AK Party says ‘Turkish nation' will remain in constitution

[T-123456]

Actually half-Kurds are the most crazy. Even that Ocalan animal is half Kurdish. I don't know why this is but I think half-ethnicity people have identity issues and that is why there are so crazy. I think we need to reintroduce death-penality for such people.

Wth atatwolf?
We are no nazis,untill the 80s there was never a turkish kurdish devide.
We are interconnected,allmost evry turk has kurdish relatives so we should not try to cause devide like the PKK.
How does that make us better then the PKK?

 

[atatwolf]

Wth atatwolf?
We are no nazis,untill the 80s there was never a turkish kurdish devide.
We are interconnected,allmost evry turk has kurdish relatives so we should not try to cause devide like the PKK.
How does that make us better then the PKK?

Even US, Iran, China and other countries have death penalty.. how dare you call me nazi? You freak,choose your words carefully, don't act like a macho because you are on the internet

 

[T-123456]

Even US, Iran, China and other countries have death penalty.. how dare you call me nazi? You freak,choose your words carefully, don't act like a macho because you are on the internet

Easy there Numbnuts,i said we NOT nazis.
Lets see what you wrote;

I think we need to reintroduce death-penality for such people.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey...will-remain-constitution-2.html#ixzz2PttNeeoH
So you didnt say this?
If you cant talk like a human then shut up yarrakbasi!
And Surenas,what is your gain?

 

[revojam]

Explain.. please

Of course if your highness does desires to do so..

Just like many times said in this thread Turkishness was never about ethnic identity but cultural no perhaps political one.Every citizen of newly found republic considered Turk.Except some Kurds many muslim ethnicities throughout the falling empire successfully assimilated under collective identy thats way your idea of going after genetic purity is greatest threath to Turkishness itself.We are the children of people lived in the very center of Ottoman Empire throughout the centuries with countless different ethnicities.And exatly with which lineage you are planning to pursue your genetic purity dream?

 

[T-123456]

Just like many times said in this thread Turkishness was never about ethnic identity but cultural no perhaps political one.Every citizen of newly found republic considered Turk.Except some Kurds many muslim ethnicities throughout the falling empire assimilated under collective identy thats way idea of going after genetic purity is greatest threath to Turkishness itself.We are the children of people lived in the very center of Ottoman Empire throughout centuries with countless different ethnicities.And exatly with which lineage you are planning to pursue your genetic purity dream?

Probably with his Turkic states which are under Russian influence.

 

[revojam]

Probably with his Turkic states which are under Russian influence.

Idea of going after Turkic unity is the correct one , i suggest you to check their population and natural resources.

 

[T-123456]

Idea of going after Turkic unity is the correct one , i suggest you to check their population and natural resources.

You think its possible?
Explain how and when?
There is no way they will side with us,the Turkic unity is as real as the muslim unity.
Economic value could be possible but not more,not because of us but them.
The Russians will never allowe this,all the leaders of those countries are Russian puppets.

 

[Luffy 500]

Perhaps you misunderstood me, But Ethnicity never played a role, You are a Turk the moment you are a citizen of the Turkish republic, Wether your etnicity is Kurdish or Turkic, You are considered a fellow Turk which creates a bond of itself and was ment to stimulate brotherhood between People.

Isn't that ethnic supremacy? Would a muslim who abide by political Islam and fundamental Islamic principles accept this? With due respect, wasn't it ataturk and extreme kelamist who came up with this idea and caused the division between kurds and turks?

Rather won't a nationalism based on common religion, language and ethnicity be a much more stronger bond for turkish unity ? A kurd, a turk regardless of whether he is an islamist or secularist can pertain to Turkish nationality based on his/her beliefs. But forcing turkish ethnicity on others only gives predominance of turkish ethnicity and culture over others.

Another question, would U consider a muslim turk/kurd traitor/less turkish if he/she puts his/her religious identity over ethnic identity? Are U advocating exclusion of them from turkish national fabric.

 

[Targon]

Yeah, like ethnical problems are not enough lets put religious identity forward and turn the lives of those who are not part of that "Sunni Brotherhood" to hell.

 

[tyrant]

Actually half-Kurds are the most crazy. Even that Ocalan animal is half Kurdish. I don't know why this is but I think half-ethnicity people have identity issues and that is why there are so crazy. I think we need to reintroduce death-penality for such people.

@ Mods:
For God's sake apply age restrictions to PDF. "No teens" rule.

 

[mehmeTcc]

Isn't that ethnic supremacy? Would a muslim who abide by political Islam and fundamental Islamic principles accept this? With due respect, wasn't it ataturk and extreme kelamist who came up with this idea and caused the division between kurds and turks?

Rather won't a nationalism based on common religion, language and ethnicity be a much more stronger bond for turkish unity ? A kurd, a turk regardless of whether he is an islamist or secularist can pertain to Turkish nationality based on his/her beliefs. But forcing turkish ethnicity on others only gives predominance of turkish ethnicity and culture over others.

Another question, would U consider a muslim turk/kurd traitor/less turkish if he/she puts his/her religious identity over ethnic identity? Are U advocating exclusion of them from turkish national fabric.

Leaders of the Kurdish Movement are mainly atheists, so your plan to unite them under Islam would fail eventually.
@atatwolf i don't think you are worthy enough for an answer, sorry.

 

[Luffy 500]

Leaders of the Kurdish Movement are mainly atheists, so your plan to unite them under Islam would fail eventually.
@atatwolf i don't think you are worthy enough for an answer, sorry.

I know the kurdish insurgency is lead by secular atheist faction. But that doesn't mean all kurds are atheist , does it? I thinks that is one of the major reasons why kurdish insurgency will fail. Turkey could have easily sidelined these insurgents by bringing religion in. But it was a battle between secular kelamist and secular kurds leading to death of innocent muslims turks and kurds.

Btw would your constitution have a referendum? If so then U don't have anything to worry about, is it? It will pass only if U people want it to pass. Democracy.

 

[Persian Achaemenid Empire]

These Kurds are very smart and are outsmarting the Turks.

This ceasefire between Kurds and Turkey is only to make sure Turkey does get involved in Kurds in syria who are doing their best to make sure they create a "Kurdish" zone in syria. suppose they are successful, then they will pick up arms again against Turkey.

In the end, if they successful Kurds will try and create a civil war in Turkey.

 

[Luffy 500]

These Kurds are very smart and are outsmarting the Turks.

This ceasefire between Kurds and Turkey is only to make sure Turkey does get involved in Kurds in syria who are doing their best to make sure they create a "Kurdish" zone in syria. suppose they are successful, then they will pick up arms again against Turkey.

In the end, if they successful Kurds will try and create a civil war in Turkey.

Not gonna happen. A resurgent turkey won't allow such insurgent wet dream come true. Btw do U really want such a thing. DO U really know how many people will die in your hypothetical civil war?

 

[Persian Achaemenid Empire]

Not gonna happen. A resurgent turkey won't allow such insurgent wet dream come true. Btw do U really want such a thing. DO U really know how many people will die in your hypothetical civil war?

Did I say in my statement I want it to happen? can you show me where I said that?

My statement was about the Kurds move to try and establish their own state.
Kurds despite the Turkish propaganda do not see themselves as Turkish citizens. So many Kurds immigrate to Iran. This is due to the fact Kurds are genetically and culturally Iranic people but there are some kurds who look beyond that and still want their own state. This is fuelled by zionist-American to create another proxy in the region.