Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

[Dazzler]

Didn't want to piss on your parade.. but there's limit to every thing.
Somehow you think Ukraine gave Pakistan the Nozh ERA and Pakistan made a better ERA out of it... lets see.

So called indigenous ERA on AK MBT of Pakistan... Note the thickness.
Now compare that with Ukrainian Nozh on their T-64B1

The Export version.

Now a simple question... which one would have more chance of breaking off the tungsten rod on impact ?.. think thiktank think.

Compare that with other MBTs like the top class K-5 on T-90.

Or the DRDO ERA(Based on K-5).. on T-72M1 Ajeya tanks.

And you rate AK to be above T-80... which is the main strike tank of the Russian Army... T-80Us of Russian Army is having the Relikt ERA even more heavier ERA offering much better protection..

seems like something hit you where it hurts alot. I know what i am talking about and it will be better for you not to shove your nose in things you have no idea such as Pak-Ukraine military cooperation since 1999. There has been plenty going on. By the way, did you know HIT and private company have been experimenting on composite and light weight yet resilient armour technology since 2001?, the one which is on AK-1 is better in general performance than nozh, by the way, when Russkies stopped the cast turret, Shtora APS and K5 ERA technology to be installed on our T-80ud, did you know what version did they install? Varta for Shtora, welded turret for cast ones and nozh for K5 armour. You will not find anything of this sort on the internet, but only when they appear in pics, till then, swallow the insights...

 

[Dazzler]

Even the Chezks were impressed, back in 2002....

Al Khalid

 

[Edevelop]

Even the Chezks were impressed, back in 2002....

Al Khalid

Hey Nabil, how different will be Al-Khalid 2?

Any pics/info?

 

[Dazzler]

general specs have been discussed but its mostly guess, no pics

 

[Dazzler]

a good read on t-80ud deal for pakistan...


THE UKRAINIAN T-84 for T-80 Standard Tank the Soviet Army's Last Armored Champion

 

[Desert Fox]

BTW, received this interesting Article from SomeBozo regarding the Saudi deal for Al-Khalids, the evaluation/testing of the tank and its overall performance:


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: (PNS) - A 23-member Royal Saudi Land Forces evaluation team headed by Maj Gen Ahmed Bin Saeed Al-Shehri visited Pakistan for evaluation of indigenously manufactured products of Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT).

The evaluation team was warmly welcomed by the Chairman HIT, who gave them an exhaustive briefing on the capability of HIT and its potential for marketing sophisticated weapon systems suiting the dictates of modern warfare.

The Saudi team showed keen interest in state-of-the-art and pride of Pakistan Armour, Al-Khalid tank and APC Saad, and carried out intensive in-house technical evaluation and trials.

During the arduous trials under most inhospitable environments, the roaring Al-Khalid, a marvel of tank technology performed astoundingly well. It is for the first time that a Main Battle tank (Al-Khalid) attained 100% hits at a distance of 4,000 meters and set an unprecedented record in tank technology.

Al-Khalid also fired while moving, on a moving target at various ranges upto a distance of 3,000 meters and achieved 100% results. The lethality and accuracy of the weapon stations of Al-Khalid, its high power to weight ratio and manoeuvrability demonstrated in the most hostile terrain speaks volumes of its agility and combat capability to challenge any tank of the world.

Saudi Master Gunner, Subedar Major Yahya Bin Ahmed Atif achieved the rare feat of hitting a bulls eye at extreme ranges with 100% accuracy and achieved record firing results with a few days training only, indicative of user friendliness of Tank Al-Khalid.

The delegation was highly impressed with the performance of tank Al-Khalid and APC Saad during arduous trials. The new generation, APC Saad of Pakistan Armed forces has also been totally manufactured in Pakistan with a vision to meet the demands of 21st century battlefield.

Pakistan is rightfully proud of its engineers and technicians who envisioned, designed and manufactured such combat multipliers, giving its Armed Forces the power punch and capability to face any challenge to its national security.

http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showth...-Cooperation-amp-Sales-–-IX&p=39628#post39628

 

[The SC]

 

[DARKY]

seems like something hit you where it hurts alot. I know what i am talking about and it will be better for you not to shove your nose in things you have no idea such as Pak-Ukraine military cooperation since 1999. There has been plenty going on. By the way, did you know HIT and private company have been experimenting on composite and light weight yet resilient armour technology since 2001?, the one which is on AK-1 is better in general performance than nozh, by the way, when Russkies stopped the cast turret, Shtora APS and K5 ERA technology to be installed on our T-80ud, did you know what version did they install? Varta for Shtora, welded turret for cast ones and nozh for K5 armour. You will not find anything of this sort on the internet, but only when they appear in pics, till then, swallow the insights...

... I expect a similar reply....

Gave you something to think about... and you couldn't do that... that ERA on Al Khalid is a Chinese ERA tile.
Dimensions
250x250x28(square tiles) wight 4.9kg
375x250x28(longer tiles) wight 6.9kg
And is good against HEAT.

Other draw backs are large size(which leaves a large area unprotected once hit).
There are other heavier Chinese ERA which are as 85mm and works well against APFSDS aswell as tandem warhead.

Sorry but Pakistani T-80UD were sold out the old reserves of Ukrainian Army... they might have added other equipment such as shtora which is a jammer and certainly NOT an APS.

K-5 is out of your league... same for Nozh both are totally different set of ERA with different work mechanism.. both not there on Pakistani tanks... I showed you the photo and proved it Its your turn to prove me wrong with solid facts... till then you can sing praises about your secret undercover co-operation and magical lightweight Armour to your fellows.

Thanks

 

[Dazzler]

Here you go "Mr. Knowledge is internet"....


Sorry MODs for being a little off topic but this is important and gives us a rare insight that we have the Nozh ERA tech....finally ONE internet source that confirms what i have been saying for a while...


Ukrainian military designer Col Vasyl Khytryk has said the Ukrainian tank protection system Nizh is superior to all foreign analogues, including Russian ones. In an interview with the English-language version of the Ukrainian Defense-Express military journal, Khytryk said the system was developed after Ukraine had secured a big contract for tank deliveries to Pakistan. Describing the system, he said it could be installed on a variety of foreign tanks. Ukraine is looking for potential customers both for the Nizh and a similar system called Zaslin. The following is the text of an interview with Khytryk in English, entitled "Why Nizh is necessary to the tank", and published in the No 1-2 issue of the Defense-Express journal on 31 January; subheadings inserted editorially:
The explosive reactive armour (ERA) system called Nizh [Russian: Nozh, English: Knife] allows protection against every type of antitank ordnance, in the first place armour-piercing sub-calibre shells and striking-nucleus-type impact rounds that attack tanks from the upper hemisphere. Previously, that kind of effect had been beyond the capabilities of any of the off-the-shelf examples of ERA systems. How was the Nizh developed? What makes it so unique? What kind of new tank protection technologies are Ukrainian military designers working on now?
Answers to those and more questions were given in an interview with the Defense-Express military news agency by Col Vasyl Khytryk, chief designer at the Microtech base centre for critical technologies, and once an employee with the armoured equipment research and testing centre in [Russia's] Kubinka.
Nizh developed to pull off Pakistani tank deal
[Khytryk] The project to develop an explosive reactive armour system that is now known as Nizh (Knife) was launched in 1997-98 as part of an effort to supply a consignment of T-80UD tanks under a contract with Pakistan. Russia, in the person of the Moscow-based Scientific Research Institute of Steel had reservations about that contract, saying the tanks being supplied to Pakistan were equipped with an ERA system one of whose elements, the 4C22, …



http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-20245068_ITM

 

[Desert Fox]

What does this picture have to do with Al-Khalid info?

 

[DARKY]

Here you go "Mr. Knowledge is internet"....


Sorry MODs for being a little off topic but this is important and gives us a rare insight that we have the Nozh ERA tech....finally ONE internet source that confirms what i have been saying for a while...


Ukrainian military designer Col Vasyl Khytryk has said the Ukrainian tank protection system Nizh is superior to all foreign analogues, including Russian ones. In an interview with the English-language version of the Ukrainian Defense-Express military journal, Khytryk said the system was developed after Ukraine had secured a big contract for tank deliveries to Pakistan. Describing the system, he said it could be installed on a variety of foreign tanks. Ukraine is looking for potential customers both for the Nizh and a similar system called Zaslin. The following is the text of an interview with Khytryk in English, entitled "Why Nizh is necessary to the tank", and published in the No 1-2 issue of the Defense-Express journal on 31 January; subheadings inserted editorially:
The explosive reactive armour (ERA) system called Nizh [Russian: Nozh, English: Knife] allows protection against every type of antitank ordnance, in the first place armour-piercing sub-calibre shells and striking-nucleus-type impact rounds that attack tanks from the upper hemisphere. Previously, that kind of effect had been beyond the capabilities of any of the off-the-shelf examples of ERA systems. How was the Nizh developed? What makes it so unique? What kind of new tank protection technologies are Ukrainian military designers working on now?
Answers to those and more questions were given in an interview with the Defense-Express military news agency by Col Vasyl Khytryk, chief designer at the Microtech base centre for critical technologies, and once an employee with the armoured equipment research and testing centre in [Russia's] Kubinka.
Nizh developed to pull off Pakistani tank deal
[Khytryk] The project to develop an explosive reactive armour system that is now known as Nizh (Knife) was launched in 1997-98 as part of an effort to supply a consignment of T-80UD tanks under a contract with Pakistan. Russia, in the person of the Moscow-based Scientific Research Institute of Steel had reservations about that contract, saying the tanks being supplied to Pakistan were equipped with an ERA system one of whose elements, the 4C22, …



Article: Designer praises Ukrainian tank protection system. | AccessMyLibrary - Promoting library advocacy

It doesn't say it was supplied.

Many new developments were made in Ukrainian Tank industry after Russia embargoed it following the deal with Pakistan.
Such as a Bustle-autoloader system/wielded turret/modular Armor to name a few... hardly any of these were seen on T-80UDs of Pakistan Army.

Again T-80UDs of Pakistan Army.
Pakistan Military Consortium :: www.PakDef.info

Compare that with Ukrainian Bulat equipped with Nozh.

Again your claim is proven false here.

 

[Dazzler]

It doesn't say it was supplied.

Many new developments were made in Ukrainian Tank industry after Russia embargoed it following the deal with Pakistan.
Such as a Bustle-autoloader system/wielded turret/modular Armor to name a few... hardly any of these were seen on T-80UDs of Pakistan Army.

Again T-80UDs of Pakistan Army.
Pakistan Military Consortium :: www.PakDef.info

Compare that with Ukrainian Bulat equipped with Nozh.

Again your claim is proven false here.

Most ERA blocks are manufactured as per the user requirements, NOZH cannot be necessarily be small, neither ERA must always be meduim sized. Your argument is simply mute and you are on an ego shot. I ca show you AK with K-5 ERA blocks, similar to what is standard ERA on most AK-1, but later all were removed and local ERA are modified. The prototype AK also had various ERA versions for different trials.
Now when your bubble is totally busted, go to sleep...or i will give you more nightmares

 

[Armstrong]

Now when your bubble is totally busted, go to sleep...or i will give you more nightmares

Bhai thoraaa ur bubble burst kar do because I'm as confused as Darky ! Were those JVs or were they solely Ukrainian projects ?

 

[Dazzler]

Bhai thoraaa ur bubble burst kar do because I'm as confused as Darky ! Were those JVs or were they solely Ukrainian projects ?

Nozh is exclusively a Ukrainian product, what has been given to Pakistan is a finished ERA module but Ukrainians also offered to help us develop our own mbt armour. We were already working with Chinese on various configurations so Ukrainian help has added more quality to existing ERA/ armour technology. What we on AK1 is better than what we had on T80ud and this is where Ukrainian help must be appreciated.

 

[Armstrong]

Nozh is exclusively a Ukrainian product, what has been given to Pakistan is a finished ERA module but Ukrainians also offered to help us develop our own mbt armour. We were already working with Chinese on various configurations so Ukrainian help has added more quality to existing ERA/ armour technology. What we on AK1 is better than what we had on T80ud and this is where Ukrainian help must be appreciated.

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Mate how strong is Pakistan-Ukraine military to military relations would it be able to withstand any would-be sanctions imposed on us by the US after 2014 ?