Al-Andalus: Andalusia When It Was...

[Saif al-Arab]

All top tourists summer destinations were part of Muslim empire. Algarve, Costa del sol, marbella, ibiza, minorca and mallorca, so on and so forth.

Europe do not teach their kids about Muslim rule over half of this continent which lasted around 700 years. And here we are teaching our kids how sub continent was ruled by colonials for mere a century.

Arabs were fool though. They didn't impose their language, their culture and sense of inferiority among the local population. Imagine how long is 700 years. And here we in sub continent, those who act like coconuts think highly of themselves. Arabs didn't create mental slaves. Stupid stupid Arabs.

Such a policy would be counterproductive and not in the spirit of Al-Andalus and what made it (back then) one of the most successful and influential societies in the world. Science, philosophy, medicine, poetry etc. developed in Al-Andalus shaped Western/Christian Europe greatly. Al-Andalus was a vibrant society were Muslims, Christians and Jews coexisted and worked together.

It was actually almost 800 years of rule brother. However have in mind that there are very strong Arab influences in Spain and Portugal everywhere you walk. The architecture, language (Arabic has influenced Spanish and Portuguese languages heavily), cuisine, music, culture. Even genetically as proven by modern-day DNA. Modern-day Spaniards and Portuguese have no reason to speak Arabic. They were/are not Arabs but in a way we can say that they have become a part of us on many fronts. Including even when it comes to ancestry but of course that does not change the fact that they are Spaniards and Portuguese.

Take a look at some of the posts that I have posted in this thread and you will see that for yourself, brother.

Regardless of the Spanish Inquisition we Arabs will always have a weakness for Spain and Portugal and they are our most favorite European countries for this reason. This can be seen just by taking a look at football. The Spanish league is by far the most popular football league in the Arab world and people really take the Real Madrid and FC Barcelona rivalry (for instance) seriously. Sometimes even more than locals.

For instance if not for the Spanish Inquisition, Arabic might have been spoken in most of Spain and Portugal to this day and history would have been completely different. If Al-Andalus had lasted another 200 years to celebrate a millennia of presence/rule, all of Latin America might have been speaking Arabic today. Anyway it is not like Arabic is a weak and non-influential language. It is the 4th most spoken language in the world.

BTW Maltese (a Semitic language spoken in Malta) is a descendent of the Arabic dialect spoken in Siciliy.

One Youtube comment below the video:

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"I'm from Saudi Arabia and yes I can understand 70% of their dialogue"

Anyway history is history. Here in this thread we discuss/talk/post about everything related to Al-Andalus and celebrate its undeniable greatness.

Yes Muslims did incredible things in Al-Andalus.

Its too bad we lost that province.

Only militarily after 800 years of rule. Culturally, linguistically, architecturally, spiritually and in terms of cuisine, we gained another province at least partially. Spain and Portugal does not feel too foreign for Arabs for a reason.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Only militarily after 800 years of rule. Culturally, linguistically, architecturally, spiritually and in terms of cuisine, we gained another province at least partially. Spain and Portugal does not feel too foreign for Arabs for a reason.

I was pleasantly surprised when traveling to Portugal and found this on the map.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I was pleasantly surprised when traveling to Portugal and found this on the map.

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There are 1000's of cities/towns/villages in Spain and Portugal that have an Arabic origin. Madrid (capital of Spain) to just mention one. See post 6 in this thread.

Many Spanish/Portuguese surnames (common) are also of Arabic origin.

As for Fatima it is a popular female name among Spaniards, Portuguese and Latin Americans in general.

Anyway the city Fátima in Portugal is famous for this (according to Catholics):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fátima

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fátima,_Portugal

Another very common name among Spaniards, Portuguese and especially Latin Americans is Omar. However most that bear that name are of course not Muslims.

Although Omar is of course popular among the 30-40 million big Arab diaspora in Latin America.

You can see the list of people with the name Omar and how many are from Spain/Portugal/Latin America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_(name)

 

[Saif al-Arab]

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Impressive stuff and to consider they held on to it for almost 700 years which is a fairly long time

The spanish carried on the work of civilization and expanded it all the way to discovery of North/South America


Interesting architecture , even in Muslim world we can't find such impressive preservation
We have some stuff in Lahore and few historic cities of Pakistan but not at all look after to the high standards of peservation as such image. This is like really well preserved quality

 

[The SC]

All top tourists summer destinations were part of Muslim empire. Algarve, Costa del sol, marbella, ibiza, minorca and mallorca, so on and so forth.

Europe do not teach their kids about Muslim rule over half of this continent which lasted around 700 years. And here we are teaching our kids how sub continent was ruled by colonials for mere a century.

Arabs were fool though. They didn't impose their language, their culture and sense of inferiority among the local population. Imagine how long is 700 years. And here we in sub continent, those who act like coconuts think highly of themselves. Arabs didn't create mental slaves. Stupid stupid Arabs.

They were first and foremost Muslims.. and Islam does not allow mental slavery or even physical slavery.. These Arab Muslims left their positive impression in the physical as well as the mental world mainly through science..

Impressive stuff and to consider they held on to it for almost 700 years which is a fairly long time

The spanish carried on the work of civilization and expanded it all the way to discovery of North/South America


Interesting architecture , even in Muslim world we can't find such impressive preservation
We have some stuff in Lahore and few historic cities of Pakistan but not at all look after to the high standards of peservation as such image. This is like really well preserved quality

That was the Mark of Al-Andalus; Very fine and sophisticated architecture.. enduring throughout time..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Impressive stuff and to consider they held on to it for almost 700 years which is a fairly long time

The spanish carried on the work of civilization and expanded it all the way to discovery of North/South America


Interesting architecture , even in Muslim world we can't find such impressive preservation
We have some stuff in Lahore and few historic cities of Pakistan but not at all look after to the high standards of peservation as such image. This is like really well preserved quality

You are completely right. The significant influence of Arabic/Islamic culture in Southern Europe (in this case Spain and Portugal) as I described in post 16, is also very visible in Southern America/Latin America. It is well thought of you to remember this often overlooked fact. I can tell you (due to travel) that Latin Americans (albeit mostly Catholic) are not unaware of this connection and they tend to appreciate it. I could show you some sources in Spanish that show this attitude.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

They were first and foremost Muslims.. and Islam does not allow mental slavery or even physical slavery.. These Arab Muslims left their positive impression in the physical as well as the mental world mainly through science..

Ofcourse. I was being sarcastic. But those who believe in "white man burden" needs to be taught the lessons in history and how Europe was "civilized" by Muslims.

 

[The SC]

Oh please...the islamic world never reached the status of Rome or Greece.

That said, Spain was under foreign occupation and suffered enormous. There was no "coexistance". There was terror and thats the reason why the local people fought back and kicked the invaders out.

Well..just Al-Andalus contradicts your thoughts and opinion.. let alone the whole Roman and Greek world was based on the Egyptian civilisation.. yet another middle Eastern civilisation.. but just remember that trolling is not allowed on PDF.. please try to keep this thread neat .. you can open a thread on Spain's oppression by Muslims with facts on the ground and sources.. then it will be a worthwhile discussion..

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Well..just Al-Andalus contradicts your thoughts and opinion.. let alone the whole Roman and Greek world was based on the Egyptian civilisation.. yet another middle Eastern civilisation.. but just remember that trolling is not allowed on PDF.. please try to keep this thread neat .. you can open a thread on Spain's oppression by Muslims with facts on the ground and sources.. then it will be a worthwhile discussion..

Historic facts contradicts your words. Thats not trolling. Its actually facts. There wa sno tolerance. It was extreme opression. There were countless massacres like the one against jews in 1066 in Granada. The christian majority got heavily opressed. Was not allowed to carry weapons and had to wear special clothes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/27/arts/was-the-islam-of-old-spain-truly-tolerant.html

"
But as many scholars have argued, this image is distorted. Even the Umayyad dynasty, begun by Abd al-Rahman in 756, was far from enlightened. Issues of succession were often settled by force. One ruler murdered two sons and two brothers. Uprisings in 805 and 818 in Córdoba were answered with mass executions and the destruction of one of the city's suburbs. Wars were accompanied by plunder, kidnappings and ransom. Córdoba itself was finally sacked by Muslim Berbers in 1013, its epochal library destroyed.

Andalusian governance was also based on a religious tribal model. Christians and Jews, who shared Islam's Abrahamic past, had the status of dhimmis -- alien minorities. They rose high but remained second-class citizens; one 11th-century legal text called them members of ''the devil's party.'' They were subject to special taxes and, often, dress codes. Violence also erupted, including a massacre of thousands of Jews in Grenada in 1066 and the forced exile of many Christians in 1126."

Here are your facts. Do you denie this, because it doesnt fit into your world view?

And Rome and Greece were not based on Egypt. Totally different cultures. Egypt was a centralized theorcracy where the individual was worthless and subject of the Pharaoh. While Greece and Rome praised the individual, freedom and open style of arts.

 

[The SC]

Historic facts contradicts your words. Thats not trolling. Its actually facts. There wa sno tolerance. It was extreme opression. There were countless massacres like the one against jews in 1066 in Granada. The christian majority got heavily opressed. Was not allowed to carry weapons and had to wear special clothes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/27/arts/was-the-islam-of-old-spain-truly-tolerant.html

"
But as many scholars have argued, this image is distorted. Even the Umayyad dynasty, begun by Abd al-Rahman in 756, was far from enlightened. Issues of succession were often settled by force. One ruler murdered two sons and two brothers. Uprisings in 805 and 818 in Córdoba were answered with mass executions and the destruction of one of the city's suburbs. Wars were accompanied by plunder, kidnappings and ransom. Córdoba itself was finally sacked by Muslim Berbers in 1013, its epochal library destroyed.

Andalusian governance was also based on a religious tribal model. Christians and Jews, who shared Islam's Abrahamic past, had the status of dhimmis -- alien minorities. They rose high but remained second-class citizens; one 11th-century legal text called them members of ''the devil's party.'' They were subject to special taxes and, often, dress codes. Violence also erupted, including a massacre of thousands of Jews in Grenada in 1066 and the forced exile of many Christians in 1126."

Here are your facts. Do you denie this, because it doesnt fit into your world view?

And Rome and Greece were not based on Egypt. Totally different cultures. Egypt was a centralized theorcracy where the individual was worthless and subject of the Pharaoh. While Greece and Rome praised the individual, freedom and open style of arts.

This thread concentrates on positive undeniable facts backed by pictures.. what you are providing might be facts or just old propaganda.. all we know is that history has been distorted in many parts of the planet.. Maybe you can talk about Roman and Greek mischiefs also.. but in another thread..Muslims brought civilisation to the dark ages of Europe.. no one can deny that.and Al-Andalus is a still living proof of it..

 

[ValerioAurelius]

This thread concentrates on positive undeniable facts backed by pictures.. what you are providing might be facts or just old propaganda.. all we know is that history has been distorted in many parts of the planet.. Maybe you can talk about Roman and Greek mischiefs also.. but in another thread..Muslims brought civilisation to the dark ages of Europe.. no one can deny that.and Al-Andalus is a still living proof of it..

Evry coin has two sides. The Hitlers Third Reich build great machines and the Autobahn but the picture is not complete without the Holocaust. What i provided are historic facts. You are free to prove me wrong.

You are good in history. Name me a christian general in Al-Andalus military. Should be an easy task. 90% of the population there was christian. So it should be a very high possibility that such a high office would also be for a christian?

 

[The SC]

Evry coin has two sides. The Hitlers Third Reich build great machines and the Autobahn but the picture is not complete without the Holocaust. What i provided are historic facts. You are free to prove me wrong.

You are good in history. Name me a christian general in Al-Andalus military. Should be an easy task. 90% of the population there was christian. So it should be a very high possibility that such a high office would also be for a christian?

Think about the ethnic cleansing of Middle Eastern Muslims, Christians and Jews alike during the crusades.. Muslims in Europe were by far much civilised..
Can you show us a Muslim general in a Christian army?

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Think about the ethnic cleansing of Middle Eastern Muslims, Christians and Jews alike during the crusades.. Muslims in Europe were by far much civilised..
Can you show us a Muslim general in a Christian army?

This topic is about Al andalus. 90% of the population was christian. You praise the muslim occupiers as so tolerant. So please name me a christian general from there.

Also tell me why the spaniards celebrated the reconquista?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Retarded and baseless trolling as usual on PDF. Destroying some of the few useful and interesting topics as usual. What is new in other words?

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