Al-Qaeda assassin worked for MI6

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Huh? sry, you are making no sense. They recruited the guy to get information about terrorist not knowing he was hoodwinking them- not knowing he was killing civilians himself , not knowing he was directly responsible of killing Europeans, not knowing he was planning attacks against the very interest he was recruited to provide safegaurds on ... get it? it's really that simple.

You guys never see the terrorist for what they are- you seem to be punch drunk and blind about conspiracies.

Flash news: Nobody is interested in Pakistan edging to a failed state- it's bad for the region and world. The goal is not create another Afghanistan , hot bed of terrorists to attack all over the world!

Oh it is indeed spying when a western agency does it and it is active support and nefarious designs if ISI is involved.
After all the west is so responsible and all goody goody right?
How could they ever recruit terrorists?
They must have had no idea that he was killing any civilian for certainly they would have not dealt with such a bad man had they known...do you really believe such nonsense of ethos and morals in the world of espionage and titanic national interests which even destroy countries, leave alone individuals like you or me?

What proof do you have of this complete innocence of MI6 and their lack of such knowledge except what they claim?
Their association with the assassin could have been of any nature.

Do us all a favor and stop trying so hard to be more catholic than the pope.
I have seen your posts repeatedly reiterating your interests as a US taxpayer and how Pakistan is always linked with Terror and how US should pack up and leave Pakistan to fend for itself and deal with it the American way if there is any attack on US soil.

When did the US not deal with it the American way which you are piping on about?
Attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan do not ring a bell?

What betterment has been achieved in these theaters of war, except creating more factions, terrorists and non state actors for all to deal with.
The grand strategy of attacking a county, uprooting its government and leaving its administration in tatters and then trying to reconstruct everything has done wonders for the safety and stability of the world?
I must be living in another world then!

All i see are fat contracts for many global firms be it military hardware, private military contractors, reconstruction of infrastructure etc.
I see trade routes, energy reserves and assured energy demand against those reserves, i see phenomenal growth potential of many countries at the mercy of a few conflicts.
I see not billions but trillions at stake here.

Stop being so delusional and really try to understand the role of the global powers in all of what we are seeing today.
In this modern world, the mighty have been playing power games since decades and there are many regions which are a testimony to this.
If they did not like a ruler and his policies they tried to get him changed via covert and overt means, regardless of long term consequences for the locals.
If they saw a rival gaining strength in a region, they gave it all to uproot the influence even if it meant to instigate a perpetual state of civil war in some poor country caught in the crossfire.

What goes around comes around and while there are consequences for Pakistan and Afghanistan in a post Afghan Jihad era, USA has much less problems to deal with and can leave anytime since this is not its land, to protect from the hordes of evil.
When it does not leave, you should realize that there has to be some interest of US in this region.
Mr. Taxpayer you are not controlling these wars, there are interests which are much larger than you at stake, however you assume all goodness on part of the western world as if they are spending billions just to build bridges of friendship and have nothing else to gain in return.

Everyone knows that the image of USA is negative due to its unconditional support towards Israel, the many vetoes of USA in favor of Israel over even trivial matters are a proof of this attitude which has directly contributed to a negative image in the entire Muslim world.
UK and USA helped create Israel and supported it through thick and thin, however their inability to negotiate and rein in Israel eventually caused a very polarized policy which marginalized the Palestinians.
Whether it was the guilt of the holocaust which haunted the western world (since none of them fought to save the Jews but only when their interests were at stake) or whether something else, the pro Jew outlook has evolved to anti Muslim outlook as perceived by majority of the Muslim world.
Now this coupled with the Gulf wars and the death and destruction caused even more hatred for the USA and its allies.
The adventure in Afghanistan has further aggravated the situation to the effect that from Africa to Middle east to the subcontinent there are anti American militants and terrorists who are also turning inwards on their own countries.
Billions are being spent on armaments by all the conflicting parties.
Does US approach have nothing to do with this situation?
What lessons did the US learn from the growing resentment?
What did the 9-11 teach us?
The Arabs were the masterminds of 9-11 and yet no lesson was learnt as to the root cause of this extreme resentment, instead now the hatred has spread to Afghanistan and Pakistan as well.
The approach should be to address the root causes of this global terror.
However do we say with confidence today that the world is a safer place?
9-11 was also a big mess by American homeland security apparatus, however the chances to attack civilians in USA are very slim compared to bombings in Africa, Middle east, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
If USA spends few billions to ensure internal security, there is no need to spend 100s of billions every year in sustaining a war which is not achieving anything in way of making USA more secure and is causing a lot of regions to be more insecure.
The arrogance of the policymakers to believe that US is not part of the problem is what causes such an outcome...over and over again.
It is not the US/UK citizens or their soldiers who are to blame here.
It is the policymakers, who are making policies not to serve and protect the countries less fortunate, but to ensure their dominance and strategic interests over the world.

Many educated and learned people in the USA are opposed to this global war, millions marched in UK against Iraq war but to what effect?

The bottom line is that WOT is not securing USA as far as motives to attack USA via terrorism is concerned and is certainly causing massive issues to many other countries as well.
The reduction in capability of Al Qaeda is something that is touted as an achievement, however when we see that millions more hate USA now than before...the cons of current approach heavily outweigh the pros in the long term.
Motive is the primary thing here, capability can be gained anywhere in the world once you have cash.

The time for a soft approach seems gone now at least in terms of gaining short term results, the best chance for USA is to focus on internal security and divert funding there rather than continuing with Afghanistan war.
A US pullout with assurances/funding of development in Afghanistan as part of an exit peace treaty with all stakeholders in Afghanistan including Taliban can be a great way to renders the terrorists ineffective.
It shall take lesser billions per year to do this rather than the current approach and will lessen chances of anti US attacks in long term.
In short term, there are no guarantees, but that applies true today as well and there is no end in sight.