how the next generation learns it, and anyone who doubts it will be punished, whether Pakistani or foreigner...

 

[TruthSeeker]

No Blackwater in Pakistan, insists Malik

Published: December 14, 2009

GUJRANWALA (Online) – Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Sunday again maintained that Blackwater is not operating in Pakistan rather it is active in Afghanistan and Iraq only.

Talking to journalists in Gujranwala, Rehman Malik said Pakistan had virtually broken the backbone of terrorists. He went on to say that the world would have to take serious notice of the violations being committed by terrorists. He said the war against terrorism could not be won unless local traitors and political elements supporting terrorists were not identified and punished. He praised religious figures from all schools of thought for issuing decrees against suicide attacks. The war against terrorism would continue till the elimination of last terrorist, he added.

He further added that 50 per cent terrorists belong to banned Al-Qaeeda, Lashkar-i-Jhangavi, Jaish Muhammad, etc.

No Blackwater in Pakistan, insists Malik | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online


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So is Malik lying about Blackwater?

 

[ejaz007]

US exporting terrorism to Pakistan: Marvi

* PML-Q leader says Malik owes apology as ‘Blackwater involvement in Pakistan proved’

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q) parliamentarian Marvi Memon on Sunday accused the US of exporting terrorism to Pakistan.

A statement issued by Memon said the US had contradictory policies in the war against terror. “There is major contradiction in the statements of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the transgression of US citizens in Pakistan. If the US does not wish to act as a patron, then it has no business exporting terrorism to Pakistan in the form of US nationals recently caught in Pakistan planning terror attacks along with Al Qaeda,” she said. She demanded the government provide parliament with complete details of the 9,236 visas issued by Pakistan to US nationals during the last four months.

Referring to recent arrests of US nationals, Memon said the arrests proved that some of these nationals were a national security risk and the government would be an accomplice if it did not take action against the suspects. She lamented that parliament was not being allowed to debate the issue, as all adjournment motions on the subject had been disallowed. Memon said barring parliament from doing its job would be a breach of parliamentary privilege.

Blackwater: Memon said Interior Minister Rehman Malik owed the nation an apology, if not his promised resignation, after the Vanity Fair magazine proved that Blackwater had been involved in operations in Pakistan.

The PML-Q leader said the government should summon the US ambassador for an explanation and direct US nationals to abide by the country’s law if it had any sense of sovereignty and self-respect. “If the US nationals resist inspection, they need to be dealt with firmly,” she added. Memon said since the government was busy securing its power, it had accepted US colonial behaviour and not reacted appropriately.

“It was clear from the behaviour of the US nationals that they imagined themselves as colonialists. The Kerry Lugar law has legalised US colonialism in Pakistan,” she said. She also criticised Rehman Malik’s statement that the government could not take legal action against foreign nationals caught with regards to aiding terrorism in Pakistan

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[MadDog]

This guy is a liar and FAKE ..these videos are made to defame
muslims and to give a bad name to Pakistan Army...PLEASE WATCH THIS...THE REALITY OF THIS GUY..
He was a zionist and a member of Anti-Defimation League a zionist organization which covertly supports zionist objectives...u can check it online

This shows how the few who control the media try to brain wash the public

 

[Solomon2]

He was a zionist and a member of Anti-Defimation League a zionist organization which covertly supports zionist objectives.

I think you're really far out, Mad Dog. As if being a member of the ADL or being a Zionist is something to be ashamed of! It's almost like the Soviet commissars of old telling little children not to be Trotskyites, when nobody had an idea of what Trotskyites were! Why are you not ashamed to be parading your ignorance like this?

Adam Gadahn is, in case you don't know, wanted for treason by the U.S. and there is a reward for his capture.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

I don't understand the logic of the guys who say the bomb attacks are not done by AQ or TTP guys. Just want to ask them that when they attack GHQ, a Mosque killing Children with elderly, IEDs killing members of political parties, when they send suicide attacks on convoys, or when police station gets attacked, when suicide bombers killed civilian workers infront of one Wah factory, in nearly all such scenarios, civilians die more then the security forces guys in such attacks, at that time the TTP spokesman accepts the responsibility proudly and warns of more attacks, so if they kill civilians without any regret in such bomb attacks, why it would be hard for them to kill just civilians ?? Ever heard their bombers speaking that everyone on this side of the border is Wajib-Ul-Katal because they are not with them or they are not in waziristan ?? So if they tell this to their suicide bombers and also that whoever civilians you kill are not ur fault and their gunnah will not be written in your books by the angels and no questions will be asked about these innocents death, why you guys doubt they won't kill civilians ?? Ever heard the telephonic call of Muslim Khan to SW and asking to do ANYTHING, even told to do attacks of the Parade Line nature at that time.

AQ is killed hundreds, thousands in their accepted suicide bombings in Iraq, so why you guys doubt they can't do such things here or can keep on doing such things ??

If such things are being done by anyone else, why they then take responsibility of nearly every other attack in which 01 SFs guy gets killed with 10 cvilians too, while they say the bombings targeting just civilians are not by them, while they accept the killing of the 10 civilians killed with 01 security forces guy ??

Sir, there is a book with the title;



which to my understanding will clear the dust about these false flag operations taking place and what is happening around the world (e.g. why an economic crisis as a sudden?) and how OBL/AQ is being used as a boogy man and organization to achieve their sinister objectives (of world domination) and as result you will come to a conclusion why Pakistan is in such a state today?

I am recommending this book to everyone here, which is a masterpiece in itself.

You can download e-version (pdf) of the book in English from here.

synagogue of satan.pdf

Or anyone in Pakistan can get the book in Urdu translation with the name "Shetaani Kaneesa" from any local book store.

 

[Slides]

Sir, there is a book with the title;

which to my understanding will clear the dust about these false flag operations taking place and what is happening around the world (e.g. why an economic crisis as a sudden?) and how OBL/AQ is being used as a boogy man and organization to achieve their sinister objectives (of world domination) and as result you will come to a conclusion why Pakistan is in such a state today?

I am recommending this book to everyone here, which is a masterpiece in itself.

You can download e-version (pdf) of the book in English from here.

synagogue of satan.pdf

Or anyone in Pakistan can get the book in Urdu translation with the name "Shetaani Kaneesa" from any local book store.

No offense, but no book can teach you common sense and logic in this case. Please don't get sucked in my books written by an author with who knows what agenda. You need to look at the facts in front of us and the facts clearly say that Mulllah Omar went to war with the US becuase he did not want to turn over Osama to them. Why didn't Mullah Omar just say that Osama did not exist or that Al Qaeda was a myth? Why did Mullah Nazir, Mullah Radio, Gul Bahadur, Baitullah Mehsud accept support, help from Al Qaeda and play hsot to their Al Qaeda foreign guests? Why do so many jihadi groups still swear allegiance to Al Qaeda?

There are so many facts that you're ignoring because a book told you too. Please think for yourself. The takfiri barbarians at our gates. This is not the time to hold onto beliefs which have little basis in reality.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

I don't understand the logic of the guys who say the bomb attacks are not done by AQ or TTP guys. Just want to ask them that when they attack GHQ, a Mosque killing Children with elderly, IEDs killing members of political parties, when they send suicide attacks on convoys, or when police station gets attacked, when suicide bombers killed civilian workers infront of one Wah factory, in nearly all such scenarios, civilians die more then the security forces guys in such attacks, at that time the TTP spokesman accepts the responsibility proudly and warns of more attacks, so if they kill civilians without any regret in such bomb attacks, why it would be hard for them to kill just civilians ?? Ever heard their bombers speaking that everyone on this side of the border is Wajib-Ul-Katal because they are not with them or they are not in waziristan ?? So if they tell this to their suicide bombers and also that whoever civilians you kill are not ur fault and their gunnah will not be written in your books by the angels and no questions will be asked about these innocents death, why you guys doubt they won't kill civilians ?? Ever heard the telephonic call of Muslim Khan to SW and asking to do ANYTHING, even told to do attacks of the Parade Line nature at that time.

AQ is killed hundreds, thousands in their accepted suicide bombings in Iraq, so why you guys doubt they can't do such things here or can keep on doing such things ??

If such things are being done by anyone else, why they then take responsibility of nearly every other attack in which 01 SFs guy gets killed with 10 cvilians too, while they say the bombings targeting just civilians are not by them, while they accept the killing of the 10 civilians killed with 01 security forces guy ??

TK - The logic of such people is based on a complete lack of logic if you will.

These people rely on demagogues like Zaid Hamid to create a simplistic black and white fantasy land while showing a complete disregard for the ground realities.

I believe conspiracy theorists do a great disservice to our brave men and women fighting in Swat and Waziristan.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

No offense, but no book can teach you common sense and logic in this case. Please don't get sucked in my books written by an author with who knows what agenda. You need to look at the facts in front of us and the facts clearly say that Mulllah Omar went to war with the US becuase he did not want to turn over Osama to them. Why didn't Mullah Omar just say that Osama did not exist or that Al Qaeda was a myth? Why did Mullah Nazir, Mullah Radio, Gul Bahadur, Baitullah Mehsud accept support, help from Al Qaeda and play hsot to their Al Qaeda foreign guests? Why do so many jihadi groups still swear allegiance to Al Qaeda?

There are so many facts that you're ignoring because a book told you too. Please think for yourself. The takfiri barbarians at our gates. This is not the time to hold onto beliefs which have little basis in reality.

Sir, with all due respect... where did you get your facts from? BBC, CNN, Geo, FoxNews etc right? How could you be so sure, they are presenting you with real facts? The book I mentioned is telling you the history of Banking systems since 1600 and the way the human nature have been fabricated by the mean of Globalization and democracy and about a world financial implosion, and the eventual creation of a one-world government, along with a universal currency. It will be a kind of idiocy, if your goodself mentions of someones' senses based on a single post regarding a book only.

No offense, but it seems like you have based your common sense on the corporate media only. If Mullah Omar declare that, Osama or AQ doesn't exist, then No occupation of Afghanistan should take place..? BTW, What do we know about Mullah Omar anyway? That he is a Taliban leader? That's it... No photos of him, no videos or audios of his claims etc? So who are telling us all about Mullah Omar and his network? BBC, CNN, FoxNews - Right? Do you really know anything apart from what the CORPORATE PROPAGANDA MACHINES told you?

Of course there is more to this story than the media will ever let you know.

The case is the same as Iraq, where after destroying Iraq, they came up with some obscured excuse of CIA's misinformation about WMDs presence (and look at Iraq now?) but for Afghanistan (and now Pakistan) the source or boogy man this time is in the form of Osama and AQ, and you must have heard the news lately of Osama's presence in Pakistan now. They are making your mind with these notorious lies, so that Allah forbids, if any false flag attack takes place in the US, the blame and people's attention/support could be directed to one country only - Pakistan.

If US and coalition forces can get rid of Saddam Hussein and his regime, who had 100 times more power than Osama or his so called AQ network, then how come it is impossible for US and for their so called sophisticated technologies and bow how; who can't even locate where Osama is?

And isn't it evidence enough of their game of deception, that they are conquering and destroying every place on the face of this earth wherever they (deliberately) suspect Osama's (AQ) presence? 30,000 more state of the art equipped troops' deployment, the new Drones placement in Kandahar near Balochistan border; all this for only to get Osama or Mullah Omar, they couldn't hold on them in last 8+ years? Why are they spending billions and trillions only after one or two men? Why don't they invest these tones of money in their respective country's security measures so that these so called thugs won't be able to get there?



What is a False Flag?

Committing an atrocious act, and blaming another party or nation for it. The point is to turn public opinion against an entity, and have someone else fight your battles for you.

Moreover the setup has been created long ago, US/Nato presence in Afghanistan, the recent visit of Indian PM's to US (where Pakistan were of main concern), latest nuclear and aircrafts deals of US with India, statements made by Kapooray (Indian Army chief) of limited nuke war possible between Pakistan and India? What does this all tell us?

We are already hearing corporate media shills talking about the danger of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal not being properly secured and they already fabricated the story that will explain the "attacks" and identify the culprits. They talk about AQ and Pakistan. Too much...aren't they?

Where is Pakistan heading with all these activities around him? and as a nation, what we are really doing or needs to do to tackle this a rather dangerous (growing) situation, which on one side is, demoralizing our youth and coming generation to a greater extent (by using the corporate media) but also on the other side, creating a bad image of our Homeland and Ideology..? and as a matter of fact we are losing big time in this psychological warfare up till now. And the pettiest thing above all is that we get victimized so easily of these notorious lies and propagandas?

"The fox condemns the trap, not himself."

 

[Slides]

So now you're saying that Mullah Omar doesn't exist and next you'll say that Taliban also don't exist? Does Siraj Haqqani exist? No one has seen him right? Is there even a war on Afghanistan?

Seriously, I think you need to wake up and not get sucked into this fantasy land you have created. There is no point for me to debate with you since you have already close your mind to everything else, including the most basic facts.